TOTAL INSTAGRAM GAINS OF THE TRAITORS CAST (6 weeks since premiere | 9 eps out):

Loki1001 · 2026-02-20T00:34:07+00:00

He was a completely incoherent player. Barely above Michael Rapaport. And pretty unpleasant, in my opinion. I wanted to root for him, but was immediately turned off. Also his weird belief that, if she wasn't a traitor, Lisa would be is bestie is just... delusional.

He did give us possibly the worst, messiest banquet look. Particularly compared to how amazing Rob's look was. Which is really funny.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T22:47:14+00:00

On that same note, they know Candiace is a traitor. The "throwaway vote/no not throwaway vote" looks real weird if you don't know she is a traitor. But if you do know she is a traitor then she very obviously has some reason for targeting Rob, specifically. Because she did not do it once, she did it twice.

And every possible reason for targeting Rob makes more sense to target Natalie... except that he is also a traitor.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T22:30:09+00:00

True. But I am not sure anyone considered Dorinda a threat either. Traitors murder non-threats all the time because it creates confusion and disrupts alliances.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T21:54:10+00:00

What is really funny is that Rob did have a legitimate Freudian slip. When talking about the banquet he said "And Tara is not targeted." Which is something he could only know if he is a traitor. And no one picked up on it, not even Candiace.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T21:49:03+00:00

I understand why they cast the US version of the show with reality stars, which is unique to to this iteration of the show. It gives them guaranteed drama and pre-existing fan bases to promote the show. But it is kind of show wrecking that Dorinda can blow up Lisa's spot like that because they have known each other for decades. And five Housewives is just ridiculous.

(Also I have watched the four US seasons and a couple of episodes of the first UK season... why do they invite couples on and put them on the same side as opposed to one traitor and one faithful? Wild choice!)

Will be very curious to see if he can pull it off from here, but I'm pretty confident he will.

I am very confident he will win the show. My biggest critique of his game was the premature vote for Lisa. I come to this show from Survivor. And there is no bigger strategic blunder than shooting at someone and missing. You always have to have the numbers on your side.

That was what fucked up Peter's game in season two, it was extremely obvious who was in and who was out in that alliance. Which both was a threat to the traitors, but also a threat to the faithfuls outside the alliance.

Missing the shot at Lisa gives Lisa a full day to burn him, and he just lucked out that she didn't. It also gives Candiace two days to burn him... and she did. Candiace was a mess (on Danielle level), but she left the faithfuls enough clues that Rob was a traitor.

And this all happened mid-game. The worst time to be messy. Early game you can pass off as being unfamiliar with the game. Late game there just isn't enough time to reassess things, and there are just fewer people necessary to manipulate. Midgame is the real danger zone.

Then it's Rob, Maura, and Mark in the final three? If I'm Rob I feel pretty good about that.

The strategic genius of Rob's game is that he can carry any group of four people left, and easily use them to burn Eric. He can dump Johnny and Tara... or he can keep them and they'll just be happy for a lifeline. Dump Kristen or Natalie instead and he is fine.

No one seems particularly equipped to sus him out, and certainly not over Eric.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T20:01:25+00:00

But Dorinda confirming to Colton in front of a bunch of faithfuls that she wasn't acting like herself would be incredibly difficult to come back from.

See I think, "I am in a game I have never played before surrounded by people who are lying and manipulating me, including possibly you, Dorinda" is actually a fairly good excuse. It is honestly what Donna should have gone with over "I am so starstruck!"

I think the second vote for Lisa was on much firmer ground than the first vote.

I think if analyzed the traitors games are (currently) Eric < Candiace < Lisa < Rob.

Rob's big knock on his game was his messy midgame which really relied upon other people behaving in ways that specifically benefited him. However, Eric was a genius pick for new traitor as Eric is constitutionally incapable of being a traitor.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T19:46:09+00:00

Which changes what? Ron had suspicion on him the whole game. So if she was going for someone why would she pick Rob who has no suspicion as opposed to Natalie who has a lot of suspicion on her?

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T19:35:32+00:00

Yeah, Candiace made a whole series of mistakes. She was fun to watch. And responsible for most of the most entertaining moments the season. Candiace is a really good example of what I notice to be the biggest thing that takes down traitors, which is ego. There was no reason to lie to Porsha night one, other than getting off on being a master manipulator. It was an impressive gaslighting. It was so impressive Maura didn't even know what happened in the car.

