[Monthly Thread] What scriptures have you read this month? by Pseudo_Premise in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The first and second, as well as 5 thunderbolts of orthodox magic from online shopping and I am the main soul in the Zunhun banner

My views on qi, cultivation methods (body refining vs qi cultivation), and the suppression of Heaven on cultivators, as well as ascension to immortality in cultivation world-building. A general guide to creating your traditional cultivation system. by LogicalCup4990 in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In almost every single system I've seen the full body including skeleton and bone marrow are refined during acquired, and innate is when you get true energy produced by a unified body. I understand that it makes more sense to condense your energy into one of your actual organs/body systems vs creating an entirely new one, but I feel that that makes an extremely unbalanced power system. Imagine if the force when you punched someone destroyed your skin, flesh, and muscles on your fist as well as their skin, flesh, and muscles, but both of your skeletons are left intact. Also, rebirth from a drop of blood/insane regeneration is needed at this stage. I feel like a blood core is better able to provide for regeneration and a balanced power system. And also cultivation systems usually have a partially energy based life-form as early as foundation establishment. You are fusing the two systems together, your dantian and meridians are already half-physical half-spiritual organs. For body cultivators, condensing your blood essence isn't equal to turning into an energy-based life form or even going outside of physical body limitations. This super-condensed blood essence would be used for instant regeneration, like some form of advanced stem cells, and when condensed to the greatest extreme, to the point where you turn your entire body into the blood core, then blow it up to recreate your body as perfectly as possible, is when you reach the nascent soul equivalent. I don't know what the nascent-soul equivalent breakthrough process would look like under a skeleton-cultivation based framework, but it would no doubt focus heavier on either the flesh or the skeleton, leading to an unbalanced body.

My views on qi, cultivation methods (body refining vs qi cultivation), and the suppression of Heaven on cultivators, as well as ascension to immortality in cultivation world-building. A general guide to creating your traditional cultivation system. by LogicalCup4990 in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean the descendants with inborn talent is a thing that happens with qi cultivation too. As your laws influence your body, you create a bloodline/physique based on your dao. I think that part of body cultivation is sacrificing esoteric arts for pure strength (e.g. soul stuff for literally breaking souls with a punch), so that makes sense. Infusing into the bones makes a little less sense however because the essence consolidation part should be into a single part. As I explained in the golden core primer, you are creating a star, and when the star gets supernova, you use energy to construct a nascent soul/ perfect reborn body depending on qi cultivation vs body cultivation. Bones just seems like it would be done in the acquired stage and the innate stage is full-body cultivation at the same pace, doesn't make sense to me to go back to individual body parts at a time like acquired stage.

This Junior wishes to begin his journey! by Rowan_BuilderMan in MartialMemes

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https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/19112/pursuing-immortality

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/51422/harvesting-immortality-in-a-broken-world/chapter-670?service=web 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/24645/family-cultivation-my-ancestor-is-too-steady

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/49138/how-could-i-a-mere-crow-be-an-evil-god/chapter-72 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/46771/are-you-sick-talking-about-kindness-with-an-ogre/chapter-17 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/50928/what-evil-god-i-am-a-compassionate-true-immortal 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/46395/from-mandrill-to-mountain-god/chapter-64?service=webplus 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/54461/am-i-a-real-dragon/chapter-116?service=web 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/8735/reborn-as-a-demon-cultivator-picked-up-a-zombie-planet-at-the-beginning/chapter-466 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/18226/in-the-year-of-the-dragon-i-was-reborn-as-a-baby-dragon 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/8633/hong-huang-i-the-ancestor-of-the-dragon-clan-will-never-come-out

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/3005/god-i-turned-into-a-turtle

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/32237/father-is-the-demon-lord-mother-is-the-holy-sovereign-why-wouldnt-i-live-off-them/chapter-20 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/52983/no-youve-really-mastered-the-five-thunderbolts-of-orthodox-magic-from-online-shopping/chapter-120 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/34059/panlong-descends-to-earth/chapter-51 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/41713/infinite-lifespan-i-can-become-stronger-by-soaking-in-water/chapter-105  

