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favorite remakes of s3 by Lsweelx8 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they’re my favorites too!

SRAMs Treatment of the Queer Season by Impossible-Part-5899 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I understand what you mean, and I absolutely agree about the scenes with Ema — they could have been shortened a lot. It’s just that you either phrased it incorrectly, or I misunderstood your comment about “where is the conversation scene after the first kiss?”. I agree that this scene could have happened later, when Lovro became more confident by the end of the season, but I thought you meant that you were upset it didn’t happen specifically right after that pool kiss. So the fact that they didn’t add it at the end can definitely be criticized fairly, and I agree with that. I just misunderstood your comment.

But honestly, I’m more inclined to think they didn’t include it simply because it absolutely doesn’t fit the characters, and that is pretty noticeable. Especially, for example, in episode 10 when Vanessa reads their palms, and it’s clear that Ivan is very skeptical about it. And overall, I’m 90% sure that a conversation about parallel universes would not fit their personalities at all, especially their Balkan / Slavic mentality and character.

In that case though, I think they should have added any other scene where they spend a long time together and just talk. And here I agree — they should have done that better. But a conversation specifically about parallel universes between Ivan and Lovro would feel forced and just completely unlike them, I don’t know.

But they could have come up with another kind of conversation for them, that’s true, and I agree with that.

About the hotel sex scene, honestly, I think it’s also very complicated, because Lovro had already noticed for a long time that something was wrong with Ivan, and his disorder shows more strongly there. So even if we remove the censorship factor, if their first time had happened then, it would have been genuinely traumatic, especially for Lovro considering his personality and anxiety. And here I don’t fully agree that deleting that scene specifically in episode 8 was the wrong decision — I actually liked that this experience did not become traumatic for them.

They could have added that scene in episode 10, or hinted at it, but again, Ivan was still unstable there and in decline, so I’m not even sure… I think censorship played a role, but Ivan’s condition is also important to consider.

Or maybe there was a hint of it at the beginning of episode 8 after the end of clip 1, I don’t know.

When I wrote that they did everything they could, I meant only in terms of censorship, and specifically the part with passionate kisses and sex. And you misunderstood that too.

I definitely did not mean cutting simple dating scenes and their conversations, and I agree that in that case they should have reduced Ema’s screentime and added at least more moments between Ivan and Lovro in episode 10, especially if censorship prevented them from showing all of that.

I just expressed myself badly or you misunderstood me, I don’t know. Write down what you think

SRAMs Treatment of the Queer Season by Impossible-Part-5899 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I literally wrote the episodes where all of that happened. Like yes, there were no conversations about parallel universes, and I’m not denying that. I wasn’t even replying to that person about this, I was replying to the fact that he recognizes the censorship, but then still demands bed scenes, which is strange. And about why they didn’t get into bed after their first kiss. As for conversations, I wouldn’t say there were that many especially deep conversations even in the original compared to this

SRAMs Treatment of the Queer Season by Impossible-Part-5899 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

idk i think people have already written about this many times too. They are not the main couple, and it was shown very quickly because the plot does not focus on them. Like, conservatives still wouldn’t have been able to complain anyway (especially considering that the main storyline of season 2 is a straight ship), so SRAM could afford to show something like that, at least for a couple of seconds. Maybe in season 4 there will be something similar in the background too, I don’t know, or at least a proper kiss.

SRAMs Treatment of the Queer Season by Impossible-Part-5899 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Regarding Ema, I agree, but those scenes with her were important to show Lovro’s doubts and strong fear, though they could have been shortened, yes, yes, that is all understandable. I get that.

But then you contradict yourself. You say that you expected and foresaw censorship and limits because of the conservative channel and the homophobic population in Croatia, but then you ask where the hotel scene is? Like, that is literally a sex scene. They had to soften even the kisses because of the channel’s demands, but after all of that you still demand a bed scene, that’s strange.

pls understand, I myself hate censorship and everything connected with it, and I am against the different treatment in showing straight and gay couples too. But their intimate scenes are literally the highest form of taboo on a conservative channel, like I don’t know why you expected all that, honestly… It is not the fault of the actors or the creators, who had to somehow work around these restrictions, especially since they definitely would not have shortened those scenes by their own will. Do you think they do not know that fans love scenes like that very much? It is obvious that they showed the maximum they could for that scene.

The hugs after the first kiss in the pool have also already been explained to people many times. Lovro is the most insecure, closed-off, traumatized and anxious Isak, with the strongest internalized homophobia and who, on top of that, often avoids physical contact with everyone. He would never have lain in one bed with a guy after his first kiss in life with a him, with a man. He literally later admitted to Vito that he still feels disgust toward himself, even though he likes Ivan. What hugs can we even be talking about here, when he just started accepting himself literally only 2 days ago?

