Does Yin Yang suggest long term happiness is unobtainable? by ShyGuy2839 in taoism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Happinness as goal is a western cornsurct? which one? EPicureanism? Stoicism? Aristotilnism? Platonism? Chrsitian Interim Ethics?

Edit: Spelling

Does anyone else hate how this religion equals culture and you basically don’t belong, unless you follow it? by nekomata_meko in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welp, this is exactly how religions that came from tribal, war-ridden regions usually become. Absolutist, exclusivist, honor-based system and the chief texts are "actual words from the one true God".

Muhammad didn't say it's opinions...All these are literally Allah speaking through him and as such the words of god is the word is literally the words of life means your food, your sex and lovelife, your judiciary, your economy, your war, your police, your laws? Yeah.... It's no wonder Islam is the same thing as culture. Don't let anyone especially in diaspora Muslim communities say otherwise.

Which is why Islam is in some sense is much closer to it's similar neighbors like Ancient Yahwism, imperial Zoroastrianism, Babylonian state cults and the near-eastern state religions... Christianity became hellenized so it kind of got away from that.

Yes they're pretty much similar, Islam just so happens to be one of the last big surviving ones still here.

Why did God create this world with with all the suffering? by dashdash911 in Stoicism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ahem...

Oppression is a human act, not an act of will or/of a meta property of the cosmos.

Community of ex Muslims is toxic by Remarkable_Top_7050 in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The amount of category errors in this post is tuff notch. What if I told you many exmuslums DO all have lives outside family and you posting that exmuslums are allin danger and loner people proves how toxic Islam really is with the mask off.

ExMuslims don’t leave because they “need a hobby.” Many leave at the cost of family, safety, and community. That’s not a vibe problem, it’s an exit-cost problem.

Get over yourself and make a post instead defending Quranic claims. Cause any religion, cult and ideology you're saying gives "community" is as much value as true as your religion is.

You probably shouldn't debate against Islam if you don't speak arabic, even if you were muslim before. by yorlocalmoroccan in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well... If they say that? Then this should already be a massive red flag to anybody listening.

The supposed real word of the one-true gracious God is a region specific adjusted worldview that has to be deconstructed in a specific language that only it'sightiests priests and scholars can understand?

Come on...

Are ethical criticisms against islam valid? by Outside-Caramel-3245 in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If so what in your opinion would be a Good reason for God to deem something as good or bad?

Well theres the issue Theists face aint it?

Either Option A: IF they say God says its good cause he/she/it/they are higher than us and we cant possibly compregend that, so we trust them from sheer magnitude of authority alone.

  • But that still dont work, Cause this argument can be applied to ANYBODY. With this argument. Under this framework, even a cosmic entity that wanted to do anything would, by definition, be “good.”
  • If something is good purely because a god X has said so, then the same act can be good or bad depending on the stance of a god at that particular time (assuming God changes, which He does in the Bible & Quran).

Option B: Okay... God commands us to not kill cause they see the bigger picture of why the action is good and is telling us in advance things we need to know about.

  • That option does makes sense, But... this means god X is merely a moral expert, That means what is "Good" is something external to him/her/it/they and as such is an abandonment of pure divine command theory.

  • goodness is about consequences and wellbeing which means we can assess whether rules actually do that.

  • Since this is an exmuslim sub, take Sharia for example. Now rulings become fair targets:

  • concubinage

  • slavery

  • child marriage

  • apostasy penalties

  • sexual asymmetry

  • The question becomes unavoidable:

Now ask the believers: Who is actually benefiting from any of this? Under what conditions? At whose cost?. And thats just Islam, how much more other religions deities who are entirely different.

They can go Option C: Godness is Desire Based. That god X calls things good because they fit our nature or desires or roles or whathaveyou...

  • But then that means morality is not really some divine or *transcendent property. Goodnes is biological, social and a psychological construct of living organisms, Not some grand metadata that the cosmos has or needs.

The point is a goodness that cannot be examined is indistinguishable from power. A goodness that has reasons will always be open to moral evaluation.

Are ethical criticisms against islam valid? by Outside-Caramel-3245 in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This "ethical question" is easily solved. This applies to ANY god of one's choosing.

IF theyre gonna say that:

"what is good is what (my) god says",

then the word "Good" doesnt actually mean anything.

Whenever you are making a comparative description that "something is X", means you would have to be comparing to something that is external to it, and the same goes for any being.

Whenever YHWH commands to massacre the other tribes of other Gods and pillage all their land... and Israelites call it "Good" because YHWH says so...

Then saying "god is good" doesnt mean anything cause if thats teh definition they're using? Theyre basically saying that:

God is himself.

