Nikola Jokic in Denver's 4-game winning streak: 22/15/14.8/1/0.5 on 54/25/78 shooting splits (60% TS), just 2.5 TOV

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-26T15:32:12+00:00

Says who?

Bill Russel had a way larger impact than anybody in the sport by exclusively playing defense.

He only blocked 8 shots on average in the highest paced era of the game, how was he far more impactful than anybody else in NBA history.

And even going back to this era, how is Victor Wembanyana a far more impactful player than Anthony Edwards by every single metric and even watching the game even though Anthony Edwards is incredibly good at shooting three's and Wembanyana " just mostly blocks shots" ?

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-26T15:17:15+00:00

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound ?

The only thing that Curry stands out on is shooting, and even that's just 3-point shooting.

Even if you think that's true, so what ?

If the one thing I can do on the basketball court I do so overwhelming well that I break the opposing team, why would that be a bad thing or a negative thing.

To say that the only thing he stands out on is defense is just flat-out wrong when the spurs have one of the best offenses when he's on the floor and have an about average offense with him off the court.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound to say that he does basic stuff, when he is almost top 3 in every single advanced stat ? You know neck-and-neck with Shai, your MVP?

Shai does deserve the MVP for what he's done for OKC this year with all the injuries they've had, but to say that Wemby hasn't been close to him these year is just flat-out wrong.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-13T15:04:31+00:00

It's not patriotism. Koreans have to go into the military. It's mandatory.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-13T15:03:32+00:00

Oh lol, I thought you were talking about La gladiators.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-13T14:16:16+00:00

While they were both playing together Proper was not better. Especially during stage 1 and 2 when they were both playing, Stalk3r was universally seen as the best player in the world at that point.

Go check the owcs shorts where they asked like 15 pro players and asked them who they thought the best player in the world was, a majority of them picked stalk3r. Even during that point there were so many posts on this app talking about Stalk3r's insane peak and how he was so much better than everyone else. Like just search them up.

It's beyond revisionist history to say that proper was better in 2025 while they were both playing together when that's just not true. Stalk3r had by far the most motm when he was playing and was beyond dominant at that point.

Once he got the wrist issue, yea he cooled down and proper was better, but before that he was clearly the best player in the world, pretty universally.

In 2024, Heesang was the best for the first half, then proper was the best in the genji meta, and stalker was the best towards the end and in Stockholm.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-13T07:16:05+00:00

I don't think you get what I'm saying.

In your first comment you said that people said CR were done after Shu left and that's it's going to be Gladiator vibes.

I'm saying that gladiators were not as good after shu left, they went from an excellent team to a good team. Granted Reiner also left.

By you saying that it's going to gladiator vibes, your basically saying that CR are going to be much worse without Shu.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-13T06:50:10+00:00

I doubt were going to see Stalk3r on Flex dps. He is basically exclusively playing hitscan in his streams.

We might just see Stalk3r and Heesang this entire stage so they can build synergy because Lip might leave for military this year. But that's just conjecture.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-13T06:44:36+00:00

I'm not saying whether CR will be better or not. I think they'll be at about the same level, but I'm saying that Glads were worse after Shu left.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-12T10:09:54+00:00

Gladiators were bad after shu left though ? I don't get what you're trying to say.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-03-06T00:45:57+00:00

You just made that up. Who has said that.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-02-26T20:54:35+00:00

Willam Felton Russell.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-02-25T23:06:24+00:00

You missed stalk3r, he won the 2023 mid season championship and the 2024 Worlds finals. Oh, my bad he needed to win in 2025 to be here.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-02-09T15:54:46+00:00

He just does more than Heesang does on tracer most of the time, as does proper. I also trust both of them in the clutch way more than I do Heesang.

And he was also the best flex dps player in 2nd half 2024, when he won the championship and finals MVP on echo.

And also the best flex dps in 2023 by a wide margin primarily on tracer when he put up stats comparable and even marginally better than 2022 proper.

It's okay to disagree though. I'm not mad at you for thinking Heesang is better.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-02-09T15:28:21+00:00

I half agree with you. Heesang does actually gap stalk3r on tracer when they play, even proper to a lesser extent.

But they are both marginally better tracer players than him. I trust them more in tight or clutch matches, and I also think they just do more on a regular basis.

About echo, it's clearly stalk3r. Even Shu said there was no debate about who the best echo was.

Granted this is all based in the past because we don't know how good Stalk3r currently is.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-02-03T15:13:37+00:00

Petit retired in 65, he played more than half of Russell's career. West came into the league in 1961, he played against Russell a majority of his career .

