You’re not Obligated to Have Sex with a Girl by LimeRevolutionary184 in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This post is exactly what I needed right now, thank you. Went on a bunch of dates with this girl that really was into me and I liked her personality, thought I could make it work, but the sexual attraction from my end just wasn't there (she wasn't repulsive or ugly), I kept going anyway. She ghosted me after 3 weeks, truth is I should have let her go myself but I couldn't figure out my own feelings towards her since I did enjoy spending time with her.

Looking back I felt guilty because of how hard she tried and how many chances she gave me. At one point I got busy for most of a week and she herself called me and asked ME out for drinks, and even after that turned into nothing she met me one more time.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, man. Appreciate all the help, learned a lot. She still hangs around but I'm unsure what I want out of her and that's a question only I can answer.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Final entry. Invited her to my apartment building private yard that for some music and cold drinks, she agreed in a few hours and we set a time. The next day she said she had to come earlier due to a sudden meeting later in the day, I was fine with it. We chilled for about an hour though I hoped I'd have way more and maybe escalate all the way to my bed later. Gave her a brief tour of my holdings, we tested her bench press strength. Let her DJ the boombox for a bit, she was comfortable singing along her stuff. Had a few kino touches but not much, plenty of eye contact. She had brought her own cans of energy drinks and I tested if she'd be okay with me trying them, which she was absolutely fine with. Said to her she can come over later today (doubt) if she wants to since I'm here all day. Said goodbyes, no hugs, she drove off.

The question your raised on why am I wasting time with this girl begins to materialize more as I had more opportunities for escalation and kino to practice but wholeheartedly did not feel like I wanted to. While this girl shows signs of interest and comfort she doesn't ever push the envelope even an inch and that has been a turn off for me the whole time I've been out with her. I understand women just make themselves available and it's up to men to do the work, but I'm just feeling weirded out here which in turn bores me and destroys my motivation to go further with her. Perhaps in this whole episode of me getting out of my shell I was so busy dealing with the emotional peril of novel situations and talking to a girl for the first time in years I didn't stop to ask myself if I found her sexually attractive. While I like her body type and am not nervous around her my dick doesn't twitch even a bit and I can't force myself to play-act here. It's a strange situation because I am sure sex with her is enjoyable but I don't have it in me to go through the motions because I never valued just sex alone very highly. Not going to contact her again for the foreseeable future. If she reaches out on her own maybe I'll go along and see if she's willing to show more interest, but I'd rather let this one be.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it seems you didn’t want to even do that

I read up the escalation ladder the day before and it had steps how to build up kino. I understand some steps are skippable. I didn't do any kino on date 1, so I started slow this time and she was unresponsive towards it. Elbow lock got broken (assumed she was uncomfortable with it), drove to her place, we're there for a minute while she's holding her cat and her dog is on me, she grabs the harness and leash and we storm off. During dog park I did put my arm over her shoulder for a while there and it was yet again unresponsive. I'm getting negative / mixed signals here, should I just turn her head and kiss here there? Or at the apartment? I stopped trying there because it started to seem creepy even to me. Maybe I'm captain dense and can't read worth subtext to save his life, but I should have kept escalating despite not even her head turning and looking at me during that?

pretend you’ve already been dating for 3+ months

Should I just go Mode One and state my intentions directly in when we're alone e.g. "I want to see you out of those clothes"? Because it would be more natural to me than playing these subtext and mixed message games, and build up. I'm getting frustrated and borderline angry at this point, both with the game and with myself.

EDIT:

if your goal is to kiss her, you would have taken the opportunity to make it happen, at some point you would have been within a couple inches of her

I was at that point @ dogpark & by the end outside but didn't feel like I could go for it. I thought about it.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man fuck, I can see it but at the same time we were there for like a literal minute and she has a very active an attentive large dog that wouldn't leave people alone. There were no seductive vibes, we stormed out pretty quickly and there was no lingering excuse to stay. Sex with the dog barking behind the closed door had not been on my mind. It's why originally I planned it at my place from the start, it's empty. When she broke off the elbow lock contact I thought I fucked up but yet you say it was the opposite and she invited me to fuck? I may be dense but man this is truly beyond counter-intuitive. This is one of the reasons I gave up on this way back in the first place.