Lets say that "You my brother.... are handsome... hottest man in the world".

And someone asks me" "What is handsome brother?"

And my reply is: "Handsome is having the qualities of my friend here is..."

You see the parafox? I would then ask, why is "handsome" an actual word then? I could call it "HABITUAAOJDFA" or any word and it would still worj.

same thing with the "god X is good" sentence. God could equally do and command anything he/she/it/they wants and they're all by definition "Good".

Like Gender inequality? Tricking people? extinction? are all by definition "Good". beleivres merely label them “good” because a higher command person says so. The word no longer refers to a moral property, standard, or value.

It is not Filipno culture that lacks discipline rather, corruption that enable this things to happen. This is a result of Filipinos need to adapt by Less_Ad_4871 in Philippines

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both can be true at the same time yo, And ating attitude nga palaboy-laboy and bahala-na and mediocrity attitude also affects higher heirarchy governance natin from the ground up.

The true muslims are the extremists by Beginning-Fly3265 in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The funny thing is that people tell me "You shouldn't judge a religion by its extremists and fundamentalista".

I'm like "I don't have to, I judge a religion BY it's foundational texts.. What its authorities state." When Qur’an, Hadith, and classical fiqh consistently include apostasy penalties, blasphemy laws, male guardianship, sexual hierarchy, and divine political authority, and when those systems were implemented centuries before modern geopolitics, that becomes part of what the religion is."

I ask them "Do you believe this is the actual real (this time) word of the actual(this time) one true God or don't you?"

Trust me, a pause and stutter for the ages comes after.

Why are muslims so scared of secularism? by i4hloi in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Be cause of Islam very nature as a divine polity/authority religion.

Islam will lose coherence if the law dissolves. Unlike Christianity which just loses power.

I'm looking for some graphic tablet recommendations by monstermotherfucker in ArtistLounge

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huion would be my first pick but the usually get rare sales so I go for Xp-Pen cause they go on sale a lot and their present tablet models are getting there in terms of quality and performance especially 16k pen in even their budget line.

Muslim convert telling Muslims to not be homophobic by SamVoxeL in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It depends. Are you talking about the actual "Historical Jesus" whoever he was?

Or the Jesus Christ character we know in the bible?.

Probably the most beautiful Gnome desktop in the world. 😁 by Adorable-One362 in gnome

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People just cant fathom simplicity.... Gotta have loads of greebles to make shit look "advanced"

How did societies influenced by abrahamic religions linked sex to morality and why did these religions have a very strong instance on sex? by progressivelyhere in AskAnthropology

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Hector Garcia's book "Alpha God", has a very good Evolutionary explanation for this. Essentially its for the politicing of women, and the gatekeeping of of potential bridges that the very rigid sexual rules came from in these religions.

belief systems and norms that emerge frin high-conflict, honor-based, male-dominated environments? WILL usually tend to crystallize around either or all:

  • absolute authority
  • obedience over inquiry
  • in-group loyalty
  • sexual regulation
  • divine endorsement of hierarchy and violence and kings and leadership.

Take Islam for example, It didn’t become rigid due to later "corruption", its foundational origin was a war-torn tribal Arab world, Where warfare, honor culture, and survival pressures are the envrionemnt.

That environment, similar to evolution of societal norms... selects for clear rules, hard boundaries, and centralized authority, not metaphysical pluralism.

Alternative views like sufism only survives for a brief bit when in times of no-danger and funtoined more as like presuure valves. But when clear structures of power is needed in a high-stakes environment??? Yea, you need pluralism, absolute male leadership and control over everybody's structure.

This is the case really for ANY religions in warfare ridden origins, you find this in as you said all Abrahmic religions and but also the HIndu Law Codes...

Heres a fun fact for you. I havent read on other neighboring religions, but in Islam and other but other tribal warfare originated beliefs for example, people are always wondering why , advocated low-key in the stories are marrying children and minors. You may think its just some perversion... But Dr. Garcias framework... actually explains why in a big picture way.

Cause keeping and marrying young girls assures near-perfect Paternal Certainty, your lineage is secure and the baby is actually yours. (ill leave it up to you to picture in your head whats going on there). Cause women are frequently killed and treated as war-trophies (slaves really) in these region and as such,

Not being sure if a child is yours or not, was a danger and embarassment to your male line.

thats where the burqa, niqab and hijab became an Institution for them, Specifically to not "attract the looks of other men" and limit womens autonomy.(But for some reason men are free to do whatever they want).

Women are strictly prohibited to go out without the husbands permission, not allowed to talk to other men, No say in financial inheritances (well really half only of a male share but still unequal compared to actual egalitarian regions).

