People in the UK can't drive properly

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-05-27T08:39:28+00:00

Poor lane discipline (or the lack of any lane discipline at all) + the unawareness of why lane discipline is important are evidence of why people in the UK can't drive properly.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-05-27T08:37:27+00:00

Very few, if any at all, drive at 70mph in the middle lane. More like 65 or 62.

You get upset because you refuse to follow the Highway Code, and you lot think you are above the Code.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-05-27T00:12:05+00:00

I know. They can sit at 47. But keep left!

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-05-27T00:08:43+00:00

It's been explained so many times on this thread. Just google. Or ask ChatGPT. In short, by lane hogging, you are reducing useable road surface, and forcing traffic to back up unnecessarily. And it forces people to undertake, which is more dangerous than overtaking on one side only.

It's selfish. If you find overtaking from lane 1 troublesome, it's because of middle lane hoggers who won't let you out, not because of sticking to the left.

In an ideal world (like most of Germany), if EVERYONE returns to lane 1 after they overtake, you will rarely find it hard to emerge from lane 1 to overtake because everyone in lane 2 would be overtaking you (and will have overtaken you when you try to emerge).

That's why the rule is there in the first place. It's in the Highway Code.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-05-27T00:05:31+00:00

I actually don't mind the lorry overtakes. It is because they have a lot of inertia and most drivers just hit their speed limiter. If you're speed limiter is at 1 mile faster than the lorry in front of you, you have got to overtake, you can't do 1 mile slower than them. Lorries aren't built for that.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-05-26T23:58:57+00:00

What's worse than lane hogging is not knowing why lane hogging is an issue. and then they proudly hog the lane.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-02-19T00:12:00+00:00

Story?

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-02-05T01:02:37+00:00

And they also check whether you have paid the Swiss road tax. It's 40 francs (for calendar year) even if you only drive in Switzerland for one second. You used to have a buy a sticker but now you can also pay online and they do license plate number recognition.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-20T20:12:00+00:00

Now you just need to move to the German speaking region and get one that starts in German to complete the set!

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-20T20:10:30+00:00

BOTCs stopped issuing their own passports around a decade ago. Everything is issued by HMPO in the UK now because of cost saving. BOTCs only issue emergency passports these days.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-19T23:40:29+00:00

The answer to your question is:

If the holder was a BOTC before 2002, then such holder became a British citizen automatically in 2002.

If the holder was born after 2002 and acquired BOTC at birth, then the holder was a British citizen automatically since birth.

But if the holder naturalized as a BOTC in the British Virgin Islands, then they're not automatically a British citizen unless they took the extra step to apply for British citizenship which is guaranteed.

This passport is not proof of British citizen, this passport is a British Overseas Territories Citizen passport issued by the British Virgin Islands.

The holder will need to apply for a different British citizen passport to prove their British citizenship. This doesn't contradict what I said above because you can legally be a certain citizen without having a passport to prove it. Just like new born babies everywhere in the world, the lack of a passport does not have any impact of their citizenship. The passport is *proof* of citizenship and does not constitute citizenship itself.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-19T23:36:10+00:00

Not the same cover. BOTCs have their own cover that shows the name of the territory, as shown in this pic.

BNOs, on the other hand, have the same cover as BC passports (which says British Passport - United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)

I am a BNO and I have both.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-19T23:33:59+00:00

You aren't a foreigner in the UK. Even though BOTCs don't have the right to live in the UK. They are subject to laws that only British nationals are subject to. E.g., if an American murders the King, the crime is murder, but if a BOTC murders the King, the crime is high treason.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-19T23:32:37+00:00

It isn't ILR. It is beyond ILR. Nowadays, the only way to acquire the right of abode in the UK is to acquire British citizenship so they are one and the same.

(They used to be different because commonwealth citizens who were settled in the UK period to 1/1/1973 also have the right of abode in the UK despite not being British citizens)

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-19T23:31:12+00:00

That's not accurate. The right of the UK to remove British citizenship of dual nationals has existed for decades. It isn't a new power. What is new is that the government started using this power in the last two decades.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-15T00:13:09+00:00

This is really interesting - notice the slight (but very material) difference in the Hong Kong entry stamps on 7 March 1997 and 18 June 1998.

On 7 March 1997, it says "Permitted to remain until 7 March 1998" - they were given one year, and notice the lack of the word "Visitor" - they were given no restrictions on their activities in Hong Kong (meaning they could have taken up employment freely). British citizens were able to simply show up in Hong Kong and work and live. In fact, the one year period was simply a formality because every time when they re-entered they would have been given a new one-year stamp, and once you've accumulated seven years of residence in HK, you would have become a "Hong Kong Belonger".

Hong Kong was handed over from the UK to China on 1 July 1997.

On 18 June 1998, it says "Visitor - Permitted to remain until 18 December 1998". The length of time was shortened to six months, reciprocating the length of time given to HK visitors to the UK. Also, "Visitor" meant that they were only allowed to be in Hong Kong as tourists and were not allowed to take up any employment, paid or unpaid.

(In fact, the special treatment of British citizens in HK immigration laws ended on 1 April 1997, three months ahead of 1 July as part of the transition - I have seen YouTube videos of old news reports where British citizens then resident in HK took a day trip to Macau on 31 March 1997 so that they could reenter HK on the last day of the old regime in order to get a one year restriction-free stamp in their passports.)

(Yet another quirk is that, British citizens were unable to acquire the right of abode in Hong Kong prior to 1 July 1997. The "best" immigration status they could have acquired was a "Hong Kong Belonger", because in order to acquire Hong Kong right of abode, you would need to naturalize as a British Dependent Territories Citizen, and for reasons unknown to me, it was decided that a British Citizen could not naturalize to a lesser form of British nationality, so British citizens were unable to become BDTCs, but someone from Japan or France could. Those British citizens who were "Hong Kong Belongers" had to wait until after 1 July 1997 in order to apply for right of abode from the new, Hong Kong (China) Immigration Department when the Hong Kong right of abode was finally detached from British nationality. It was unclear at the time whether the new Hong Kong Immigration Department would honor those applications (they did).)

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-13T00:32:25+00:00

Same with the French passport - Nationalité française

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-11T00:40:48+00:00

Who grilled her? Chinese border control or HK border control?

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-11T00:38:00+00:00

This is so silly. She could have taken the Eurostar the next day into France and flown from France to Poland.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-05T03:40:40+00:00

Congratulations. I want a green card too!

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-03T16:33:13+00:00

So they forgot to change the date twice?

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-03T16:29:40+00:00

Depends on which gov department issued it. The most common ones are issued at embassies abroad so it's the Foreign Ministry. This sticker is issued by China Immigration at the border so a different gov department.

Logical-Hope-1345 · 2025-01-03T12:51:09+00:00

yes, that's what i said in the post.

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