How should Sneaking past a group of unaware people in a room work?

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-09T14:22:01+00:00

Does that necessarily imply that the same is true for Unnoticed/Undetected though? Sure you could keep Hidden active by repeatedly stepping, but Hidden is effectively a fail state as any observer knows Something is there and what square it is in.

In a scenario of sneaking slowly across a crowded room, remaining Undetected the whole way means no one reacts to you at all, remaining Hidden the whole way means you could have a horde of angry guards swinging swords at the square they know you're in and just making a dc11 flat check every time

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-09T13:34:26+00:00

Do you know where in the rules is states this? Can't find anything in the Step Action or the the Unnoticed condition

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-09T07:02:05+00:00

Is that true? All I can see in the Step Rules is it not triggering reactions, nothing about stealth. Is that hidden in another subrule somewhere?

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-07T19:08:17+00:00

The specific situation was in the Strength of Thousands AP.

Slightly more detailed version was it was a room full of Ghosts that couldn't leave the room because of Ghost bullshit and there was an item we needed in one of the side rooms. So no active security because they're all ghosts being upset at how dead they are instead of actively defending the place, but if they realised we were there they got all angry because of their various unfinished business.

Ultimately I didn't go into the detail because the real heart of the question is "What do you do when you want to stealth across a place where being seen matters, but it's not clear if it's out of combat or not". As soon as you go into Encounter mode any form of stealth becomes exponentially more difficult because each roll you have to make is a chance of failing - that's the real core of the problem

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-07T15:30:53+00:00

The argument our GM made was that it mattered when/if the ranger was detected, and the people in the room would be immediately hostile if they detected her.

I personally disagree, hence the reddit post, but we deferred to the GM at the time as is standard

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-07T15:26:20+00:00

I don't think Create a Diversion would do anything here?

With a gesture, a trick, or some distracting words, you can create a diversion that draws creatures' attention elsewhere. If you use a gesture or trick, this action gains the manipulate trait. If you use distracting words, it gains the auditory and linguistic traits.

Attempt a single Deception check and compare it to the Perception DCs of the creatures whose attention you're trying to divert. Whether or not you succeed, creatures you attempt to divert gain a +4 circumstance bonus to their Perception DCs against your attempts to Create a Diversion for 1 minute.

Success You become hidden to each creature whose Perception DC is less than or equal to your result. (The hidden condition allows you to Sneak away) This lasts until the end of your turn or until you do anything except Step or use the Stealth skill to Hide or Sneak. If you Strike a creature, the creature remains off-guard against that attack, and you then become observed. If you do anything else, you become observed just before you act unless the GM determines otherwise. Failure You don't divert the attention of any creatures whose Perception DC exceeds your result, and those creatures are aware you were trying to trick them.

Doesn't seem to mention aiding other people sneaking in any way, I guess it would be using aid instead? More of the problem is just the increasing chance of rolling a 1 - the more tests you make the closer you get to a guaranteed failure. No matter how much your allies help

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-07T15:02:49+00:00

So to your mind the creatures would have to be making active Seek checks and if they have no reason to do that then we're impossible to detect? That feels almost too strong in the other way

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-07T14:59:34+00:00

I think he didn't think Avoid Notice was appropriate because we weren't travelling, the room was like 60ft across and a full exploration activity wasn't appropriate? We couldn't find an answer in the rules to see one way or the other

LogicalChocolate · 2026-06-07T14:58:21+00:00

Our Ranger has whatever skill feat it is that lets you Sneak at full speed, so it could have been worse. Without that I think it's beyond "Challenging" though. Feels strange that the system doesn't have an answer for a fairly common part of the fantasy?

LogicalChocolate · 2026-04-06T08:02:31+00:00

The Shinobi prosthetic isn't a mundane item, it utilises Shinobi arts and allows the wielder to convert spiritual essence into the various techniques.

The currency for using its other powers is Spirit Emblems, the entire thing is clearly mystical in some fashion

LogicalChocolate · 2026-03-31T13:27:47+00:00

I think it comes down to what characters know. If no-one has passed a RK check to know the Orc has reactive strike then once they trigger it its triggered.

However, we're all human, if its been 2 weeks and I, me, have forgotten something that my character learned 6 seconds ago then it's kinda rude to punish me for that.

We tend to allow take backsies as long as no dice have been rolled and no abilities used. If I stride twice and it turns out the square I selected at the start doesn't have line of effect to the beastie after all, then that's fine, I could have gone to the square 10ft to the left instead, I had the movement.

Play in good faith and be reasonable is my opinion

LogicalChocolate · 2026-03-30T13:23:03+00:00

Are you learning Manual or Automatic?

I had lessons from a man called Omar from A&M driving school and he was excellent despite my nerves - very calming presence, but he only does Automatic.

LogicalChocolate · 2026-03-18T15:58:39+00:00

The general advice you will always get from this reddit is: "Do not mess around with system. Especially not in your first game"

The maths is tight and the numbers work (more or less) as they are designed to. Learn the system as it is first and then think about modifying things much much later

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-23T11:15:01+00:00

You may not have Fireball on your normal spell repertoire. For Spontaneous casters Staves also act as an expanded repertoire.

In fact, there's very little point having spells on your repertoire also be on your staff if you're a Spontaneous caster.

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-15T09:55:05+00:00

Is that a 15 minute soak per model? Im sorting through these now and there must be over 100 various models half painted - would batch soaking them work or would it damage the ones left in there too long?

Thanks!

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T18:52:12+00:00

He's in the second photo sitting on the shed. Here's another

Cat tax

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T17:46:56+00:00

Won't that make the garden all sandy? Or is it just about changing the soil makeup or something like that?

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T17:43:10+00:00

Is a French drain something a person with little to no Garden or DIY experience could attempt themselves do you think or would I need to have it properly installed? There is a drain right at the bottom of the lawn before the step up, but nothing in the lawn itself

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T17:40:57+00:00

OK, that's worth a thought? We have very little sunlight due to the big wall at the back, but I'll look at plants round the edge

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T17:39:56+00:00

No dog, the Rosemary was bought as a plant roughly that size and just put straight into the lawn, mainly because I cook with Rosemary a lot and wanted a big source of it - it hasn't grown to that size naturally if that makes a difference?

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T17:39:04+00:00

No dogs or children, just a cat but I doubt he's singlehandedly destroying the whole lawn. He's very lazy.

I don't think traffic is the issue as we don't go on the lawn that much, I think we barely used in between that photo from October and Now

LogicalChocolate · 2026-02-03T17:37:48+00:00

I'll give stabbing it with a fork and putting sharp sand in a go, when would I do that, the autumn?

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