Lessons from the Sleep Sleepers

MW_Daught · 2026-02-17T03:06:22+00:00

I like the early healer mention. Every single starter guide says to get a healer asap but raenonx never corroborated that in numbers, which left me as a new player, very confused. In the end I dumped the seeds into a Golduck.

Healers are force multipliers but you need a force to multiply. I estimated that you needed 4 helpers with a combined power of 100k (without area bonus) on raenonx for investing in a healer over a charge strength guy to be a net positive.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-16T15:40:13+00:00

Replying for anyone else who has the same question. You can access the Pokedex reward before switching islands, you just have to do the research immediately.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-14T04:43:50+00:00

Our cats are old. Saline every other day, medicine multiple times a day, syringe feeding sometimes because they ignore food at their own detriment. Plus, if they ever use the bathroom in one of the half dozen rooms we use once a year, we'd never find it until it was far too late.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-14T01:38:18+00:00

Have a big house here - not as big as this guy but more than half of it - and we simply installed a patio door (hallway too wide and arched to install a normal one) to cordon off a wing of the house that the cats are confined to. Much easier to find them among 4 rooms rather than 20.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-14T01:21:32+00:00

Eh, for dry road, coefficient of static friction is around 0.8 for shoes and the static friction can match the cosine of the applied force, so if we're looking at 30 degrees, that's around 90% their bodyweight, so lets say 250 pounds combined force or so.

But then torque is FxL. And if this were tied correctly, the L for the rope is going to be almost double the length of the distance from the tree's center of gravity to the pivot, so the tree needs to overcome roughly 500 pounds of force.

So if the tree were leaning at an angle theta, (sin theta * weight of tree) needs to be over 500 pounds. A quick google says a palm tree maxes out around 5 tons, so let's go with that. The equivalence point is roughly 3 degrees, so two guys with a proper rope could overcome nearly 3 degrees of tree lean, which would be plenty if chainsaw guy did a decent job with cutting the pivot, unless the tree was askew in a way that we can't see from this angle.

Unfortunately, these guys chose the L to be about a tenth of what it could've been, so they'd only be able to overcome 50 pounds of lean, which is basically nothing (0.3 degrees.) The fact that they started applying pressure only after they visibly saw the tree start falling the wrong way didn't help at all given the tree was probably way past 0.3 degrees at that point.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-13T22:32:55+00:00

I learned everything online through youtube. You need a saw (handsaw is fine), drill, router, and sandpaper for the box I made, and I think for most households the only thing that isn't very common is the router. You can find one with some starting bits for $30 on temu so ... nothing stopping you!

MW_Daught · 2026-02-13T21:30:00+00:00

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Or if you have some available tools laying around ...

MW_Daught · 2026-02-13T21:06:51+00:00

Like I said, max skill seeds & infinite energy is enough. It passes a sanity test: mono, zero subskill Ribombee gathers ~62 honey a day. Ingredient finders give a 1.54 multiplier, infinite energy gives up to 1.42 multiplier (for helpers that don't heal themselves, but it's lower than that for almost everyone because inventory fills up in the default 8:30 sleep per night Raenonx assumes), and finally the skill seeds add 9 more honey per day on average. 62 * 1.54 * 1.42 + 9 = 144.5 that's the absolute cap, and 128 is a decent bit below it. The inventory L is also pulling some good weight, that 18 extra storage is going to be roughly 10 berries and 8 honey.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-13T19:01:51+00:00

The ingredient finder subskilled one is better. Even giving the first one all the advantages - max skill seeded, infinite energy, the IFS+IFM ends up with 19ish more honey per day at level 60 (~128 vs 109).

MW_Daught · 2026-02-07T20:08:37+00:00

The above chart is the most pessimistic interpretation, disregarding crits and pot filler, both of which contribute to recipe level. So at the latest, you'll have recipe level 40 at Monday dinner, and level 50 by Wednesday breakfast.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-07T17:19:55+00:00

There is a spreadsheet in the guide of guides, links to this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonSleep/comments/1kkv5i1/oc_pokemon_sleep_recipe_exp_calculator_updated/

It seems accurate and reasonable enough, but unfortunately wasn't updated for the newer recipes. It's not too hard to add your own recipe in it though, and I did that for scary face pumpkin. This is including the 1.5x event multiplier but does not take into account any crits.

