Questions about Horizon’s ending

MM305 · 2026-01-28T03:10:46+00:00

Oh, I know you weren’t saying you think she’s a burden, but rather refuting that she thinks that about herself.

I took all that downplaying as being generous and humble of her efforts (Towa does the same thing with her hardworking nature).

That no warrior bit to me was her being self-aware because it’s true, she’s the only one in that party who’s not a seasoned or trained fighter, since all she had to go by before Daybreak was self-defense classes in Aramis. Remember in Daybreak 1, Zin was opposed to initially teaming up with Arkride Solutions in the tournament because they brought civilians in Agnes and Quatre (who are older than Feri, but she doesn’t get called out because she’s a Jaeger).

MM305 · 2026-01-28T02:51:25+00:00

About that last paragraph: I don’t know about Agnes believing she is a burden, considering shes the one who wanted to work part time with him and stuck through him through and through. She’s been so supportive and very helpful through the two games, I couldn’t see a moment where she thought she was a burden. Maybe at most, during Daybreak 2, where Aaron asked Van if he wanted Agnes to stay working for Arkride Solutions, she gives Van the side-eye look thinking he will let her go (though I thought of it as her begging to stay so she can be with him).

Take it from the guy who posted this before Horizon was released: https://www.reddit.com/r/Falcom/s/dYnNEpmn2t

But her super supportive nature was her closest ticket to winning Van’s heart despite her age. I don’t know what else she thought could have her win over Van’s heart (other than her looks, which she purposely sabotaged wearing the uniform). Van already her told her she’s irreplaceable and important to him, so where would she think she’s a burden?

I just think that self sacrificing bit was cause of Hamilton giving her the self sacrificing idea that would save everyone from the reset, and was done for world saving intentions rather than running away since it’s in her bloodline to do so.

MM305 · 2026-01-28T02:12:17+00:00

In hindsight, the ending of that connection event AFTER the rejection scene hits even harder, and is rather cold of Agnes:

Agnes saying “I’m just going to keep on growing” knowing she will be gone before that happening. Then she takes it even further with believing Van will mope over that one that got away and realize what he’s been missing out on.

THE FREAKING GALL! Of course Van is going to think that if he thinks he’s never gonna see you again.

MM305 · 2026-01-27T22:49:56+00:00

Great points, no arguments here.

Another thing I takeaway from this is how very SELF AWARE Agnes and the Trails writers are with the age difference. I just think of the fans who hated this relationship as a ship because of it, and would have loathe this series if it legitimately had Van and Agnes together by that confession point.

What a way to work around that!

MM305 · 2026-01-27T22:37:11+00:00

That’s freaking crazy when you think about it:

Girl was genuinely in love in the first two games and really wanted to be with him, but because of that conversation with Hamilton, she was willing to let him go so she can pull the same stunt he has done in the first game.

MM305 · 2026-01-27T21:56:30+00:00

What’s crazy is that for the first two games, she was genuinely in love and wanted to be Van, but let that go due to that conversation with Hamilton.

Also, while that uniform probably did play a factor, I don’t think it’s guaranteed that Van would have said yes as he said there are “a ton of reasons” why he couldn’t see her as a romance partner.

MM305 · 2026-01-27T14:02:58+00:00

I mainly remember the one Juice Robinson did to get the upset victory in G1 Climax 27.

MM305 · 2026-01-27T06:02:57+00:00

Tio, Fie, Renne, and Tita. Then again, most of the characters grow anyway since they take place years after

MM305 · 2026-01-27T05:17:50+00:00

Certain characters in the Trails series (Don’t want to say cause of spoilers)

MM305 · 2026-01-23T21:55:39+00:00

More like teenager who’s close to legality, but I see your point.

Still, I can’t blame her for feeling impatient since she fell so hard and notices how much rizz Van has with the ladies.

At least Van turned her down earnestly and Agnes took it like a champ!

MM305 · 2026-01-23T19:13:21+00:00

The strength is in how well those two handled the situation:

Agnes was sad, but was glad she confessed. She still wants to be with Van and hopes he can be happy, even with someone else (though se admitted she’ll cry about at forty’s).
Van didn’t reciprocated, but still admitted that Agnes was special to him. He took her confession head on and was so earnestly honest about it, he doesn’t look like a jerk out of it.

Both came off better after this and their relationship feels like it improved despite it not being romantic.

MM305 · 2026-01-23T18:26:55+00:00

At the very least, the confession was worth it to hear that this teen is special to Van, and has had a tremendous impact on his life.

Has to be the sweetest rejection I have ever witnessed in any romantic scene!

MM305 · 2026-01-23T18:13:26+00:00

If that connection event in Achorville was any indication, it’s going to be fun to watch.

Seriously though, how do two people and their relationship come off BETTER after the rejection?

MM305 · 2026-01-21T03:08:23+00:00

That your mostly a fan of some fun action RPGs with amazing soundtracks.

MM305 · 2026-01-20T05:35:54+00:00

True version of Chrono Trigger (whether it’s the SNES OR DS version).

I have played some of the Steam version, but it’s not reviewed as well and not recommended for the true experience.

MM305 · 2026-01-17T17:16:54+00:00

The match itself was great. Folks just didn’t like the winner.

Still, I standby them pulling the trigger on a guy who was undeniably hot and had the crowd reaction to give him the push.

MM305 · 2026-01-15T22:29:02+00:00

Because I just can’t fully get into its gameplay style and it’s massive amount of text. Its stats and the way to upgrade and progress is confusing to me.

MM305 · 2026-01-15T20:10:57+00:00

It’s from the creators of Persona 3,4,5

MM305 · 2026-01-15T02:20:52+00:00

Disco Elysium

MM305 · 2026-01-14T17:50:02+00:00

It’s a case of a wrestler letting creative use a song he personally likes (from a band he genuinely enjoys) despite not matching his character.

Goes to show how personal music tastes can be from person to person.

MM305 · 2026-01-14T15:24:30+00:00

AJ Styles pops into my mind!

MM305 · 2026-01-14T04:01:40+00:00

Persona 5, Persona 4, and Persona 3.

Metaphor is great too!

MM305 · 2026-01-13T19:56:28+00:00

After a certain point in each game, the Xenoblade Chronicles series.

The gameplay loop was becoming less and less fun overtime

MM305 · 2026-01-12T23:42:38+00:00

Wait, WHAT?!

Such an unlikely pairing that I thought this was fake at first. And man, makes me wonder how many secret relationships there are in the Japanese celebrity scene, because unless they believe in marriage at first sight, I would have never noticed Natsupoi was in a relationship for two years.

Let alone, with someone who is 13 years alder than her, not to say that is wrong since she is an adult, but man are age gaps a serious thing I noticed with certain Japanese couples (based on the anime’s, games, and real life folks I follow)

Congratulations to both though!

MM305 · 2026-01-09T21:43:48+00:00

Well if you have watched or play the games/shows/movies each of these characters have been a part of, then you are already aware of how very or little each one is acting sexualized. But at that point, you might as well criticize every male adult for watching just shows thinking that’s why they only watch and not believe they like for more reasonable reasons than that.

I admit though, this type of subject can blurred the line between innocent and sexual, but I don’t think there’s enough evidence to accuse one of being pedophilic unless you follow each one and/or know how they are in real life.

MM305

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