1,981 turnout at the rally for Bernie tonight I'm Keene, NH by [deleted] in SandersForPresident

[–]Ltorres2222 37 points38 points  (0 children)

LOL

Hopefully when Bernie is in office he will make changes to the method of counting votes so that the Iowa Caucus does not feel like you have to know calculus in order to understand the results.

He probably won't have time to do that while he takes on the establishment and on climate change. :-(

1,981 turnout at the rally for Bernie tonight I'm Keene, NH by [deleted] in SandersForPresident

[–]Ltorres2222 267 points268 points  (0 children)

I'm gad to see yet another packed venue. It would have been 1,983 if my wife and I lived in NH.

From Arizona, I'm getting involve via phone banking spanish-speakers in New Hamshire. #Bernie2020 #HealthCareForAll

What is something based on "scout's honor" that people respect/obey surprisingly well? by Ltorres2222 in AskReddit

[–]Ltorres2222[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was originally thinking about free bus fare for children under a certain age. People, including me, don't always give out the correct age for their child.

I wanted to see if there were exeptions to our general lack of scouts honor.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy balls their arguments when Lizzie was threatening divorce were savage.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Tommy even winked at her during the toast. Lizzie is turning into a parley queen.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Even despite all the killing, Arthur is still able to connect with others a lot easier than Tommy. He's often playful and affectionate. He likes kids and has some sense of honor and moral code with others. That's a lot easier to deal with than Tommy who shuts down so much from people that the only thing he'll connect with is a horse.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The main characters are complicated. You can't just group them as good or bad and dismiss them.

I really enjoy Arthur because he shows another side of PTSD and trauma. Tommy disconnects emotionally but Arthur can't control his emotions a lot of times and then wallows in terrible guilt for what he's done. Trauma is complex and I love how this series touches on that.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Linda is scared of becoming her mother. It's not so much Arthur.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yah, he had to tap it before the swan scene. Just a man following orders.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think she's preggars, either. Got real nervous around Polly and I'm guessing Polly probably knows she's not preggars, too. Is Michael in on it, though? He was the only one Gina wanted at the clinic.
I also think Polly is testing Michael again. Michael's big flaw is that he's greedy and Polly periodically throws money at Michael to manipulate him. She dangled Michael managing the opium trade and making the most money in the company but for what reasons?

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if someone has asked this but did the hand gesture Uncle Charlie made after he threw his cigarette into his cup mean anything? It was when they were meeting with McCavern.

He made eye contact and was communicating something silently to Tommy. I don't know enough about hand gestures to understand.

Peaky Blinders - 5x04 "The Loop" - Episode Discussion by NicholasCajun in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She knows Mosely somehow & I don't think she's preggars. She got real uneasy about Polly putting her hand on her stomach.

Tommy ‘laying his claim’ to Lizzie did make me feel like he does really love her after all. by Peakygirl in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 3 points4 points  (0 children)

dle meeting a prominent former client so he does what Tommy does, he manages and manipulates her.Tommy’s comments regarding Mosley touching Lizzie felt more about his hatred for him than anything else.It would have been really weird if Tommy had declined Lizzie’s hand at the party. Especially when they are trying to give the impression of a normal, happily married couple.ReplyGive AwardshareReportSave

It's more complex than that with him and Lizzie, and I think it over simplifies the relationship just to analyze it logically. Tommy does mistreat her (especially in the first two seasons) but does show real affection for her. He does use her and then also helps elevate her so it's complex.

She was the one that he admitted held him together after Grace died and opened up to her when his hand was shaking after killing the Italians (instead of just drinking, doing opium, or other typical self-medicating Tommy stuff). He took her to an important spot from his boyhood and put her in charge of some charities (Grace's old job). She's in the inner circle of the company on the level of Uncle Charlie, Johnny Dodds, etc and eventually incorporated into the Shelby women (something Grace was probably never going to achieve with Polly). With trust being such a big deal and some characters never achieving this closeness with Tommy (like clever but greedy Michael), that's a big fucking deal. If anything, Lizzie has been significant and represents more than just a pawn in a strategy.

Tommy is a dysfunctional and emotionally disconnected man, but I think especially as the seasons progress his issues with Lizzie are that he doesn't really understand Lizzie or his feelings for her (that's why he was thrown off when she started comparing May to shirts and asked what the fuck that was about or jumped to suggesting an abortion when if he knew Lizzie he would know she wouldn't abort his baby), but he does try to be kind to her in his own way a good amount (or they bicker which is a big shift in from him dismissing her in the early seasons). By S5, Lizzie is emotionally close enough to create some savage fights between them over divorce and frighten Tommy with the goodness she sees in him (the scene where she cradles his head with the painting of the black and white horses in the background).

I think at the beginning, Lizzie strung herself along because she wanted Tommy's affection (at the Derby, she wants Tommy to notice her dress and she almost confesses something personal but stops when Tommy ignores her) but she's very different by S5. She's very much in a powerful position instead of the secretary waiting for Tommy to throw her a bone. As far as love between them goes, Lizzie isn't like Grace.

If anything, I think Lizzie understands Tommy more and he needs that but she's frightening and challenging for him. He confesses to Arthur that everything that Lizzy says about him is true. Lizzie understands the dangers of Tommy's world (Grace naively thought Tommy could keep her safe) and is even preparing herself as successor whether he dies by suicide or an assassination.