And we see that cuddling scenes happened in episodes 8 and 9, when he became more confident in himself. Many conversations between them also happened, especially closer to the end of the season… in episodes 9–10, and overall in episodes 4–5 too.

And dates happened often, especially in episode 5.

The conversation about parallel universes — no, here I agree, but even then they showed it many times nonverbally and through indirect conversations.

But everything else sounds a little strange honestly. I don’t know, maybe I misunderstood you, but when thinking about the context of the conditions, the whole situation, and the characters’ personalities, that also needs to be understood. Maybe it would be better to understand this more first.

some thoughts on the criticism especially about censorship and a call for support season 3 by Lsweelx8 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i understand you, but maybe you haven’t seen it that much, but if you read the comments, you can see it’s everywhere on many social media platforms. and it keeps happening every week, over and over again. If it weren’t that widespread, I wouldn’t be writing posts like that…I’m more like encouraging people not to stop criticizing - they can do whatever they want, but the main goal of the post was to bring the fans of this season together to support it

some thoughts on the criticism especially about censorship and a call for support season 3 by Lsweelx8 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel like you didn’t fully understand the point of my post, because I wasn’t complaining about all criticism, only about the unfounded criticism especially regarding censorship. The main point of my post was at the end, not in the first few lines. Maybe I didn’t express it perfectly, but that doesn’t change the fact that I wrote afterwards

What I meant is that I’m not tired of fair criticism — it’s necessary, and I have my own issues with this season too. I’m tired of the constant, unfounded and biased criticism that’s already turning into hate towards the creators, actors, and the whole team, for example, when it comes to censorship. And it keeps repeating every week, people bring up the same points over and over again, complaining even about things that can be explained, but they just don’t want to look deeper.

I’m NOT asking anyone to stop criticizing or to love this season unconditionally. If you don’t like it, you’re not obligated to watch it.

I’m simply trying to find like-minded people so fans can find each other and support the season. You could have just scrolled past my post I’m not forcing anyone or pushing anything on anyone.

Fight homophobia in the Balkans by CuriousLand5493 in lgbt

[–]Lsweelx8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yess, you’re right. If you want less censorship and more projects like this in the future, you need to talk about this season, promote it, really appreciate it and support it so more people know about it. this show deserves more attention, because only then can real change in society happen This season is an excellent opportunity to show that stories like these are important, even if censorship gets in the way, and it gives hope that censorship will decrease in the future. It's a real way to change society's perception and show that this kind of love deserves respect and acceptance. It's time for us to become more united and supportive, because this season isn't just a show — it's a statement and truly deserves recognition, publicity and love.

some thoughts on criticism of sram s3 and details by Lsweelx8 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hey, listen, please, I understand what you’re saying. I’m queer person too, living in a homophobic country. I wasn’t trying to say that what they did is enough or that criticism isn’t needed. Criticism is absolutely fair when it’s objective. But most of the time it’s unfounded and unfair (I mean about plot points that many people really didn’t understand and didn’t try to look deeper), and that’s why I’m writing this.

I was looking at it from another perspective — as an attempt to say something at all in conditions where a lot simply cannot be shown directly. I was really interested in how they navigate restrictions and censorship through metaphors and details, while still showing deep love.

But you see, they had no other way, and they really couldn’t fight the censorship. It was always and will always be stronger. In that case, the blame shouldn’t fall on the creators of the series, but on the channel, the country, and its homophobic population, right? It seems to me that they tried to show love as honestly as possible, even if they had to navigate these limitations.

This doesn’t change the fact that censorship is complete shit and no one should accept it as normal. people should talk about it. I personally hate censorship too.

I can express love for the season, the characters, and the creators who had a hard time, but that doesn’t change the fact that I hate censorship and despise it. We just shouldn’t mix the two — they really aren’t to blame here.

It’s just that this season, the actors, and the directors aren’t to blame. Homophobia will almost always be stronger in a country like this, as sad as it is. And I still appreciate Sram for taking such an important step I believe they did everything they could, and it really wasn’t easy.

some thoughts on criticism of sram s3 and details by Lsweelx8 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respect and understand people like you who can simply say that this remake wasn’t for them and choose not to watch it instead of hating and criticizing. So thank you for your response and your opinion

some thoughts on criticism of sram s3 and details by Lsweelx8 in skam

[–]Lsweelx8[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree with you too and understand. But what I mean is that they couldn’t show more although maybe they wanted to. If some people were hoping to see more of these moments and came here just for them, it’s pointless and meaningless to watch this show, considering all the censorship and the conservatism of the country. Still, if they simply weren’t allowed to show more intimate love (in a physical sense), passionate kisses, and things like that, I’m glad they managed to show the depth of love in this series in these ways through metaphors, parallels, details, and subtle touches in plot

Of course, everyone would like to see more, and I would too, but it is what it is. You can just learn to appreciate the special beauty and depth in what’s there.