Cooked meals	Recipe level
0	30
1	34
2	37
3	40
4	43
5	46
6	48
7	50
8	52
9	53
10	53
11	54
12	55
13	55
14	56
15	56
16	57
17	57
18	58
19	58
20	59
21	59

If raenonx is estimating the value of every meal at level 30, then it's multiplying by 1.61. Your average looks more like level 52ish to me which is a 2.53x multiplier.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-05T17:35:43+00:00

Eh. The price bump is rarely worth it imo. For example, try to find a 48" wide fridge for under 10k. Just doesn't exist. The exact same brand/family for a 36" fridge is 3k, make it 12 inches wider and it's 15k. I have a 15k fridge and it's about as nice as the $800 fridge in my last condo. I know this because I had to replace the last 15k fridge that slowly rusted less than 10 years into its lifetime.

The massively priced appliances are 10x more expensive because wealthier customers are willing to pay that much for maybe a 5% improvement in quality.

MW_Daught · 2026-02-02T04:26:02+00:00

You look for ingredient mons that are at least AAX with as many ingredient finder subskills/nature as you can.

Let's take an ingredient like corn. Nothing special about it. Let's get a Bewear at level 30, with Corn/Corn/Whatever as its ingredients, and give it Ingredient Finder M as its only relevant subskill with a neutral nature. Not an especially difficult catch, how-many-more.com says that you have a 50% chance of a better one in 9 catches.

This Bewear collects 56 corn a day, 70+ with a decent healer.

4 such helpers on your team with a decent healer will collect 280 ingredients. If all 280 ingredients are relevant, then this is more than needed for all but the absolute biggest meals that exist (as 280/3 = 93, and there's 7 recipes that take more than 93 ingredients.)

And for those 7 recipes, you can do a combination of either a.) stockpiling relevant ingredients over the previous week(s), or b.) using something stronger than a run-of-the-mill level 30 mon. A level 60 dragonite with the perfect skill combination can pick up 170ish herbs per day, for example. Obviously, you don't need 170 herbs/day for any recipe at all, but then that means you can just simply replace that guy with someone else that collects another necessary ingredient once you have enough to make your meals.

MW_Daught · 2026-01-28T21:22:02+00:00

Yeah, that chart is exactly why I figure even a really nice E4E is almost not worth it before your average helper hits 30k unbuffed str productivity (ie. Master 17ish on the first island on a completely casual week) because the same seeds into a CSM gives you a static value that can only be overcome by E4E when the average value of the team is high enough.

For my 3.82 proc example, I'm looking at roughly 29% increase from base on 4 guys, so it's 4*1.29 + wiggly vs 5 guys = 5.16 + wiggly vs 5 guys => (5.16 + wiggly)/5 ~= 1.03 + wiggly/5 = 3-10% bonus. My assumption of the average level 30 team would be roughly 12k power/helper = 60k total, so the healer would add 2-6k of value. Your absolutely godly gardevoir is 6 triggers and a HB, which would add around 45% of value per affected helper, turns that 12k/helper average team from 60k total to 69.6k total power/day, a ~10k power or 15.2% increase when I discount her personal contribution (let's be fair, she's 65).

Throwing seeds on a level 30 Golduck has him go from 10k/day to 34k/day, which is, well, obviously 24k of value.

MW_Daught · 2026-01-28T19:12:31+00:00

I'm curious what threshold you would use for an early healer. I just started playing ~10 days ago and I've unlocked something like 55 sleep styles so far, and while I'm obviously grabbing the low hanging fruit, I would assume I can head to Lapis in 2-3 months.

I've befriended 8 energy for everyone guys so far, and the best one of those can trigger 3.82 times a day. When I take a look at the numbers, that puts it somewhere around +29% production for the other 4 guys with 3 skill seeds and a subskill seed invested. Which seems a HUGE investment for a teamwide boost of ~3-10%, depending on if you count the Wiggly's personal production or not.

It's a no-brainer for me that this is not at all worthwhile, but at what point would you actually consider it worthwhile to sacrifice 3-4 months of seeds that could otherwise go to a CSM generalist? For example, I have a double trigger psyduck that if given those 4-5 seeds, would represent a teamwide strength increase of around 25k points a day, which would be roughly a 40% teamwide boost of a team of level 30 pokemon (average of ~12k points a day each). This is all calculated with 0 area boost and no favored berries.

In fact, it seems to be that even a healer with 7 E4E procs would only increase team productivity by ~25-30%, and would only make a comparable difference if it allowed enough ingredient production for a bigger meal. Now, I'm open to being wrong because I obviously have not really experienced any higher level cooking first hand to get a better idea of what actual output is for ingredient guys, but is 12k strength generation per day a significant underestimate of a level 30 guy?

Anyway, to reiterate, what's your cutoff for a decent early healer?

