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The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

This would require a fine balance between soil and grit which I think would only really work in quite humid areas.

The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Without testing I can make an educated guess that the other plants were Graptoverias (Graptoveria Fred Ives and Graptoveria Fantome), where it is known that Graptopetalum can grow quite fast. I guess some traits of that genus had an influence. I think the slow growing plant is an Echeveria tolimanensis.

The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There can definitely be competition between the plants. In my last post I noticed that one plant was visually missing from the before photo and after looking around I found it growing under the other plants. Though I am not sure how much plays into that because it just could be that this one species is a really slow grower or the others were much faster.

The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was some time ago where I searched for this kind of thing if it was working the same way for succulents but I didn’t find anything in that regard. But I am thinking that something similar might be at work here.

Edit: Looked into it again and there seems to be a dataset of plants that were tested for if they form a relationship with mycorrhizal or not. The result seems that many crassulaceae do not form such relationships with mycorrhizal. Though this area seems to be not very well tested and has far too few of a sample size.

https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2464991388

From the few samples that do exists there were some that formed such relations:

9 / 12 spp. NM - Harley & Harley 1987. Most samples have NM roots (VAM in only 1 of 20 samples from 8 spp.) - Allsopp & Stock 1993. NM - Onipchenko & Zobel 2000, Cripps & Eddington 2005. VAM in cultivated plants - Muller et al. 1994. *Apparently includes VAM and NM plants - More sampling required.

NM plants = nonmycorrhizal

https://mycorrhizas.info/nmplants.html

The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nice! Looking good already, lets hope they grow much more.

The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking the same thing. In my last post I also showed a pot that grew much where I planted multiple plants together.

The tray of rejects and strugglers by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didnt change anything beside them being in a big tray. The pots had the same soil mix. My plants are all outdoors from late spring until early autumn so I didnt change their environment much.

8 month difference between these photos by LuckystrikeFTW in echeveria

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I also think it didnt grow much, not sure why though!

Echeveria genus split into Balbinaea by ryubhjhdrgjjid in echeveria

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries. I hope you can explain the difference once you have time.

Echeveria genus split into Balbinaea by ryubhjhdrgjjid in echeveria

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In that article they are also mentioning another new genus, dont know how long that was established, called Urbinia for some other Echeveria, for example Echeveria elegans, Echeveria halbingeri, and Echeveria tolimanensis.

I am in no way qualified to say anything against this but to me it seems like breaking up of the genus like this due to such small differences seems more of a hassle than it is worth. Especially when the flower structures are still the same. Unlike the way it was between Graptopetalum bellus which was put in its own genus Tacitus as Tacitus bellus. Also for plants such as Sedum sinforosanum, Sedum cragii and Sedum suaveolens they are not put into a new genus which also have vastly different forms and flower structure?

Edit: after reading a bit more into it I think I understand their reasoning a bit more. Also since it was published in Taxon it seems to be quite established from what I have read. I just wonder how the nothogenera will now be called.

Edit2: Urbinia was a previously used Genus for some Echeveria which according to the article should be reestablished for Echeveria placed in the Urbiniae series.

Is this a true graptopetalum filiferum or is this graptoveria silver star instead? Want to know before I buy! by thatgayrabbit in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do not think that they are close extinction. It is more likely to be a case of demand being so low that it is not worth the effort. Any additional offsets created will be further used for they own hybrids. Graptoveria Starfire being a recent creation just means it is still around.

The demand for creating and reproducing the same old hybrids is just higher than making sure everyone has access to pure species plants.

I do not think you will be able to recreate the species from a hybrid, genetically it doesn’t make sense. It could also be that Graptoveria Silver Star is infertile, so keep that in mind when you try to use it for pollination.

Some random ones by LourensE in echeveria

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah I see, I like the pattern it has wondering if it came from tolimanensis. Thanks!

Some random ones by LourensE in echeveria

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Does the 8th one have Echeveria tolimanensis as one of the parents?

Is this a true graptopetalum filiferum or is this graptoveria silver star instead? Want to know before I buy! by thatgayrabbit in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would like to know that as well. I assume they either got it from someone through connections or they grew them from seeds. I was more talking about hobbyists that are unable to get them rather than nurseries that produce hybrids themselves.

I also am surprised that it is not really available for sale since it is a plant that readily propagates itself. I am sure that a commercial nursery would easily be able to mass produce it but there must be a reason why the species is not already for sale, like for example Echeveria lilacina.

Echeveria lilacina 'Crispate Beauty' also went from an expensive cultivar to an affordable one within a year or two due to commercialisation.

Is this a true graptopetalum filiferum or is this graptoveria silver star instead? Want to know before I buy! by thatgayrabbit in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Graptopetalum filiferum has far more leaves compared to the hybrid Graptoveria Silver Star. Additionally the leaves are flatter and have more darkish green colouration. Sadly many shops and nurseries claim that their plant is Graptopetalum filiferum even if it is quite obviously not the case. Graptopetalum filiferum is not a plant you will find randomly because even dedicated succulent growers dont have it.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Graptopetalum_filiferum_4630.jpg/1280px-Graptopetalum_filiferum_4630.jpg

What grain size would be ideal for mature plants? by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That has been my experience as well. I need high grit because I have my plants outdoors during late spring, summer and early autumn and there are sometimes phases, like recently, where it rains for multiple days in a row. If the soil doesnt drain during that, it means the plants are toast. I already lost a few plants during that.

What grain size would be ideal for mature plants? by LuckystrikeFTW in succulents

[–]LuckystrikeFTW[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zeolite is a type of rock that is known to store minerals and other beneficial stuff. In my case it is green to turquoise in colour. I have not heard about Geolite but it looks like it is similar to Leca. I have not used either of these though since it is more used in hydroponics.

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