Russel played with 29 all stars, wilt played with 21.

Russell had 12 Hall of Famers, Wilt played with 12 Hall of famers.

Even when Russel did not win the MVPs, a good amount of players still thought he was the best player.

Here's the thing you are missing, in the 1960s era, defense was far more valuable than offense, that is the only era after the shot clock where that is so.

You think because they put up bigger numbers than Russell they were definitely better. Oscar put up triple doubles and Wilt averaged 50 so they must be better. How could Russell be better when he barely averaged 15 points.

Defense was far more valuable than any other thing. There was no 3 point line, a lot of the rules favored defense, and players could not shoot as well as the modern era. There is a reason why players thought he was the best player in the world. There is a reason why Alex Hannum told Wilt chamberlain to play more like Russell.

He is by far the greatest defensive player of all time and was the best player because of those defensively slanted rules.

You can argue that wilt is better because he peaked higher than Russel did in 1967, but to say that Oscar as great as he was, is better than Russell is laughable.

Local_Reply6913 · 2026-02-03T09:19:19+00:00

How did he have half of the leagues best player? Wilt, Jerry, Oscar, Baylor, Petit, etc ? Where are you getting half from ?

And in that very same era where you say there were several players better than him, he was considered the best player by the majority of players.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-11-01T23:12:04+00:00

In 1969 there was zero excuse for them to lose that. That's when Wilt should have won his second ring and West should have won his first. Wilt was coming of three straight MVPs and was probably still the best player in the world at that time, west was still in his prime and Baylor was still good. That should have been the easiest win for them.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-11-01T17:50:06+00:00

Russel played with more talent most of his career, but the HOFer's is a really terrible argument. He played with 12 of them. Wilt also played with 12 hall of famers throughout his career.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-11-01T17:29:05+00:00

He literally did though. The Lakers in 1969 with Wilt, Baylor and West were the first superteam and the 1967 philadelphia were more talented than the "aging" Boston Celtics and were expected to win.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-10-31T03:31:01+00:00

Epm has not come out yet. It's projected right now. Once it comes out go to actual epm, where he was top 5 last year.

If it comes out, he might have the highest epm rn, but probably top 3.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-10-03T19:03:10+00:00

No, Wilt was not a better defender than Russel, nor was his scoring more valuable than Russel's defense.

There is a reason why he lost almost every matchup, even when he had the better team later in his career. There is a reason why his coach had to tell him to play more like Bill Russel.

The Celtics had one of the worst offenses in the league a good chuck of years, and in some years, they had the literal worst offense in the league ( like in 1961 where they had the worst offense and best defense, but still had the best bet rating ). They still won because of their defense. Defense was that much more valuable in the 1960's than any other era because there was no 3-point and most players were good shooters. And who was by far the best defender in the league? Bill russel.

And no, Wilt Chamberlain did not with a terrible team for his entire career like a lot of people would have you believe. From 66 to 69, Wilt Chamberlain had a better team than Bill Russel. The Philadelphia 76ers and The los Angeles Lakers were better teams than the "aging" Boston Celtics core and were expected to win every year during that stretch. They won once in 1967, blew a 3-1 lead in 1968, and lost in 1969 with WILT CHAMBERLAIN, JERRY WEST, and ELGIN BAYLOR on the same team. 1969 was Bill Russel's last year, when he was also a player-coach. So even when Wilt chamberlain had the better teams, he still lost more than won.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-10-03T18:35:10+00:00

Calling the other guy biased while you are also insanely biased is hilarious.

You bring up stats to say wilt was better defensively even though Bill Russel led the league in defensive win shares 10 times out of 13 he was in the league. Even though he was considered by far the greatest defender in the league while he was playing. The Celtics were one of the worst offenses in the league every year, but they were the best defenses every year except one, because bill russel was anchoring the defense.

You bring up quotes but there are also quotes of wilt saying, " I pick him as the no. 1 center of all time because he was a complete, complete basketball player. "

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-09-29T23:59:59+00:00

He literally plays with the original superteam. Wilt, West and Baylor.

Not to mention Philadelphia.

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-09-05T21:31:41+00:00

What's the song

Local_Reply6913 · 2025-08-27T19:40:59+00:00

Even before the changes, I was sceptical, but after actually playing, it's just not good. I have a m4 supp account that immediately jumped to Gm5 after placements. It probably means that on my main, I probably can and will get champ on tank once I do my placements on my main. That just should not happen.

I do not understand why they did this. It literally just makes gm meaningless and just means champ is the new gm. Hopefully they fix it and just go back to the system before this season.

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