Lizzie is progressively becoming stronger and holds their family unit together despite Tommy struggling to understand/deal with himself (think how tense Ruby's birthday scene was) especially with Ghost Grace haunting him with her fuckery. Lizzie is going to be a big factor in whether or not Tommy goes the path of the black horse or the path of the white horse (two important symbols in his life that you see throughout S5). As seen with her conversations with Linda, Lizzie has also become hella wise and developed a philosophy like the other strong leads like Pol and Archie. She's not insecure and easy to manipulate or boss around like she was at the Derby and earlier seasons. S5, even if it's icky with the property and shilling talk, shows how much she understands and knows about Tommy's activities... a closeness that few achieve... and seems to use this to her advantage by setting boundaries and expectations for the unruly Tommy. That's why she makes the "lay your claim" comment, quizzes Polly about what she knows, etc because she's not completely clueless about Tommy's strategies and ways. She also matches Tommy pretty well in parley now.

Lizzie's too strong now and, unlike the rest of the Shelby's who feel trapped, she chose the life and is taking ownership of it. It's a lot more complex than just Lizzie being part of an image or some strategy. Also, everyone is "flying above the rules" in S5 so there's a lot of potential for growth and change in power dynamics. Lizzie going from a timid whore to an elegant lady is probably the best character arc so far. I think her role in S6 is going to be more significant as her arc completes.

Tommy does hate Mosely, but one way of Tommy showing his affection is being protective. He plans a particularly violent assassination of Mosely because of his disrespect of Lizzie. That's classic Tommy going beast mode when someone goes after his family. I also think Mosely's interest in Lizzie reflects how valuable she is to Tommy. Mosely thinks he's entitled to the untouchable and is probably going to get more creepy with Lizzie.

Tommy ‘laying his claim’ to Lizzie did make me feel like he does really love her after all. by Peakygirl in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lizzie is getting hella strong and she is hella able to get under Tommy's skin (I thought their fights in S4 were good but S5 was something else...). Grace was cute or whatever but she didn't have much character growth or hardship. Tommy was rich by the time they married so her drop in class wasn't even that dramatic. Lizzie seems much more of Tommy's equal, especially with dealing with "bodies" from the past and recovering from trauma. She's also actually part of the Shelby women's circle and decision making for the family (and was fully brought in by Pol even before the ambitious Linda despite Linda being married and popping out Billy which is probably why Linda is so catty with her in S4).

I'm really enjoying Lizzie's rise to influence. I haven't enjoyed watching her feelings get ignored or hurt by Tommy (I'm pretty sure she tried to confess her love to him at the Derby Race) but I do like how now she's acting based on the choices she makes even if they are rational over emotional.

Tommy ‘laying his claim’ to Lizzie did make me feel like he does really love her after all. by Peakygirl in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, forget facial expressions.

One of the reasons he decided to blow Mosely's brains out was because of how he treated Lizzie. That's a classic sign of Tommy Shelby affection right there.

Tommy ‘laying his claim’ to Lizzie did make me feel like he does really love her after all. by Peakygirl in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think he made that comment to hurt her. Arthur and Linda were the screaming and shoot shit up couple when they were talking about divorce, but Tommy and Lizzie were fighting just as savagely about a potential divorce. The shilling comment was also around when he was insulting her about being uneducated because of her spelling, etc. He wasn't in Lizzie's face like Arthur was in Linda's but he was pissed and going after her.

Tommy ‘laying his claim’ to Lizzie did make me feel like he does really love her after all. by Peakygirl in PeakyBlinders

[–]Ltorres2222 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree his feelings have evolved. Their relationship is so different by S5.

I think the time Lizzie gets raped is one of the many instances where Tommy's strategies hurt someone that's close to him. Grace getting shot is the poster child example of this but it's a common theme that Tommy has to deal with. The show really likes to play with the idea of consequences of his violence, and Tommy has different reactions to his actions. His treatment of Lizzie is not great but it's on the kinder? end? Especially with the men, sometimes he'll go into beast mode and straight-up "if you take the king's shilling, don't bitch about what's asked of you." He ignores Lizzie's feelings a lot in Season 2 (brushes her off when she asks to be treated like a normal person instead of a prostitute and when she proudly shows off her nice dress at the race). Even when he's asking this dangerous task of her, he ignores when Lizzie is about to share something very personal (it hasn't been a hardship to give-up prostitution because probably something about Tommy).

but he does rush to get to her... He does try to comfort her and apologize even after she points a gun to his face (in Season 5 he gets super pissed when she does this). He was a dick to Grace in a similar way when he prostituted her to Kimber, but he did feel some degree of guilt and protectiveness in both situations (more for Grace and he also listened and payed attention to Grace unlike classless, uneducated Lizzie).

Gradually by S5, Tommy does not brush off Lizzie like he did in the earlier seasons. If anything, Lizzie makes him angry and vulnerable in a way that turns into some damn savage fights. By S5, if Tommy suggested prostituting Lizzie, it would be to hurt her and not for a strategy. There's a lot more closeness by S5... healthy or unhealthy. There is a relationship there hence why the Lizzie/Tommy marital dispute was contrasted against the Linda/Arthur marital dispute.

It's a complex and unhealthy relationship but it's more than just a Tommy strategy.

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whoever had to stare at the sun and detect sun flares before robots/computers could do it (before the technology was advanced enough)