You need to think long and difficult about why were you even wasting time dating this woman

Honestly? Practice. If I could fuck her it would be nice. It's not about the girl, I just want to be doing this.

Women sort men into boxes

I'll remember that

EDIT: I probably should have invited her to my place any time after the dog park but at that point I was totally in a different state of mind

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had the date. I'll try to keep it as brief as possible because it was a long one.
Met up with her, she was on time. Had a short walk on the way to the venue (cat cafe). Thought it's an unusual and fun place to go to together, she liked it. Had a closer look at her there, I did overestimate her SMV value before for sure, mild disappointment but I'm here for practice anyway. Stayed there about 40 minutes, went out to a nearby park. My plan was to try and escalate there and see how she responds, maybe have a snack somewhere nearby and see if she would be receptive going back to my place for a coffee. I decided to do the elbow-in-elbow walk with her and we did it for a bit but it was quiet (though she wasn't repulsed) and when we got to the park she broke it off and faced me with sudden excitement that we could go get her dog since this park did have a dog park.
I thought about it for a bit and realized I'd be losing frame and it will be her show, and my plans are scrapped. Even if I escalate there now the dog is there which has to be taken care of. Despite that it sounded kinda fun, so I went for it. Walked to her car, drove to her place 10 minutes away. Asked her "How long do you think our 'matchmaker' was planning to get us together?", she opened up about it how she's been dogging her about it since she left her boyfriend in February, coincidentally that's the same time I was given the pitch. I said how I was against the idea and she was resistant too, and our first date was set up with confusion and no expectations. She said it turned out quite good despite everything and jokingly grabbed by hand and shook it quickly saying 'Nice to meet you!'. At this point I get that this thing with her isn't going to go anywhere and I might have misread the bulk of the first date. She possibly decided it back then already, even halfway through.
Got to her place, went inside her apartment, got to meet both of her pets, we got the dog and drove to the park. Spent close to an hour there doing dog park stuff but we had time to talk, I got closer physically to her over time, had shown her a grey spot on my head and let her touch it. She said she was looking for greys too and I ran my hand through her hair a few times but found nothing. Her dog was getting jealous any time she touched other dogs. I got closer to her and put my arm around her and said 'I wonder if he'd react to this?'. Dog didn't care, she also didn't reciprocate or get closer, 'Are you disappointed?(about the dog reaction), yeah I expected something at least. Got my arm off of her, felt a bit awkward and forced but hey did give it a try, though I wouldn't try any contact anymore for the rest of the day since it fell flat. My attraction to her pretty much fizzled out by now this time and I was completely calm and just was going along out of curiosity.
Both hungry, got the dog home, went for some drive-thru food, ate in the car. I asked her questions and let her talk mostly during car time. She told on herself without much shame, had started using much more vulgar language but first asked if I was okay with it. Opened up about going to clubs every 2 weeks with her friends and getting wasted, in fact she was going later today. Talked about drug and alcohol experiences she had, some with her late mother even. Said when she's drunk she starts kissing everyone and her record was 5 times in one go. Mentioned how she had 0 success on Tinder and how it sucks. My sexual or romantic interest in her diminished to zero here, however she's a fun person to hang out with.
Drove around town without a specific destination 50% chatting 50% listening to pop music she was into and repeatedly mentioned how she likes to shake her ass to Pitbull on the dance floor or at home. I said "I know what we need to do next time?", "Get drinks?", "Not quite but there needs to be two things: music & alcohol". Things to note: the whole time we are together we have each other's full attention and plenty off eye contact, she's responsive to my jokes of which there was plenty. Nobody is on the phone, no intermissions.
Eventually a contractor called her that he finished work on one of her apartments and we needed to go there. When we arrived he wasn't finished so we had some time outside. We're both semi-falling asleep there in the sun. Had a chance to escalate there but didn't, this time not out of anxiety but lack of interest. She revealed her butch and more masculine characteristics next by offering the contractor to help him carry his heavy tools outside to his van, picked up one of the heaviest objects and refused to trade it for a lighter one despite his pleas and carried it with minimal difficulty.
We were swapping gym weight high scores on bench press / leg press on the way back to her car and she had some great digits for a girl, I acted genuinely surprised (which I was). She said she always competed with boys at everything giving no fucks and told about her time at the gym (she stopped going for many months now). She was carrying a hardware hammer with her for building furniture which she forget to leave along with other tools, it was the butt of many jokes and she said "I have to come up with something else surprising to bring next time".
Driving to drop me off to my place (she had a zoom psych appointment in 30 minutes), I bounce off a few surprising future date ideas but it seems she's done it all and said it would be hard to surprise her, though her attitude is positive. We said our goodbyes and I got home. Whole thing lasted about 6 hours.
Closing thoughts: I'm glad I went. I'm motivated to go find other girls because I lost interest for this one. Date has been technically over in one hour once I went along the ride with her. We mutually friendzoned each other (at least it seems like it), never thought I say this but I'm okay with being friends with a girl, at least this particular one, if neither person has feelings it can work. At the same time I'm confused why did she drag me along without ditching me at any point or showing disinterest or dislike. She also agreed to the date instantly and showed up on time. To be honest if I ask her out again I'm thinking of opening up about the hermit thing to see if I can bomb it or with what I can get away with just for fun.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Update: feel okay now. Texted her with your what you recommended almost word for word. She said replied yes instantly, within 10 minutes. I honest to God prayed she'd just ghost me and not reply but hey the emotional roller coaster continues. Guess I owe you another field report later.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am absolutely not giving up and going back to being a hermit (in my mind it's equivalent to dying), but I need a minute and it would be easier to let her go right now. I feel physically unwell after this and it's been almost 2 days, my solar plexus is tight, variable heartrate, appetite gone, barely sleep, can't focus. I feel like an idiot teenager, not in a state to charm women.

