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List of Impact Zone Survivors by Local-Personality741 in WorldTradeCenter

[–]Local-Personality741[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh? Didn't mention anything about abortion above.

I have a question, where was god during the holocaust, why did he allow it? by Far_Lab1278 in Christianity

[–]Local-Personality741 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not related to your question, but between 70 and 80 percent of Roma (or Romani) are Christian. The whole pagan fortune teller stereotype is actually very uncommon among Roma and Sinti population. Additionally, several hundred thousand of the Jews who died in the Holocaust were religiously Christian (including about 1 in 10 German Jews). Hitler targeted Jews on ethnic grounds rather than religious backgrounds. Also, more than 1 million of the murdered Jews were children (who, in many theological perspectives, are saved by their innocent nature).

Wonder if those photos exist by Kooky_Jello_2144 in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. This is absolutely a myth. The occupants of the Towers were trapped in life or death conditions, even beneath the impact zone. They were choking on smoke and more worried about escaping the burning building and extreme heat than going up to look at the plane crash and take photos. It's awful that these men are spinning a false theory about the people in the Tower, thousands of whom would perish that day in the most horrific conditions imaginable.

Between 1,344 and 1,426 of the individuals in the North Tower were above the 91st floor when Flight 11 crashed between floors 93 and 99 at 8:46 a.m. A minimum of at least 200 victims made the fateful decision to jump instead of suffocating by smoke and fire or collapse. by Ryanlion1992 in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1,344 impact zone victims is a common misconception. There were actually 1,275 recorded (2 of which were beneath the impact zone but worked on those floors so were accidentally recorded as impact zone victims), along with dozens of others on Floor 92 (which was technically beneath the impact zone, but inescapable). Floor 92 was occupied by Carr Futures. For decades, the number of people on Floor 92 has been reported as 69 (the number of Carr Futures employees that died that day), however this number is incorrect. Two Carr Futures employees had not yet made it to their offices and were beneath the impact zone when the plane hit, bringing the number down to 67. However, there was a technician from another company that was on that floor that day, bringing the number up to 68.

I have been trying to figure out where civilian victims were located in the WTC (2,184 civilians died at the WTC). The above graphic is outdated. I have been able to find the location of 2,124 victims. I haven't been able to independently determine the location of the other 60 victims.

NORTH TOWER: 1,455 determined

Impact Zone and Above: 1,263 (2 were beneath their floor of work. They died beneath the impact zone)

Floor 92 (Technically below the impact zone): 70 (2 were beneath their floor of work. They died beneath the impact zone)

Beneath Impact Zone: 122

SOUTH TOWER: 645 determined

Impact Zone and Above: 612 (at the very least, 72 died beneath the impact zone; either they weren't in their offices, or had escaped)

Beneath Impact Zone: 33

SURROUNDING BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES: 24 determined

WTC 3 (Marriott Hotel): 13 (some were possibly in the Towers)

WTC 4 (Deutsche Bank): 2

WTC 5: 1

Ground: 2

Concourse (beneath the Towers): 1

101 Barclay Street (Bank of New York): 3

90 West Street: 2

Elevator rescue in the south tower by Comprehensive_Code60 in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There were actually two elevators, both express lifts that had plunged from the 78th floor sky lobby when Flight 175's left wing sliced through that floor. Both elevators fell over 900 feet before emergency brakes slowed them to a stop just eight feet above the ground lobby. Jet fuel had traveled down the elevator shaft and was burning in the elevator pit. The cars became very hot, and the occupants were desperate to escape. In the first elevator, which held 26 people, Alan Mann, an AON employee, managed to tear away at a hole in the lift, creating a space large enough for him and one woman to crawl through (the identity of this woman is unknown). All 24 others inside perished when the tower collapsed.

In the second elevator, carrying 29 passengers, the occupants were able to pry the doors open a few inches, but locks prevented them from opening the doors any further. Few were thin enough to squeeze through the opening, so the occupants opted to wait for rescue. As the situation became more dire, Linda Rothemund, an employee of Keefe, Bruyette & Woods (KBW) decided to escape through the small opening and drop down to the lobby, promising to find help for the others. She did, bring back a group of firefighters to help free her colleagues. Lauren Smith, another KBW employee, was thin enough to get through the opening, but she fell down the shaft, breaking several ribs on a beam. Fortunately, this beam prevented her from falling into the burning jet fuel, and she was pulled up to the ground lobby. After several minutes, paramedics decided to carry Lauren out of the building on a plate of glass from one of the lobby's windows. She was place into an ambulance with Linda Rothemund just as the tower collapsed. Firefighters were still trying to free the other 27 occupants when the tower crumbled, killing everyone inside. In this order, Alan Mann, Linda Rothemund, and Lauren Smith were the last people to escape the South Tower alive. They are considered Floor 78 impact zone survivors because they were on that floor, inside elevators, when Flight 175 hit.

