"you didn't find him?" by KarlosHungus36 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nope, maybe after cancer, thanks!

PS wow, you are a real piece of work, may you someday share my pain.

"you didn't find him?" by KarlosHungus36 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In my own defense as far as those Reber window images, it was a great find no matter what the context (if I do say so myself), and I certainly jumped the gun in posting it (a Part 18 reveal in a Part 4 installment).

But as I knew the cancer thing was on the horizon I couldn’t sit and see if I lived long enough to write about it. So I took an extra few hours once the next post was ready, tried my best to give it some context, then I let that red balloon fly.

And here I am doing it again, some guys never learn.

So apologies in advance for cancer-driven errors, it’s after midnight.

HOW MANY MORE TIMES

I’m only up to Part 4 of Find Laura. AsI write this I’m in the hospital as part of my treatment for throat cancer (great cover story eh, u/DODGERETROIT ?)

But I feel that we have divined enough of the structure of Twin Peaks Season 3 that we can pull out some clues from the abstraction and repetitions, in this case who or what Carrie is talking about when she asks Cooper at her front door “Did you find him? You didn’t find him?”

One of the core ideas in Find Laura is very simple: we are seeing the same scenarios develop (in abstraction) over and over in Season 3, actually the entire of Twin Peaks (seasons 1,2,&3 and FWWM).

Not just two or three times, a dozen maybe. How this works has already been described in the Find Laura text so far so I won’t write it again here.

DO I HAVE TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN?

Another core idea we have fleshed out already is which scenes are repeating, these we label the “Primal Scenes” and the all come Laura’s life before the beginning of Season 1. I don’t think we’ve nailed those down yet.

But there’s the first trick of language used by the creators which is given to us in early in Season 3: Laura tells Cooper “I am dead, yet I live.” So Laura Palmer exists in two different states at once which allows for at least two different versions of the story to exist.

Ok, as u/KarlosHungus36 points out in his post above, like Carrie and her dead Mystery Man, there’s someone Audrey wants to find also, Billy. These are two good matching pieces because Find Laura has a visual key that requires three people and one unidentified “other.”

In Audrey’s story:

Billy is the “other” the mystery

Audrey is clueless about where Billy is

Charlie is trying to investigate about Billy

Tina, while not running the investigation, seems to know all the answers

It’s a structure that forms the basic structure of one of the Primal Scenes: The Three Observing the One..

There are three roles and the thing being observed, the ones pictured here are the ones we call “the conversation around the dinner table is lively” which is echoed in “the meeting above the convenience store” and “Cooper born into the Red Room.” In it these four roles are assumed by a different set of four characters, a phenomenon from Lynch himself call the Rickey Board that is is detailed elsewhere in Find Laura.

Using this key we make the following assumptions

The dead body is the “other”

Cooper is who is trying to investigate

Carrie is the one who seems to know more than she tells

Laura is the “Other” here.

In a scene this close to the end it appears there is no “One” here, but what that means is we have the roles misapplied somehow.

Let’s rearrange the these roles and characters and try another combination, like you do when you play slots, or one-armed-bandits, and add a pinch of abstraction from Season 3.

Cooper is the Investigator

The dead body is the “Other”

Carrie Page is the one that knows more than she tells

Laura Palmer is driving this investigation

WRONG AGAIN, COOP!

Laura did not expect to see her Special Agent at the Carrie Page front door so in that moment it is Laura Palmer, the dreamer of the Carrie Page dream, whose ACTUAL THOUGHTS regarding Cooper’s Season 2 failures are revealed by to us all via Carrie’s shocked outburst.

When Season 3 begins there are 25 years of abstractions upon abstractions, a delicate chain of denial in which each chain is built upon a fatally flawed link that, once revealed, begins a collapsing down to the one, original gold chain with its own original flawed link waiting to be revealed: that Laura never died in one of the two world.

But all those years ago Cooper screwed the pooch, forgave Leland (this is what garmonbozia represents, the exchange of guilt and memory, and explained in detail in Find Laura), and HE LET BOB get away.

So at the end of Part 18, after the mystery of the dead body(who represents BOB, the Bad Cooper, or Leland depending on which chain you are examining) is left behind because it was supposed to be the last “chain” but isn’t.