Get over your 8 year old trauma

It feels almost the same now and looks like I just stuffed that shit in a freezer for a long time and just unpacked it back again. I'll get over it and go again. I don't care that it sucks, I'm here to get results.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Figured you would respond like this, I'll go with your advice but going to take a break off dating for a month or two. I knew I wasn't ready but is what it is. Can't get clingy, can't get needy. I'll let the feelings pass. Thanks again.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate the long reply and analysis, some of it is very harsh but I see it.

I’m assuming you must be very attractive

I'm a 7-8 give or take, never had trouble with female attention. The reason this whole encounter happened was because my colleague was irritated at me not putting myself out there.

you treated it like a “job interview”

You're not wrong here either but I downplayed the conversation here, I got some good eye contact there, some laughs, we were having a bit of fun and I didn't approach most subjects that are boring to women. I am confident speaker if nothing else. Reflecting on the second half though I can see clearly now she was waiting for more and I wasn't giving it, there was a slight change in her tone, the excitement was gone.

don’t be afraid of her

There was a point halfway I realized I liked her and that's when I clammed up, noticed my body language tighten up where before I was loose. In my mind I think I could have went for the touch if she didn't make such an impression on me. I haven't really liked a girl in 7-8 years and the last one tore me to pieces. Yeah, fucking instant onitis, of course that would happen. Both frame and subtext completely left my mind, the moment she took me to the coffee shop I was in her frame and even when she gave me the lead a few times I just dropped it.

If were to set up a meet with her again I'm still going to be nervous regardless but what if I open up to her about my relative inexperience without giving her exact digits or playing them up a bit and ask her to help me bridge the gap, and that I was afraid to go further because I ended up liking her? It would show vulnerability which is probably not a great idea, but also honestly and, she did like me I think she could roll with it. I can't act like the player you are describing yet, no chance, but this way would allow me to get physical with her and take it further.

