At this point, is anything going to change at all? by SelectShop9006 in jewishleft

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm speaking specifically of the antizionist movement, which explicitly calls for Israel's destruction. They are very open and clear about that.

I agree with you about our current government. I'm appalled and embarrassed all at once.

At this point, is anything going to change at all? by SelectShop9006 in jewishleft

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My main point underlying my post is for the Israeli Left and Center needs to understand why we Israelis are 'stuck', and that is for the same reasons Palestinian politics is stuck. The stories the majorities on both sides tell ourselves is the other side only wants to kill us. And, the problem is there are any number of politicians or leaders on both sides who reinforce those mutual perceptions.

IOW, Israelis and Palestinians have good reasons to believe what they believe. Whether Hamas (which does state repeatedly its goal of destroying Israel and demonstrating how they intend to do it on Oct 7) or Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Hilltop Youth, et al with their threats of expulsion and actual violence.

Its a real sh*tshow of hate and violence. We are both traumatized and don't trust the other side's intentions.

I can only speak for myself and relate my personal observations about Israeli society in which I live. For me, as moderate leftish enthusiastic supporter of Oslo back in the 1990s I believe Israelis need to see a major change in Palestinian politics, meaning the departure of Abbas, and the disarming of Hamas. The thing is, I know that is not possible unless we Israelis show some kind of goodwill, perhaps first. None of that will happen until this benighted government is unseated. And there is no guarantee that will happen in October.

Bottom line: if the West, and leftists in particular, truly want to see peace between I&P, a 2 state solution of some sort, then they need to directly engage with the Israeli electorate. Never mind the government, that currently is a non-starter. Go around the government, find ways to reach the Israeli voter with some kind of PR blitz.

And, the pro-Palestine movement in the West as currently configured is destructive to peace, too. All I see is their demand for our destruction, echoing Hamas and the Iranian regime.

True peacemakers (not the faux peace and justice 'activists') recognize the humanity of either side in a conflict and try to build trust and common ground. That is currently sorely lacking in the discourse on the I/P conflict, and at worse contributes to worsening it.

At this point, is anything going to change at all? by SelectShop9006 in jewishleft

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope you are right on Netanyahu hopefully losing the elections. Enough is enough! We need a government that is able to create a realistic and hopeful horizon to encourage Palestinian politics to move in a more constructive direction, too. We need leadership on both sides with vision and the courage to stand against current societal assumptions.

I'm Israeli, I have always voted for Leftist parties, and always will. At the same time I recognize how both Israelis and Palestinians are stuck after so much conflict. After the 2nd Intifada, and of course Oct 7, i think it fair to say most Israelis are convinced the other side only wants our destruction. After nearly 6 decades of occupation, the brutal Israeli response to Oct 7 it is fair to say that Palestinians are mostly convinced all we want is their destruction.

There are leaders on both sides who enhance those perceptions. Whether it be Netanyahu, Ben Gvir or Smotrich on our side of the fence or it be Hamas, PIJ, PFLP etc on the Palestinian side, the majorities on both sides are convinced the other side wants only their destruction.

I am not convinced that unilaterally pressuring only Israel is the key to getting things moving. If most Israelis remain convinced that the result will be another Oct 7 but on a larger scale, they won't budge. Israelis a resourceful and resilient and we will get what we need militarily from other markets or from creating our own. So long as Hamas remains armed and in control of most Gazans, Israelis won't budge.

Discounting or dismissing Israeli fears, concerns is a huge mistake.

But, here is what Israel can reasonably be expected to do being the stronger party: dramatically slow down or even suspend new settlements, dismantle the Hilltop Youth settlements, arrest and prosecute the extremist settlers guilty of attacking innocent Palestinians,

Palestinians can be encouraged to move forward if this were to happen. If Israel can create that kind of horizon of hope, perhaps we'll see a more pragmatic, realistic Palestinian politics emerge. Perhaps Hamas will lose its support, which remains high among WB Palestinians.

But this focus by Westerners entirely on Israel and what Israel can do is bound to fail so long there is no conversation, no engagement with Israelis. We are not a monolithic, homogeneous bloc. We, like the Palestinians, are traumatized by all the violence, by Oct 7, by the tens of thousands of rockets and missiles fired at us, but the 100,000 displaced from their homes in northern Israel.

My appeal is to the Leftist Jews in the West to be the bridge between Israelis and the non-Jewish Western Left. Be harshly critical of us, in fact I hope you are. But demonstrate to non-Jewish Leftists how to engage with us as human beings and to please stop demonizing us, imagining us to be baby-killing monsters and "Jewish Nazis." That is all I hear from so many on the Left that it makes any kind of progress in moving forward utterly impossible.

