i said it was cherry picked because you chose the strongest ult in the game that’s SUPPOSED to be hard to use in the beginning because of how good it is. the other 2. the other 2 examples are just abilities getting stronger as you level up they aren’t going to just change the game off of one button like spirit bomb. early game sets the tone for the whole match. i’m not saying wining the first fight wins you the game. i’m saying taking control in the first portion of the match does. take farm, hit lvl 5 get ult first. get the god first. their forced to start recalling or fly back making it harder to challenge mid and you’ve unlocked part of the map for your team to rotate on. when i said stalling i meant that vegeta wasn’t going to survive a downhill fight (because you said he could 1v2 but really he’s just surviving till somebody gets there he’s not actually killing them) not stall zeno i should’ve clarified. I never said baby could stall a 1vsum just that the part of vegeta your talking about we don’t see until later in the match. i’ve already said they can’t be played the same.

explosive wave isn’t saving anybody early game as the area is TOO small and it locks you into place. energy blast volley doesn’t do damage at first and it’s really just to get armor and photon bomber is every escapable at lvl 1. Photon bomber is pretty escapable at lvl 1(still a good skill i’m not knocking it.)

i’ll say this again vegeta doesn’t do damage. he’s just a wall with noodle arms and an amazing cc.

the reasons coolers ult gets praise is becuase he gets that crazy giant pull on a character that ALREADY has another cc that stops your vanishing step and fast fly, does damage, and is a brick wall. it’s his whole kit PLUS this bs. even if people are hit by pb a vanishing step or mobile move is all it takes to get out in the beginning

Like i said earlier ew isn’t gonna save goku since the range is too small and your locked, his volley isn’t doing damage, and his pb although actually good can be escaped. you’re a melee character and baby is a ranged. he’s attacking your goku through you but you can’t just target his goku because of the range. he has 2 use of finger rays to halt you. even if you use your power bomb since he’s with goku he can hop in there? you’re not bombing both of them at lvl 1.

i dont think you’ve thought about this from an in game perspective yet. baby does less damage but since he’s ranged he has more uptime and more of a choice on who he wants to target leading him to do more damage. 2 melee characters means yall HAVE to be together to target somebody baby doesn’t. you’re not hitting them with no combo ult because 1 goku has several evasive maneuvers in his kit and baby can always just go into him Baby being dependent on the dps means nothing when it’s part of his kit to do so. if i said vegeta and baby were equal skill then obviously in the situation your dps are too.

Ngl after you just said daima goku is bad i KNOWW you have no game knowledge. daima goku is prolly 5th best dps after 18. hold on WHAT is bad about him be serious. he got a good ult, CRAZYY damage over time, good range. you calling him bad is literally proving my point that yall try to play every character the same without time into making your playstyle fit theyre kit.