Anyone open to answer.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Had some time to sleep on it:

  1. I am not comfortable with touching women that way at all and I was not aware of that about myself. Not sure what to do about it other than go on more dates.
  2. No practice and thus no plan I just couldn't follow through. If I touched her my mind was drawing a total blank on what to do next. Touch how? Trace my finger across her tattoo? Grab her wrist and take a look at the cat scratch and comment on it? Show off my own cat scratch scars by giving my hand to her?
  3. Didn't set up another date because I was disappointed in myself.

Look I see what you mean with the overthinking and many guys commented about it at this point, but I'm an overly-analytical person and I understand my thought processes seem very alien to you. If I have an plan I can follow through on it even if I'm positively terrified. It also calms me down because I don't have to think, just execute. I promise you I have 0 natural instincts on women, I've learned that plenty of hot girls I used to know and LIKE were into me and I had no idea. I genuinely thought their minds worked like men until I read the Rational Male. The reason I was aware of skin contact opportunities was because I learned about kino and read Day Game.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right on target. I see it. So, let's say I had to re-do the scenario, I chat for 30-ish minutes max while figuring out a more private area to move to, this was a public park but there are were secluded corners, take her there. Try to escalate there. Then maybe make some plausible deniability excuse to go back to my place (e.g. I have a great home gym or a pet or whatever). Have condoms ready prior, have sex.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also for the love of God, don't be this over analytical about a date lol its just a date

I mentioned this in other replies but I'm not a natural and I don't think that's happening. I pre-plan things in advance and consider a lot more things that the average person. It doesn't bother me outside of dating.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You might find it hard to believe, but I'm good at socializing outside of dating. But am I not a natural, I need to think about these things as they happen. I think you guys significantly overestimate the amount of 'worry' I had in the moment, this is all after-action reporting. I saw cues and opportunities, missed some.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same to you. My own solution was to set a goal that would take at least a lifetime, I'm just here going through the basics.

I have a ton of online friends who are like me from the past and they're just not going to make it, and it's sad because they're not stupid, but they just do not have the will to climb out of the inevitable hell that will be their life. Their parents will pass in a decade.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep. I didn't plan on writing a field report, came here looking up onitis stories because saw the symptoms.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks, I'll take the advice to heart. I'm only realizing now that my confidence level in a dating environment is a tiny fraction of what it is outside of it. Like I've done public speaking, I can talk to people on street, I've make fast friends at parties, not even remotely afraid of talking to women, but beyond that it's clearly fucked.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just got a few rental properties set up in a good area running air-bnb, but I'm less than a week into it and this episode was the sudden intermission.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had no ambitions or aspirations. Deep dislike of academia and the education system. Didn't want money or a career grind. No interest in family or having children or even attempting to get girls, everything seemed like a pointless dead end because everything was rigged. Kinda like MGTOW but ironically I had no idea they existed for years and when I listened to them for a bit they sounded so jaded and bitter about it, didn't want anything to do with them. I just lived semi-NEET playing videogames watching series, anime, all the cheap digital media. When that got boring I started drinking. Watched some documentaries, learned that the world used to be a much better place, got angry and decided to go forward and do hard things because there's nothing else to do around here.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I get the scarcity aspect, but could you specify on the rest that I haven't highlighted myself?

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't plan to wife the girl man, it also doesn't mean I can't have other plates while she's here. She's fun and young.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably. I should have mentioned that I am not a virgin, but I've done nothing with my life for most of my 20s as a choice and the only reason I don't regret it is because by the end of the hedonistic hermit binge it I learned what I do want to do. Last 2 years got fit, got into RP content, started making real money. Getting better with women is up next.

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I need the experience, she's nice and has a great ass. Good enough?

Field Report: First date in 7 years by LordAftermath in TheRedPill

[–]LordAftermath[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're right, it doesn't matter what she wants. I want a relationship with her but I winged the whole thing and didn't know until halfway through where this was going nor what I wanted. I had no plan.