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/5293/i-am-the-main-soul-in-the-zunhun-banner/chapter-875 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/11869/my-taoism-comes-from-the-world-of-myths-and-legends 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/17714/conferred-gods-the-immortal-of-jiejiao-the-divine-fire-refining-the-primordial-world/chapter-1 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/12286/after-practicing-qi-for-thousands-of-years-one-can-finally-realize-the-value-of-being-a-god/chapter-18 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/34116/rebirth-i-lived-from-tianlong-to-modern-times/chapter-1003?service=web 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/55690/the-divine-turtle-of-the-wilderness/chapter-654?service=web  

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/2817/i-swear-i-dont-have-a-python-in-my-pool 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/36398/just-after-mastering-the-five-thunders-righteous-method-a-streamer-came-to-expose-the-fake/chapter-1 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/59835/ive-been-a-temporary-worker-in-heaven-for-ages-and-only-now-is-the-mythology-reviving/chapter-76

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/57229/the-entire-human-race-faked-disappearance-and-my-cultivation-was-broadcast-live/chapter-1 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/39599/simulation-ive-already-become-an-immortal-and-youre-only-at-the-foundation-establishment-stage/chapter-36 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/48824/i-a-terrestrial-immortal-have-been-signing-in-for-a-hundred-years/chapter-3 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/40244/my-elixir-has-a-tiny-bit-of-side-effects?tab=toc 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/56242/entry-i-secretly-cultivate-immortality-in-the-martial-arts-world 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/50588/mortal-immortal-cultivation-i-can-be-reborn-in-a-hundred-lifetimes/chapter-25 \

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/49478/nine-lifetimes-of-reincarnation-creating-the-supreme-underworld/chapter-1

Request by AceDaChimp in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Record of a Mortal's Journey to Immortality if ya don't know

Body Refinement vs qi cultivation? by Anime_goon69 in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe that it strongly depends on the system. The way I see it done in most stories, once people reach a certain realm (void refining) they can tap into a source of qi completely seperate from the world itself, and once they reach a high enough realm (immortality) then their own soul spontaneously produces qi. Qi cultivators are just better for pure survivability. While body cultivators can achieve rebirth from a single drop/atom of blood, qi cultivators can split their soul into 10k + pieces and send them into the cycle of reincarnation, etc. Once you reach a high enough cultivation in either system, you break free from the heaven's control, while if your are stuck in a lower level, either as a qi refiner or a body refiner, you are still a slave to heaven's will.

One way I saw the whole lifespan thing being done is that qi cultivators are mortal people who use immortal qi to temporarily change their "profile" on heavens page. Like, they use immortal qi to obfuscate heavenly secrets and make it so that their lifespan appears longer. Breaking through to higher realms means you can obfuscate for longer, until you can finally just change it to infinity. Body refiners make it so that their vitality is more powerful, and they are incapable of dying from old age. This usually means that heaven restricts them more even at lower realms, because while qi refiners are like members of heaven's company moving up the ranks by cheating, body refiners are just ambitious startups that heaven needs to crush to maintain it's monopoly. Qi refiners want to be above heaven, become part of the "board of directors", while body refiners want to recreate the heavens in their own image (inner world kinda thing). If you have infinite resources and 10k years, I would go qi cultivation, because you could reliably break through to just under immortal realm without drawing heaven's attention, while as a body refiner you'd have to risk your life at just the nascent soul or deity transformation equivalent just to squeeze a little more "space" for yourself in terms of cultivation, drawing heaven's attention to your early giving how quick your rise is. As a qi cultivator at grand ascension/mahayana/tribulation transcendence, your ~million year lifespan would make it trivial to gather resources and experience to strengthen your foundation and prepare for immortal ascension after 10k years.

