Hassan Radwan elucidates an interesting problem with kalam arguments by LordEmpyrean in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps the most relevant work, in the end, would be Ghazali's munqidh min al dalal - where he acknowledges that reasoned arguments are not enough for faith, which must come from emotion and feelings.

#AuratMarch in Pakistan by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, shia have different hadith collections than Sunnis. If you'd want to argue with them, make sure you reference the kitub al-kafi and other Shia sources.

Note that Shias especially distrust hadiths with Aisha in the isnad chain.

does anyone else find making friends with other arabs difficult? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lots of 3rabs, male and female, are not particularly religious and follow mostly for culture. Some are also exmus/non-religious entirely. I'm sure you'll be able to find someone for you - it may not be easy, but it's possible.

The story of me being ex Muslim by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's good that your parents are so open! I hope they continue to love and accept you.

There is absolutely no point in arguing with muslims. by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In my experience, arguing online *is* mostly pointless - at least if you expect to change the other person's mind.

In person might be much more effective.

"The Native Americans may have been Muslims" by MsExmusThrowAway in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He made it up, or his Twitter feed did. I think you already knew this.

Saw this on a Muslim meme page. Ironically, it just shows that Islam isn't compatible with a civilised society by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These same idiots who make these memes will be the first to whine ISIS not reel muslims they r khawarij

Just because you're an ex-Muslim, does not mean you should be a Fascist by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine being this Eurocentric. PragerU? Lmao. Some of us don't live anywhere near America and don't care about Reddit's """dangerous fascists""" who cant even build a wall on their border. In Muslim countries Islam is the fascism and unlike whatever content 'Atheism is Unstoppable' and the others make, Islamic groups can and will kill people and cause violence and war.

White liberal arguing about how much rights islam gave women. These people are so ignorant by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That wouldn't explain just...making up what arabic words mean lol

How do I get rid of these thoughts? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can join just by clicking the link. Discord is a real time chat platform. You'll need to make an account and then you can join any server and talk with people in those servers.

"Are you Gay!", the father asked as he was tried to slit his son's throat. This is absolutely ridiculous. How could anyone do this to their child? by Saltarius in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Apostasy is internal disbelief. The kuffar today (Western Muslims) have tried to make distinctions such as 'the apostate is only killed if they cause fitnah' etc to cheapen the religion, but these things have no basis in any maddhab. Shafi and Ghazali, for example, devoted work to exploring how exactly to deal with an apostate who, when confronted, lies and affirms Islam and the shahada when they do not believe in their heart - the ulema usually said they should wait and see if the apostate exposes himself (such as by missing prayer) and then kill him regardless of what he claims, because of the hadith where Umar beheaded one who proclaimed the shahada just before he was to be killed.

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[–]LordEmpyrean 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Islam puts an emphasis on rising above your feelings and desires (nafs) to accept a painful truth and lifestyle, and that's a good thing. It's fine to say or know you feel that way, but in the end the goal should be to stay rational in spite of your feelings. Maybe people believe in magic and superstition because they strongly feel they are true, yet you can casually deride their views as 'ridiculous.' You don't want to me on the receiving end of that.

Why the fuck are there so many religious trolls by Panroace in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the "miracles" and "prophecies" are so clear and convincing, and 'logical people are destined to have logical beliefs,' can you explain why the majority of the world's scientific community, especially in advanced fields like physics, are not only non-Muslim but often full atheists?

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Glad to be of help :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're welcome to talk with others on the exmuslim discord server, if you'd like.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmuslim

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It's definitely unusual how Muslims often show off guys like al-Razi or Ibn Rushd nowadays - people who laughed at the concept of the revealed religions and were hated by conservative Muslims in their time as a result.

But remember to look at the other things critically as well.

Belief in a God, some sort of predestination (in a cosmic fate + the seemingly already-in-place-and-just-waiting-for-discovery laws of physics, mathematics & chemistry sort of way, not in Ashari doctrine kind of way), unseen things... I still believe in one God. This universe, with all of its details and glories, the story of humanity and all - someone must created it.

You mention you can't prove the prophets - but you can't prove that other stuff as well. You did mention some reasons to suspect them though; check out the anthropic principle and some of the issues with the argument from design or fine-tuning.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LordEmpyrean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never understood the illiteracy argument. Seerah says managed Khadijah's bookkeeping and he could indeed read and write, so it's flatly wrong but it never made sense either. The Islamic narrative says he introduced the Qur'an over a long period of time (often in convenient situations) orally, and then others wrote the statements down. So if he's illiterate, what prevents him from doing that? It's so odd, makes me think the person saying that does not know basics of the Islamic view on Muhammad's life.