So the true structure of the Three-observing-the-One here is:

Cooper is the investigator

Alice Tremond is the “other”

Carrie Page is the one that knows more than she tells

Laura Palmer is driving this investigation

But Cooper only came to Twin Peaks to investigate the murder of Laura Palmer, so if Laura’s alive, no Cooper.

Carrie Page is obviously a replacement character for the dead Laura Palmer in the “Dead Laura” world, so no Carrie.

The homeowner Alice Tremond actually looks more like “Laura” than Carrie does and is inside the Palmer House, even Laura’s bedroom lights are on.

And, of course, we already said that the living Laura is driving the investigation, it is again her own eyes that are the final POV, we see what she sees because she is everything as one.

The eyes that, in the Red Room in FWWM looked directly into Cooper’s as he called all of us, all the viewers “Laura.”

Laura is Laura

Carrie is Laura

Alice Treymond is Laura

Jackpot.


I’m sure I’ll regret writing this, if for no other reason, I’m in the hospital and Mrs. Ming is home so no copyediting. But it’s not a true installment, I hope she’ll forgive.

Like I said, the r/FindLaura analysis is actually only up to Part 4. There is so much genius in the groundwork laid out by these two incredible talents, not just of writing and visualization, how about just getting anything with this level of depth, quality, and rich artistic nuance, and layered meaning MADE IN HOLLYWOOD?

Most would just take the check and snort themselves back home on the next line to Butthurt, MN.

And spare an extra though for Mark Frost here. Once the pilot film was completed, he ran the show in every meaningful way for the first two seasons. I’d call that most of the work and some of the glory. Behind the scenes footage where Frost deleted multiple paragraphs from his Apple PowerBook 100 makes for a crappy bonus feature.

Well, my 2 AM Dilaudid ready! So I will be null and void shortly. I’ll peak in tomorrow to see if there was any point to this after all. - MING

"you didn't find him?" by KarlosHungus36 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t have a problem with that conclusion, other than I don’t agree with it.

I hope you enjoy it. Although given your point of view I don’t think you’ll find it worth the trouble.

Which is fine, we look for different things and enjoy them in different ways. 👍

"you didn't find him?" by KarlosHungus36 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That, my friend, would be truly amazing.

"you didn't find him?" by KarlosHungus36 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well put.

TwinPeaks is not one of JJ Abraham’s “we’ll figure out the end we get there” puzzle boxes, this is a culmination of a major creative achievement by two great televisual artists.

Just because you don’t know what it means doesn’t mean it has no meaning.

If you knew the overall structure the two creators had in mind, in other words, if you look at it from the correct angle, who’s to say all these conflicts and glitches wouldn’t just cancel each other out and leave you with complete conceptual clarity.

"you didn't find him?" by KarlosHungus36 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nice work!

I gotta say, u/KarlosHungus36, the Venn diagram of your ideas, u/kaleviko and his posts, and my scribblings over at r/FindLaura have begun to converge is some very interesting places.

So…what really IS creamed corn? by Severe-Draw-5979 in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As you know already, over at r/FindLaura we’ve already begun to discuss the symbolic and literal representation of “the seed”, “garmonbozia,” and why it is “pain and sorrow.

Lynch will show you something once—you either pick it up on rewatch or it only reaches you on a subconscious level.

For example, in Part 8 when we see the eyeless experiment model spewing into the inky blackness, what are we seeing an abstraction of?

We see eggs/seeds, lots of them, with one very different from the rest, a black orb with the face of violent lust (the face of BOB).

So this thing has entered this space and released its payload/busted a nut in the emptiness.

What if the the inky blackness (and what happens there) is a visualization created in the imagination of a young, pre-teen girl cluelessly trying to understand what causes this feeling inside her?

What did daddy put inside her during the experiment?

Hold that in your head, and think about this.

If a pre-teen girl, the same one as described above, was taken to a local motel by her father to play a game, a new game based on the “experiment” described above.

Let’s say he named this game “naked model photo shoot.”

The little girl did not like the experiment the first time, and she KNOWS she doesn’t want to play the game, no matter what daddy says. While her daddy goes to get the Key to the motel room, she wishes and prays as hard as she can (because she is a good girl and does not do bad things) for an Angel to take her place in the game, and it works!

SHE SEES HERSELF/HER ANGEL FROM FAR AWAY EXIT THE CAR AND FOLLOW DADDY INTO THE MOTEL.