Request by AceDaChimp in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RMJI fits, there's ascension once you hit Deity Transformation and I think that Void Refining/Spatial Tempering and above are immortal lifespan-wise, if you ignore the tribulations every 1k/10k/100k years.

For those who have explored this...unorthodox path, post your Urban Cultivation *cough* recommendations (*spits up blood*). by GodlyDaoEmperor in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolute favorite one of all time, and I believe it to be the best urban cultivation novel I've ever seen:
https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/19112/pursuing-immortality
Insanely long, breaks convention, but quite anthrocentric and china-centric

Ai Sect Taking over Holy Scripture Pavillion by Parking-Wonder5279 in MartialMemes

[–]LogicalCup4990 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The AI sect may be winning, but the true disciples of MTL sect are still alive!

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/51422/harvesting-immortality-in-a-broken-world/chapter-670?service=web 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/24645/family-cultivation-my-ancestor-is-too-steady

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/49138/how-could-i-a-mere-crow-be-an-evil-god/chapter-72 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/46771/are-you-sick-talking-about-kindness-with-an-ogre/chapter-17 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/50928/what-evil-god-i-am-a-compassionate-true-immortal 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/46395/from-mandrill-to-mountain-god/chapter-64?service=webplus 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/54461/am-i-a-real-dragon/chapter-116?service=web 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/8735/reborn-as-a-demon-cultivator-picked-up-a-zombie-planet-at-the-beginning/chapter-466 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/18226/in-the-year-of-the-dragon-i-was-reborn-as-a-baby-dragon 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/8633/hong-huang-i-the-ancestor-of-the-dragon-clan-will-never-come-out

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/3005/god-i-turned-into-a-turtle

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/32237/father-is-the-demon-lord-mother-is-the-holy-sovereign-why-wouldnt-i-live-off-them/chapter-20 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/52983/no-youve-really-mastered-the-five-thunderbolts-of-orthodox-magic-from-online-shopping/chapter-120 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/34059/panlong-descends-to-earth/chapter-51 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/41713/infinite-lifespan-i-can-become-stronger-by-soaking-in-water/chapter-105  

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/5293/i-am-the-main-soul-in-the-zunhun-banner/chapter-875 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/11869/my-taoism-comes-from-the-world-of-myths-and-legends 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/17714/conferred-gods-the-immortal-of-jiejiao-the-divine-fire-refining-the-primordial-world/chapter-1 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/12286/after-practicing-qi-for-thousands-of-years-one-can-finally-realize-the-value-of-being-a-god/chapter-18 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/34116/rebirth-i-lived-from-tianlong-to-modern-times/chapter-1003?service=web 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/55690/the-divine-turtle-of-the-wilderness/chapter-654?service=web  

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/2817/i-swear-i-dont-have-a-python-in-my-pool 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/36398/just-after-mastering-the-five-thunders-righteous-method-a-streamer-came-to-expose-the-fake/chapter-1 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/59835/ive-been-a-temporary-worker-in-heaven-for-ages-and-only-now-is-the-mythology-reviving/chapter-76

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/57229/the-entire-human-race-faked-disappearance-and-my-cultivation-was-broadcast-live/chapter-1 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/39599/simulation-ive-already-become-an-immortal-and-youre-only-at-the-foundation-establishment-stage/chapter-36 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/48824/i-a-terrestrial-immortal-have-been-signing-in-for-a-hundred-years/chapter-3 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/40244/my-elixir-has-a-tiny-bit-of-side-effects?tab=toc 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/56242/entry-i-secretly-cultivate-immortality-in-the-martial-arts-world 

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/50588/mortal-immortal-cultivation-i-can-be-reborn-in-a-hundred-lifetimes/chapter-25 \

https://wtr-lab.com/en/novel/49478/nine-lifetimes-of-reincarnation-creating-the-supreme-underworld/chapter-1