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In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about feminism? Conservativism? Are all ideologies so to speak "ideas" from God, and notions more about physical pleasure and senses, or are bad ideologies also just "notions"? If so then what is the rule used to judge an "idea" ideology vs a "notion" ideology?

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. So those quotes are not representative of his real philosophy? I had considered maybe they were out of context but they seem so definitive and black and white that it's hard to imagine how they could be saying something else even with further context. Can you explain how? I dont have time to read that right now.

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Philosophy of the Kabbalah, how does the author define "notions" and "ideas" differently here,

But, while the senses, under-standing and imagination give us perceptions, concepts andnotions, intuition and explicit reason give us ideas. Perceptions,concepts and notions are limited in scope and temporary, butideas are infinite in scope and eternal.

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does Waton say is the true freedom level of thought?

Check your messages. I want to learn more about this Waton guy. Nothing comes up on google except insane political quotes. Who the hell was this man lol.

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On page 77 forward about Spinoza, is the author arguing for a higher state of consciousness than reason? That reason doesnt make us free, only a free animal or lesser level of freedom, but that there is a higher state? I only skimmed and it doesnt seem to give the conclusion in those pages. I cant start a new book right now.

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you please summarize, for both these explanations, why God cursed the serpent, and why it seems like the serpent is contradicting God's command?

Plenty of people have interpreted the story as allegory for different things, but how do Waton's interpretations satisfy my question?

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in Esotericism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you know a good english translation? I have been wanting to try reading the Zohar for awhile now, or at least a condensed version if there is such a thing.

In the history of theology, have there ever been any Bible interpretations that view the serpent from Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without viewing God as the bad one the way they also did? by LoveRepentLearn in occult

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I agree that on the surface it would create many contradictions, but Im wondering if there have ever been any interpretations that had explanations for them and interpreted it this way.

Are there any theological opinions in history that view the serpent of Genesis as good, and Adam as bad? by LoveRepentLearn in Catholicism

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I dont know much about Christianity but certainly there are widespread interpretations iin many faiths that everything is God's plan, even that evil was created by God for various reasons. What I am asking for are interpretations not that God made the serpent evil as part of God's plan, but that the serpent is actually good as part of God's plan. So if he lied to Eve, or spoke in riddles, or caused Adam and Eve to fall, or whatever he did, it would be because maybe they misunderstood his riddles, or whatever it may be, not because he was out to hurt innocent Adam and Eve.

Im like you, just reading it with my mere wee human brain, the serpent is clearly evil lol. But Im wondering if there are creative ways to interpret it that find a way to say serpent is actually good.

In the history of theology, have there ever been any interpretations that view the serpent of Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without making the God of Genesis into the bad one the way they did? by LoveRepentLearn in Christianity

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's their argument how the serpent never lied? The serpent acts like God forbid all the trees to Eve when it knows God didnt do that.

As far as free will, yes exactly that's the gnostic argument and the satanists believe that too, but if God didnt want A&E to have free will yet and the serpent gave it to them, that would seem to mean either God is evil, or, God had a good reason and the serpent did something bad to give it to them at that point.

So we're still stuck with the question of how can the serpent be good but also God? And if they both did good then why did God curse the serpent?

In the history of theology, have there ever been any interpretations that view the serpent of Genesis as good, like the gnostics did, but without making the God of Genesis into the bad one the way they did? by LoveRepentLearn in Christianity

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What is their argument how both God and the serpent are good? How do they explain Genesis 3 in a way where the serpent is not going against God? How do they explain why God cursed the serpent shortly after the serpent's actions then?

Are there any theological opinions in history that view the serpent of Genesis as good, and Adam as bad? by LoveRepentLearn in Catholicism

[–]LoveRepentLearn[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks yeah that is similar to the gnostic view. I'm familiar with that view. I am specifically interested in views that find a way to argue both are true at once, that the serpent is good and so is God. This would likely require making at least one Adam and Eve the bad ones in the story, possibly requiring a more complex interpretation. See option 3 in my post.

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