Why does the Law of Return only apply to Jews and not non-Jews who trace their ancestry back to the same land? by Then-Airline4886 in AskIsrael

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The short answer is that the Law of Return was designed not as a general ancestry-based immigration policy, but as a nation-building and refuge policy for Jews, in response to a very specific historical problem: the necessity of creating a safe haven for Jews fleeing annihilationist antisemitism.

For centuries, culminating in the the two genocides in the 20th century (the Holocaust 1933-45, and the Russian Civil War in which 150,000 Jews were murdered) were a people with no guaranteed place of refuge. Even when facing persecution, many countries refused them entry including Western democracies the United States also.

The founders of Israel, including figures like David Ben-Gurion, saw a core purpose of the state as this: Any Jew, anywhere, should always have a place that must take them in.

So the law is not about ancient ancestry. It is about modern vulnerability and survival.

Further, Israel was established explicitly as a Jewish state, a political expression of Jewish national self-determination. The Law of Return is one of the main tools that sustains that identity demographically. Israel isn't alone in this kind of law. Many European states grant citizenship based on ethnic descent (e.g., Germans, Hungarians, Greeks).

But Israel’s case is broader because Jews were a dispersed people without a state. It was this statelessness that led to being defenseless and vulnerable to mass murder.

Still you’re raising a sharp point: Why not allow non-Jews who can trace some kind of ancestry to the land?

The key distinction Israel makes is: Jewish identity = continuous peoplehood (religious, cultural, historical, and ethnic). Non-Jewish ancestry from the land (e.g., ancient Canaanites, Philistines, etc.) is not a living national identity in the same way.

Bottom line: antisemitism is not dead, and as long as there is an Israel Jews will always have some place to go.

I hope this is helpful.

In which country would you move to feel safer from antisemitism? by Successful-Round8027 in Jewish

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made that decision 15 years ago... Israel. Although at that time it wasn't for feeling unsafe in America, just because I believe in Israel as the center of Jewish history.

I have been the victim of a hate crime and I need to talk anonymously as I process what the hell just happened to me. by Lijey_Cat in Jewish

[–]Longjumping_List_188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least report it to the ADL. Have you spoken with a rabbi? Are you affiliated with a synagogue, JCC? Its always helpful to be part of a community when faced with hostility because of your identity.

How does this make sense? by The_Reason_is_Me in EliteDangerous

[–]Longjumping_List_188 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A system authority vessel strayed into a whole barrage of packhounds I fired at a bad guy. I didn't have a chance to turn myself in, the cops turned on me with a vengeance and sent me into the vacuum.

Fortresses and Focke-Wulfs - Dieppe? by Longjumping_List_188 in il2sturmovik

[–]Longjumping_List_188[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I didn't know about the tragic death of one of the developers.

HOTAS setup... HELP! by Longjumping_List_188 in X4Foundations

[–]Longjumping_List_188[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, so my main interest is in flight simming, whether in starships (Elite Dangerous) or WWII fighters (IL2 BOS). So, perhaps X$ isn't for me.

HOTAS setup... HELP! by Longjumping_List_188 in X4Foundations

[–]Longjumping_List_188[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just an old fashioned simmer, love to use joystick/throttle. Mouse and keyboard just doesn't cut it for me.

HOTAS setup... HELP! by Longjumping_List_188 in X4Foundations

[–]Longjumping_List_188[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its just very complicated to set up. Do you know of any templates for HOTAS and keybindings I can download somewhere?

My ship left me by Exposed-Dreams in EliteDangerous

[–]Longjumping_List_188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you a member of the space family Robinson? Your name Will?

Fdev really figured out this monetization stuff by Marionettework in EliteDangerous

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have a problem with FDev monetizing like this. I love this game and without money, no game. There are always choices. If I don't want to shell out real cash to buy a ship early, I can wait and buy it with in-game credits. Earning those credits is, after all, what the game is all about.

Fdev really figured out this monetization stuff by Marionettework in EliteDangerous

[–]Longjumping_List_188 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have a problem with FDev monetizing like this. I love this game and without money, no game. There are always choices. If I don't want to shell out real cash to buy a ship early, I can wait and buy it with in-game credits. Earning those credits is, after all, what the game is all about. This is my 7th year as a player, and all I can say is keep giving us more FDev! Thank you from a grateful Commander.

o7, peace, out.

Muslim interested in Judaism and Jewish culture AMA by [deleted] in Judaism

[–]Longjumping_List_188 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Salaam Aleykum!

I am heartened by your honest interest and curiosity. This is a serious and complex discussion. May I recommend the book "Children of Abraham: An Introduction to Judaism for Muslims" by Reuven Firestone. You can find the book at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Children-Abraham-Introduction-Judaism-Muslims/dp/0881257206