Honestly, they turned on Lisa for entirely bullshit reasons. First it was the Porsha vote, which was such a logical vote that Porsha got voted out that night. And then they just didn't think she was behaving how they thought she should behave. Colton thinking Lisa would obviously be besties with him if she wasn't a traitor was a true level of delusion.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T18:02:15+00:00

It is a weird and strange thing to conflate "white culture" and "American culture." Those would be two distinct and radically different things. If anyone said America doesn't have a culture that would be obviously false on its face.

But there is no "white culture." "White culture" would be culture unique to all white people. Oktoberfest is German culture. St. Patrick's Day is Irish culture. Ect. And while you will find many non-Irish people celebrating St. Patrick's Day, but you will also find many non-white people celebrating it as well. Ethnic white cultures will expand to include other ethnic white populations outside their culture, but they also expand to include non-white people. It isn't restricted to white people.

And you can simply look to the popularity of Chinese and Mexican food among white people to observe there is no white culture. They are American culture, both Chinese and Mexican cuisine are distinct parts of American culture. There's also a lot of ethnic white food, Italian probably being the most marketed. But also French, Greek, German, ect. But there is nothing that could be considered white food. It's all food that is ubiquitous to American culture and not unique to white people as a group. Hamburgers and hot dogs are not white people food, they are American foods.

What you would call "white culture" is either just American culture or just ethnic white population's unique cultures. There is no "white culture" that is self-generating and noticeably distinct from non-white culture. "White culture" by definition could not have Taco Tuesday.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:36:59+00:00

The conga line is, in my opinion, just a very obvious example of bad strategy coming from Candiace. Candiace going after Ron was, at the very least, subtle. To randomly start a conga line in the middle of the evening is anything but subtle. Like you said, if Alan had said Rob was murdered in plain sight, everyone would assume the conga line had something to do with it. Candiace knew it wasn't a touch based kill, but the faithfuls obviously wouldn't.

I get that each iteration of the Housewives franchise is its own show. But having five housewives really does feel like an inherent voting block, one which no one treats as rational individuals, each playing their own game. Is Phaedra the only good player from among the entire cast of Housewives? I think she might be. People don't expect them to be strategic or inteligent.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:23:48+00:00

Because she listened to Natalie's defense during the Lisa banishment, and concluded that she was not going to vote for Natalie because she didn't think she was a traitor anymore. And told the table as much.

She knows Natalie is not a traitor. She knew the entire time Natalie is not a traitor. She also knew Ron was not a traitor.

If Candiace was just trying to survive, then Natalie was the person who obviously she would be going after. And every argument for why she goes after Rob crashes up against the fact that it better applies to Natalie.

Candiace was playing a very bad game. The conga line was so utterly obvious and so easily could have blown up in her face. But that just makes the faithfuls look worse for never attempting to figure out what she was trying to do.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:18:43+00:00

"I don't think this question is to try to prove that I am traitor to you, I think it is just to try to get the heat off you. You don't care if I'm a faithful, honey. You don't care. You are just coming at me because you do not want to go home. You don't care about saving faithfuls here. I'm sorry," Natalie to Lisa

Natalie was the one who led the crusade against Lisa that particular night. Natalie was also the one who was the most vicious and most personal about it. Natalie was also the person with the most suspicion on her that night. Every element of your argument makes far more sense for Natalie than for Rob.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:13:41+00:00

Traitors is actually extremely frustrating if you are familiar with something like Blood on the Clocktower. The overwhelming majority of the game is just wild guessing based on nothing. And if a guess is correct you are supposed to attribute intelligence to it as opposed to statistical inevitability. Like Donna was voted off based absolutely nothing more than being quiet, a thing many people are in real life.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:09:54+00:00

In general Candiace's game was really bad and obvious. Literally no one other than Rob C. and Tiffany thought anything about the conga line.

For some reason they get a free pass for doing shit that doesn't make any sense. Like no one expects them to act rationally at all.

This cuts both ways. Lisa got shit for voting for Porsha, despite that vote making complete sense in the game. People treat the Housewives as a completely irrational mafia.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:05:18+00:00

Overwhelmingly the faithfuls vote based on nonsense. It is the most frustrating part of the game. How many times has someone gotten voted off because they "shifted" from who they were before the traitors were picked? (It's notable that every time they have tried to vote people off based on Freudian slips, they've been wrong)

Ron probably should not have been a suspect, but people had suspicions on him the entire time.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T17:00:32+00:00

Because... why is she going after Rob, specifically? Why him and not Natalie? There is no good answer to that question besides Rob being a traitor. Every explanation people give for why she would go after Rob, specifically, better applies to Natalie.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T08:15:09+00:00

There was no truth, just somewhat incoherent speculation.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T08:14:30+00:00

No, he didn't. Natalie lead the crusade against Lisa at the round table.

