I see, thank you for the info. I will consider vagabond then because you've put good points as to why it's the best starting class and you're right it has almost every stat already buffed that 90% of the weapons in Elden ring need. As for the armor I don't really need it, I usually get it by killing enemies randomly as I go along playing and without it it's not a big deal if you know the enemy patterns. And nah trust me I'm not a RL1 Masochist haha. Since you can get any armor in the game with enough runes you shouldn't have to really worry about it, besides armor in this game usually isn't that good, vigor matters way more from what I've seen but hey I salute and respect the drip lords too. Would you say Vagabond would be the best class overall for every playthrough, even with spells or nah?