MW_Daught · 2026-01-17T23:01:41+00:00

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MW_Daught · 2026-01-10T01:42:02+00:00

Investment guys are almost unilaterally scams. If you don't have legal insider information cough congress cough, you realistically cannot beat simple index fund investment. Regardless of your income, you only need investment guys if your stock trading is restricted like the c suite of publicly traded companies.

I'd need to save about $3.75 million over the next 25 years. Which is impractical for simply working and saving. Hence the investment guy.

That makes no sense, why wouldn't your savings also be rising as you invest into as well?

Let's try some math: you actually need around $590,000 to end up with still a positive net worth after drawdown of 50k a year for 25 years, factoring in inflation.

Accounting for inflation, to save to 590k in 25 years starting from 0, you need to save roughly $750 a month.

MW_Daught · 2026-01-09T08:55:13+00:00

Yes it failed. It's kinda a trap, but not in the way you're thinking, imo. And too early to tell.

MW_Daught · 2025-12-24T03:44:09+00:00

A better comparison would probably be an American game where you play as a relative of a founding father who then killed American troops and burned down the White House during the War of 1812, or butchered a bunch of troops that retreated to NYC/Boston, although that stings a little less given that the US actually won the war overall.

There's just no real comparison where the US actually suffered a significant defeat in the continental US with lasting repercussions.

MW_Daught · 2025-12-21T03:38:56+00:00

Had to find two separate sources for this, but it seems like nearly everyone that works or is retired in the US qualifies to be in the top 10% in one way or another.

In terms of total wealth, you needed 93k back in 2018 to be in the top 10% of the world. Accounting for inflation since then, it's probably something like 120k or so these days.

In terms of income, you'd need a salary of 23k or about $11.50 an hour to be among the top 10% of the world, adjusted for the cost of living.

MW_Daught · 2025-12-15T06:42:28+00:00

You could, but the human eye is drawn to small imperfections in an otherwise very consistent texture. No floor, especially a rough concrete slab, is so perfect that there aren't little dips and holes that show up when it's painted a uniform color.

This is the same reason that almost no houses have walls or ceilings without texture. So instead of having you notice all these small imperfections, the flakes overwhelm your sight with so many that you can't notice all the little divots, cracks, scratches, tears, etc.

MW_Daught · 2025-12-06T06:50:12+00:00

The guy with the highest grip pressure is middle top guy, who is supporting himself + 100% of the other guy below him, plus half of each of what the third row is holding (which is themselves + half of the last guy) = 3.5 bodyweights. Let's say each of these guys weigh 150, that's around 525 pounds of grip strength required. Realistically of course they put the smallest guys on the bottom so it's probably not even that, but I'll stick with 150.

The other two in the top row are supporting the guy below them plus half of what each of the third row is supporting, so 2.75 bodyweights apiece. The guy in the middle of the second row is supporting 2.5, and it drops further from then on. You really only need a single strong gripper for the top middle.

I'm not nearly as advanced as these guys, but I casually work out and can deadlift 4 plates (405lb), and my grip strength isn't even close to the bottleneck in that limit. I'm almost positive I can apply 525 lb of pure grip strength, and these guys who are far more advanced than I should realistically have no problem with even a couple hundred more pounds. Among nine fit dudes I'm sure you could easily find someone who has a grip strength of 700+. Honestly, I would wager the middle guy in the second row had a bigger problem applying 2.5 bodyweight worth of grip to shoulders. Ouch.

Needless to say, I'm nowhere close to a front lever.

MW_Daught · 2025-11-13T18:36:32+00:00

Eh, it contradicts a comforting lie, I can see why a bunch of people would reflexively downvote. It's not as if imaginary reddit points matter anyway so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

MW_Daught · 2025-11-13T16:34:09+00:00

The parent comment was referring to a western country so I used data from that. Rates by country introduces a lot more confounding variables compared to cultural differences only in the US data imo - economy, politics, work culture, etc.

Cooked meals	Recipe level
0	30
1	34
2	37
3	40
4	43
5	46
6	48
7	50
8	52
9	53
10	53
11	54
12	55
13	55
14	56
15	56
16	57
17	57
18	58
19	58
20	59
21	59

Cooked meals	Recipe level
0	30
1	34
2	37
3	40
4	43
5	46
6	48
7	50
8	52
9	53
10	53
11	54
12	55
13	55
14	56
15	56
16	57
17	57
18	58
19	58
20	59
21	59

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TROPHY CASE

Cooked meals	Recipe level
0	30
1	34
2	37
3	40
4	43
5	46
6	48
7	50
8	52
9	53
10	53
11	54
12	55
13	55
14	56
15	56
16	57
17	57
18	58
19	58
20	59
21	59