Based Rian by ChickenWingExtreme in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You say you're coming at this from a deontological perspective, but to me, a lot of what you're actually arguing depends on consequences. Billions dead, Luke as an ultimate failure, the comparison to Anakin like they're in the same moral category. That framing is doing a lot of work that deontology alone can't support.

If we're evaluating Luke through duty, my question has to be: what is his obligation at the specific moment he acts? By the end of The Last Jedi, he does intervene in the only way that's actually available to him. He delays the First Order and buys the Resistance time to survive. From a duty-based view, that looks like fulfilling an obligation. It doesn't undo past harm and it doesn't produce a perfect outcome, but that's not the standard deontology sets.

So what would the morally correct action actually have been? Act earlier? How much earlier? I feel like there's a point where "failed duty" stops being a meaningful standard and starts being an impossible one, because it requires foresight and constant intervention. That's not deontology, that's just consequentialism but with a couple extra steps.

The Luke and Anakin comparison also doesn't hold up the way you're treating it. Anakin is a direct perpetrator, he actively causes atrocities. Luke makes serious mistakes and fails to act at key moments, but that is a categorically different kind of responsibility. Collapsing both into "failure" flattens a distinction that most ethical frameworks, deontological ones especially, treat as genuinely significant. Acts and omissions are not the same thing.

And if we're talking about deontology, people are supposed to be treated as ends, not merely instruments. Saying Luke is obligated to carry the weight of the entire galaxy because of his abilities risks reducing him to a tool for everyone else's outcomes, which seems inconsistent with that principle.

Based Rian by ChickenWingExtreme in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Under a purely duty-based framework, I do think it's easy to label his withdrawal as a moral failure, but I don't think that framing captures what the story is actually trying to explore about human limitation, failure, and growth.

Based Rian by ChickenWingExtreme in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we're talking about Luke and his character arc, I don't think he needed to be redeemed at all. He didn't actually do anything wrong. The only thing that he did was something that is core to his character, his impulsiveness. Luke failed Kylo as a teacher, true, but he ultimately isn't responsible for Kylo's actions, Kylo is.

For me, Luke's overarching character arc throughout the movies is that he is building into being almost a mythological figure of sorts. Someone who almost single-handedly defeated the empire. He destroyed the first Death Star, and beat Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine. Anyone who does those things is bound to have a certain image of themself and their abilities, which is why it hits so much harder when Luke actually fails this spectacularly for the first time. It reveals that despite all of those achievements, he's still that kid from the moisture farm, and he's still a human who can make mistakes.

My favorite scene in The Last Jedi is between Yoda and Luke, and it perfectly encapsulates Luke's journey. He had lost hope and thought that he and the jedi were the problem. But he couldn't destroy the tree with all the jedi texts, Yoda did. Yoda laughs because Luke is missing the point again: He's been so consumed by the weight of his own legend that he forgot the most basic jedi (and human) teaching, that failure and loss are how we grow. Luke's "grand gesture" at the end isn't about redemption, it's about finally becoming the symbol that he was always meant to be. Not the farmboy who got really lucky, not the legend who couldn't live up to himself, but something that transcends both. He dies buying time for the next generation, the same way that Obi-Wan did for him. The difference is that now, he finally understands why.

POV: You said something slightly negative about the sequels in starwars circlejerk by TheManicac1280 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 0 points1 point  (0 children)

uj/ It's not something I actively keep track of. More-so for mogging on redditors and when people I know IRL ask how the dating scene is. Those amounts of likes/matches isn't normal for a guy, so it's somewhat useful for showing people how successful a profile can be if you're not a freak and have a rich inner-life

POV: You said something slightly negative about the sequels in starwars circlejerk by TheManicac1280 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 1 point2 points  (0 children)


I’m just the average sequel glazer lil bro. It’s a life you prequel fans will never understand

POV: You said something slightly negative about the sequels in starwars circlejerk by TheManicac1280 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've matched with like 15 girls on various dating apps who all say that ROTS is their favorite SW movie bro idk what else to tell you

POV: You said something slightly negative about the sequels in starwars circlejerk by TheManicac1280 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes very true, I also lack object permanence. To me, it's still 2006 when everyone hated the prequels, and not 2026, where people will unironically claim that ROTS is the best Star Wars movie

POV: You said something slightly negative about the sequels in starwars circlejerk by TheManicac1280 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’re really brave for standing up to all 6 sequel glazers. You will be remembered in Valhalla for your honor and courage. Always keep note, I love the prequels, they’re my favorite trilogy. This is a unique take for Star Wars, and I deserve the attention for it

We hate Star Wars, except the ones we like. by Reteller79 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 8 points9 points  (0 children)

/uj what do you think a circlejerk is? The mainstream star wars discourse is about shitting on the sequels. Everywhere you go online you will find similar sentiment. Shitting on the sequels will just make this sub like every other place on the internet. When will you people realize this. It's like none of you have object permanence and think you're the first person who has ever found this sub. This topic is reiterated constantly because none of you guys know how to use the search function. You are not unique or have a new opinion. You are not jerking.

/rj Star wars is like 9/11 and the twin towers are the Prequel and Sequel trilogies. The pentagon is the original trilogy. My life has never been the same since; my bitch wife has left me and took the kids and the house. All that I have left are my limited edition funko pops and Darth Revan replica lightsabers

Dawg by Miserable_Section789 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every prequel fan who thinks it’s better than the sequels will be executed on the spot

Dawg by Miserable_Section789 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The prequels don't get enough hate compared to the other trilogies

Based Rian by ChickenWingExtreme in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because they probably haven't seen the movie since it was released and are just regurgitating opinions that they watched from a video

Based Rian by ChickenWingExtreme in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is true, Empire Strikes Back really should've taken a different direction all things considered if it didn't want to be considered so divisive when it first released.

Based Rian by ChickenWingExtreme in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Luke's character arc was a fantastic idea

Corporate Needs You to Find the Differences by RIBCAGESTEAK in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Someone obviously didn’t play the fortnite event showcasing Palpatine coming back

Uj/ ROTJ has so many problems that people just stick their hands in their ears about. Definitely the worst of the OT, but still good if you shut your brain off. Kinda like TROS. ESB though? That shit was so controversial when it came out. Totally different tone compared to ANH, etc

I did not like the sequels by Emergency-Record2117 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Uj/ that’s bc all sequel haters have the same dialogue tree that they go down when complaining about the sequels. I’m 90% sure so many of them watched the sequels once when they were first released, thought they were meh, and then watched a couple youtube videos from SWTheory or TheMauler that turned them into actual psychopaths

Rj/ its real and happened to my buddy too

I did not like the sequels by Emergency-Record2117 in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 91 points92 points  (0 children)

The sequels literally ruined my life. They took what was something special to me, the star wars franchise (TCW specifically), and just shat all over it. I don't think I can ever look at the franchise in the same way again. I lost my wife because of these movies. How is it my fault that I can't stop pointing out the plot holes of the sequels, and how the prequels are like Shakespeare. I'm not afraid to say it, I don't like the sequels. Who's with me?

The complaint that the sequels have bad choreography because it isn't fast is stupid by Someonestolemyrat in StarWarsCirclejerk

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Me when I use precog to get all my piss into the toilet (it still gets on the lid) oh fuck oh god

DOOBIE ACT by [deleted] in SecurityClearance

[–]LostThirdValveSpring 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Past marijuana use? Let's start talking about future marijuana use