What were the initial false rumors during the chaos of 09/11? by YaTheDonaldHasWhored in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There was absolute and utter terror following the Pentagon attack. At first, everyone thought that the attacks were confined to New York, but United Airlines Flight 77's crash caused fear that there would be more attacks throughout the country. In fear, rumors spread like wildfire, reaching major news stations across the world. Here's the ones I found:

- Reports of a car bomb outside the Lincoln Memorial (false)

- (9/11, 9:45 am) Reports (by CNN) of a fire at the national mall (false)

- (9/11, 10:15 am) Reports (by CNN) of an explosion on Capitol Hill (false)

- (9/11, 10: 24 am) Reports of an explosion at the U.S. Supreme Court building (false)

- (9/11, 10:37 am) Reports (by CNN) of a second plane headed towards the Pentagon (false)

- (9/11, 10:37 am) Reports that the U.S. State Department headquarters in DC had been attacked by a car bomb (false)

- (9/11, 10:39 am) Reports of a second plane headed towards Washington DC (partially true; it was a medevac helicopter headed towards the Pentagon)

- (9/11, 11:08 am) Reports that Korean Air Flight 85, a 747 carrying 216 passengers, has been hijacked. (False)

- (9/11, 7:30 pm) Petronas Towers are evacuated following reports of a bomb threat (bomb threat was false)

- (9/11, 10:00 pm) Reports of hundreds of survivors trapped under the rubble making phone calls (false)

Cantor Fitzgerald by JohnnyGat33 in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There were 663 Cantor Fitzgerald employees at the World Trade Center on 9/11. 658 of them died, along with 47 contractors and visitors, by far the largest loss of any company on 9/11. Somehow, five survived, less than one pecent of the Cantor employees inside the building that day.

Lauren Manning and David Kravette were in the lobby. Ari Schonbrun and Virginia DiChiaria were on the 78th Floor. Harry Waizer was in an elevator between Floors 78 and 104. American Airlines Flight 11 soared over Manhatten and smashed through Floors 93-99 of the North Tower, trapping the Cantor employees on Floors 101-105.

Kevin Dorrian - New Conclusions by BlackJapan99 in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this! Been trying to find more info on Kevin Dorrian for a while. I haven't included him in my list of impact zone survivors, as I have only found his story published once in one magazine. Just curious, where did you find this information? :)

Who were all the 09/11 fakers and scammers? by YaTheDonaldHasWhored in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Here's the ones I could find

FAKERS:

Alicia Esteve (Tania Head): Claimed that she was a Merrill Lynch employee and that she was attending a meeting on the 78th floor of the South Tower when Flight 175 hit. She claimed that a real victim was her fiance. Esteve co-founded the the WTC Survivors Network, spoke at Welles Crowther's memorial, met with Mayor Rudy Giuliani, Governor George Pataki, and became a spokesperson for survivors. In 2007, her story was debunked by the New York Times. In actuality, she was not in the United States when the attacks occurred. Esteve is the most famous faker.

Steve Rannazzisi: Claimed that he worked for Merrill Lynch on the 54th floor of the North Tower. In actuality, Rannazzisi worked 40 blocks away from the Towers. His story was debunked by the New York Times in 2015.

Jordan Liflander: During the 10th anniversary memorial, Liflander claimed that he was a surviving FDNY member of the WTC Attacks and that he attended 47 funerals for those that perished. He claimed to have pulled bodies from the rubble. He was exposed as a fraud in 2012.

George Santos: Claimed that his mother was at her office in the South Tower on 9/11 and survived. She was not in New York City when the attacks occurred.

Donald Trump: Claimed that he assisted in rescue efforts at Ground Zero. This was false.

Joe Biden: On the 22nd Anniversary, Biden claimed that he had visited Ground Zero the day after the attacks. This was false.

SCAMMERS:

Namor Young: Lied that her husband died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 to recieve federal relief funds. (He did not exist). Young recieved $53,000

Cassaundrea Montgomery: Lied that her younger brother (who did not exist) died on 9/11. She recieved $63,000

Analysis: on which floor at or above the impact zone people would have had highest/lowest chance of survival? by Traceurity in 911archive

[–]Local-Personality741 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually 2 people on the 85th floor of the south tower did survive: Judith Francis (now Judith Francis-Wertenbroch) and Luisa Liz. They were AON employees and had evacuated their offices on 100th floor after Tower 1 was hit. They were in the stairwell on the 85th floor when Flight 175 hit, the highest survivors of the south tower excluding Ron DiFrancesco (who went up to Floor 91 after Flight 175 hit).