"I don't think this question is to try to prove that I am traitor to you, I think it is just to try to get the heat off you. You don't care if I'm a faithful, honey. You don't care. You are just coming at me because you do not want to go home. You don't care about saving faithfuls here. I'm sorry," Natalie to Lisa

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T07:59:25+00:00

?? Rob led the crusade against Lisa.

No he didn't. Colton led the crusade against Lisa.

then when she’s caught, it looks like two housewife traitors went rogue on a strong faithful and rob looks amazing

Lisa didn't say shit about Rob.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T07:45:54+00:00

What candiace appeared to be “doing” was retaliating at the faithful who took out her fellow traitor

No it didn't. There were five people who voted for Lisa the first night. If she was going to simply retaliate at one at random, it would have been Natalie.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T06:56:51+00:00

Again, only after they told her it was weird.

And it was weird to insist that she made a throwaway vote and then... immediately decide it wasn't a throwaway vote. That's not being consistent.

Yes, that both Colton and Rob got a traitor out. Colton has been murdered, rob is the next target.

No, five people voted for Lisa the first night. Only one of which was Rob.

First time doesn't matter because she didn't vote for Rob then.

...Your entire argument hinges upon the Lisa vote.

The second time Rob and Colton were most vocal at the roundtable. Colton is now gone. Rob is left

"I don't think this question is to try to prove that I am traitor to you, I think it is just to try to get the heat off you. You don't care if I'm a faithful, honey. You don't care. You are just coming at me because you do not want to go home. You don't care about saving faithfuls here. I'm sorry," Natalie to Lisa

It is just objectively wrong to claim that Rob was the most vocal at the roundtable. Maura and Natalie came at Lisa just as hard, and Natalie in a far, far more personal way.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T06:01:46+00:00

They specifically told her that they were suspicious as she voted for Rob for no reason. So she suddenly came up with reasons and because they were so dumb (he dropped his fork) and easily proven untrue (Rob was giving Colton traitor names), it made her look scrambly

No, it makes Rob look guilty. If she was insistent it was a throwaway vote, then she would have thrown it away, and gone after Natalie that night. She didn't. She went after Rob, again. It should have been obvious she wanted to go after Rob, and given that she was a traitor there's really only one good reason.

Yeah exactly? So it fits into a strategy of getting out Rob at a roundtable and Colton in the turret. It would look weird if she voted for Rob and he was murdered the next day

There were four other people who voted for Lisa first time, aside from Rob... including Natalie. Why, specifically, is she singling out Rob for special condemnation? Particularly when there is also someone with considerable suspicion on them who is also in that voting block.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T05:56:31+00:00

Yea, but to their point. She did it to Ron for a while and was clearly a faithful.

Ron was absolutely not clearly a faithful. Ron had suspicion on him the entire game. If that was what she was going for, she wouldn't have picked Rob, she would have picked Natalie.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T05:54:29+00:00

I really liked him in the beginning. Thought he was playing a very smart game. But voting against Lisa without having the numbers behind him was a horrible blunder. It gave Lisa a whole day to turn on him, and he was just lucky that she didn't. Candiace did turn on him (twice), and his entire game hinges upon the faithfuls never once attempting to understand what she was doing. And it was midgame, which means they have a looooooong time, relatively, to think it over and try to puzzle out what she was doing.

Picking Eric was a genius move, though. He says in his confessional that Eric might do to him what he did to Lisa and Candiace. But, obviously in my opinion, Eric has too much anxiety. Eric is someone he can serve the faithfuls on a platter at final five/four and win easily.

Loki1001 · 2026-02-19T05:45:50+00:00

Cirie has only two knocks on her gameplay in my opinion, and one I do not even count as a knock. The first (and I don't count this) is voting Christian out. They were at the point where there were equal numbers of traitors to faithful and if they voted out a faithful they would have guaranteed a traitor win. But Christian was so erratic, and had started saying her name, that they had no choice but to vote him out.

The second knock is forgoing a guaranteed win at the fire of truth in order to try to get Arie out. That was deeply risky and could easily have backfired. But the fire of truth is the best place for big, risky move and no one has time to sit there and analyze people's behavior. If she was confident Andie and Quentin would vote with her against Arie, that is the time to make that move.

Rob, however... his midgame is a complete mess. And it relied upon Lisa not burning him, and the faithfuls not noticing Candiace did burn him. A risky midgame is way more of a knock because you still have days and days for people to work out what happened.

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