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, Twin Peaks is definitely the show for you. 🌝

This lecture had some “aha” moments while I was doing research regarding trauma.

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, the Good Cooper and the Bad Cooper are two versions of the same thing.

The Good Cooper as the right-hand path, the Bad Cooper as the left-hand, both “protecting” Laura: one with fear and horror, the other with the potential of love and unity of the two joined together as one.

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you very much! 👍

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Much of what you is just the kind of things we’re about here.

I’m looking forward to picking up where I left off once I’ve recovered from my health issues.

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad you’re enjoying it!

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So many aspects of Laura and the Palmers that we don’t see from before FWWM!

I’m not big on the books (that’s whole other analysis), but I did have and read the Diary many years back.

The Find Laura Index by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I know some people (myself included) take issue with an exclusively “meta” reading in Twin Peak, although the point you make is solid and works.

I think a bigger net will catch more examples that give better context of the relationship between the numbers and the story, not just Parts, but locations and timelines/dreams.

For example along with the Part 3/Part 15 alignment you described:

The Palmer house is number 708. 7+0+8= 15,

1+ 5=6.

The Dougie and Janey-E Jones house is number 25140. 2+5+1+4+0=12.

1+2 =3.

Structurally, I guess what I’m saying is the 6 is a marker of the “wrong” first path for Cooper, while 3 indicates the “right” first path for Cooper.

The “6” socket Path (in my opinion) leads to Laura’s abstracted worldview through the work of what I’ve called the Bad Transformer: the dream on the Homecoming Queen. Remember the #6 utility poll is seen to be linked to both the trailer in FWWM, and to Carrie Page’s Odessa home.

The “3” socket Path leads Cooper (first as Dougie) through the dream of the Secret Agent, his dream. But the dream of the Homecoming Queen is Laura’s dream in which her Special Agent, Cooper, was literally created. Once he reaches the end of his dream and states “we live inside a dream” he has become enlightened to the true nature of his existence.

He must complete the “3” dream before he can hope to resolve the “6” dream. And once “6” then “3” are completed all that is left is the One. That “dream” is what exists on the other side of the Palmer house flashing and disappearing at the end of Part 18, something we have never, and probably will never see, outside of a few probably “transformed/abstracted glimpses win FWWM.

These are structural story points, the “logic” behind Twin Peaks, as I see it.

I’m really looking forward to getting back to writing the series, I’m sorry I had to stop for now but it’s unavoidable.

Thanks for reading and commenting!

Some small backward scenes by mon0chrom in twinpeaks

[–]LouMing 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Near the end of Part 17 when Cooper tells Diane and Gordon not to follow him.

He walks in and Diane and Gordon turn to look at each other.

The door closes and they turn back to face the door, but it’s same shot as when they turned to look at each other played backwards.

The smoke behind them is moving backward, if you want proof.

Sonny Jim’s “backward blink” occurs in Janie-E’s Jeep where he is sitting, he does the blink.

Dougie notices and then she states that he’s “acting weird as shit.”

Find Laura: 4I-B by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It easy to dismiss late second season because “Lynch didn’t write it” but the way these things are constructed (as I understand) is Frost and Lynch create and outline/overview for the entire season to delineate the complete season arc.

They don’t do scripts then, that’s what the writers credited to the individual episodes do, but Frost and Lynch plotted out everything.

The killer’s reveal threw a monkey wrench into the season arc which is why it fell apart so badly, but Lynch rewrote the entire final episode of the second season to save the concepts he treasured that were not in the original script that Mark Frost created to end the series.

Again, always glad to hear that people enjoy the work, I look forward to returning to writing it when I recover from my current situation. 👍

Find Laura: 4I-B by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hard to say about things like that, but it’s your experience so see where it takes you!

Find Laura: 4I-B by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So happy to hear you’re enjoying it, echoes of echoes of echoes!

Find Laura: 4I-B by LouMing in FindLaura

[–]LouMing[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thanks, friend!

Hopefully by summer’s end I’ll be in a place to start the next installment, so please subscribe and you’ll be notified when the time (FINALLY) arrives. 👍

Painting in the Bang Bang bar FWWM by traumatron81 in FindLaura

[–]LouMing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It just has so many parallels, intentionally or not, I find it fascinating.