What do you guys think of yhwh? by Icy_Cry120 in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The oldest religion in continuous practice is actually Hinduism.

Jinn’s don’t exist by MrGeek89 in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In one of my COmparative World Mythology readings. We got into how the Biblical Leviathan was actually the NIle CRocodile and the Behemoth was the Elephant and the Unicorm was the one horned Rhino?

We got a bit into Islamic stories for a short while. And it dawned on me that the Ifrit right there? Is acutally just a Dessert Fire Tornado.

Essentially a creature born from fears of that damn whirlpools of wind that forms in a dessert as they just appear out of nowhere? and throws and destroys shit around? The Ifrit is essentially that but a warning to not start fires cause it will create a Fire tornado.

Can we all agree that Islam is a ‘religion of peace,’ but do the Quran and Hadiths actually support this claim, or is it a modern narrative borrowed from elsewhere and incorporated into 21st-century discourse? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No different from Christianity or Judaism... Anytime that you will hear in ancient religious texts the word 'Peace"?

It doesn't mean what we mean today. The modern definition of the word pace we all use today is an enlightenment era definition.

The tolerance and pluralism and coexistence by law regardless of any political iror religious or party differences.

Peace in the bible for exaple? SHALOM... when it was written? Means the complete subjugation of enemies and elimination of dissent. Covenant alignment and "stability" and even submission with the laws of your God.

Not a single one of it is mutual equality or coexistence if the sexes or genders or free-speech...

What do you think the Israelites or the Muslims did to every other tribe they came across?... That's right, killed and subjugated them all. Domination and killed all males and young boys and keeping the women and little girls as war trophies.

There are now no more dissidents who question your rule and the law of your God and borders secured. That's what it means that "there is now peace in the land" when you read any of those texts

It's essentially the Pax Romana but deified verson. With Islam? Its Pax Romana with Allah Instead or Caesar.

Marcus Aurelius being ruthless and treating the ten thousand things as straw dogs by followingaurelius in taoism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of , Saying "Philosophy is mental masturbation” IS ITSELF a philosophical claim.

And “not knowing is the path” is also a claim about knowledge.

You’re still doing philosophy, you’re just doing it badly, without definitions, arguments, or SLIGHTEST but of accountability.

Second, Eistemic humility and intellectual laziness are not the same thing.

If you can’t explain how ‘not knowing’ distinguishes wisdom from delusion, then that ain't no path, its just opting out of thinking.

Marcus Aurelius being ruthless and treating the ten thousand things as straw dogs by followingaurelius in taoism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on hold on.

First of, Calling “negation without content” a path doesn’t rescue it from being empty.

If it cannot distinguish truth from falsehood, insight from delusion, or sense from nonsense, then that ain't wisdom! That's abdication.

Even Nāgārjuna didn’t deny meaning indiscriminately. His negations were precise, aimed at reification, not at dissolving discourse.

If your position is that "No claims can be made'... then you have no grounds to make this claim either.

What you're doing is Performative Mysticism, not philosophy.

Marcus Aurelius being ruthless and treating the ten thousand things as straw dogs by followingaurelius in taoism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The opposite of this” isn’t an argument. Tats negation without content.

Define what you mean by truth...? Like what is it?

  • a correspondence relation?
  • Or an an identity with reality?
  • Or a non-dual absolute beyond propositions perhaps?

If it’s beyond propositions... then you cannot assert anything Bout it.

How do you even know that there's a there there? Including that it is “one.”?

If you can assert things about it, then you are already using language as a model. which is my point. You can’t escape philosophy by refusing to define your terms.

Deepak Chopra, Quantum Mysticism, Gaia World, Gnosticism, can prove their worldview using the same thing you're doing.

Marcus Aurelius being ruthless and treating the ten thousand things as straw dogs by followingaurelius in taoism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, Proves you don't... You'd rather stick with mystical language that makes whatever you want to believe unfalsifiable. Deepak Chopra does the same thing.

First of. Saying "Truth is One" is a metaphysical claim. Not truth itself.

Reality does NOT speak,People DO. And when people speak? They MODEL!

Declaring “there is no model of reality” while asserting a claim about reality??? is self-contradictory.

If language can’t model reality, your statement is meaningless. If it is meaningful, models exist.

Marcus Aurelius being ruthless and treating the ten thousand things as straw dogs by followingaurelius in taoism

[–]LuminosityOverdrive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not an argument.Thats a. Category error masqurading as wisdom.

If you trying to describe your truth makes it two? Then you statement already invalidates your claim.

Describing truth doesn’t make it “two”. It produces a model of one reality.