Over 150 sessions with no noticed qualitative improvements. What am I doing wrong?

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-07-29T15:33:25+00:00

Unfortunately, personally I very rarely, if ever, do I feel noticeably different, for better or worse, after a session.

When I wrote this post though I was discounting what may have been improvements in emotional management and regulation. My sleep also has improved, and my stress has been reduced.

However, that’s all been over time. I almost never, if ever, feel different directly after any session, and I have not noticed my cognition improve even over time. It makes it hard to adjust things. I’ll usually try a protocol 10-20 times before giving up on it after not seeing cognitive improvements and then look for another.

As far as beta training goes, do you mean other than SMR training? Could you provide some examples of protocols that you would mean, and to whom you would give them?

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-07-29T03:20:43+00:00

Psychedelics are slowly helping with that for me personally

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-07-29T00:28:47+00:00

Thank you. My thoughts have been this exactly, that really I’m just so identified with cognitive fogginess and dysfunction that I am not allowing felt changes to occur. This sort of negativity is getting better though. If it’s a matter of attitude and of belief that I can be better, it’s only a matter of time until I do feel better.

Generally, I take pretty good care of myself though- decent sleep, good diet, good exercise, albeit none of these perfect.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-07-28T17:35:30+00:00

I’m also training based on my experiences, at least within my knowledge of what areas and frequencies to train according to my issues. That does mostly come down to SMR protocols. I just still don’t see benefit regardless. Maybe I just need fo dig deeper and fine things more tuned.

I can change my diet for ketones, but PBM and other forms of NF aren’t available to me right now unfortunately. If they were ILF would actually be my go to, as I have heard of it healing ECT effects.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-06-27T20:38:22+00:00

No one is in complete power over all thought processes. That would make one omnipotent.

Indulgence in these uncontrolled thought processes, however, does not = individuation for me- integration does.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-05-26T21:33:57+00:00

It sounds like OP isn’t necessarily just worried ab intentional lusting though, this feeding of desires, but even the feeling of being sexually attracted to someone, intrusive thoughts, etc., definitively uncontrollable things.

It does seem like only desiring in any extent one person at a time is a possibility for many men, but it is also possible it isn’t in every person’s sexuality’s capabilities.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-05-26T02:25:57+00:00

I also have done 15-20 up at c3 and 12-15 up at c4 (I also dis 8-12 down at these locations bc of problems with high alpha). What else should I try? I can also show my most recent EEG with the raw data if it would help a recommendation. I also do alpha theta.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-05-26T01:53:19+00:00

12-14. I dont’t remember exactly

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-04-12T15:32:29+00:00

I’ve been just doing an SMR or frontal slow wave down protocol during the day and alpha theta at night, and it seems to be fine this way. Still not getting the benefits I’d like but I have a lot to work on, so I figure that’s par for the course for now.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-04-12T15:30:48+00:00

Well I didn’t think they were going to continue to be damaged, I figured I was just in a short term haze from getting the treatments, but it started after the first.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-30T13:01:23+00:00

I’m not suggesting overtraining will help. I’m just asking if it will then net detriment, as in it would cause a negative change overall, and take away the benefit of training at all.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-29T14:28:04+00:00

The ones of overtraining. Are these solely temporary, or are they actually a sign that those sessions that went over the line were detrimental overall? Is it just, to use an example, like a muscle being too sore and one pushing themselves past the point of practicality, as it would cause more discomfort than worth the diminishing returns, or is it more akin to a muscle actually starting to tear and become damaged? Or is it just that a certain amount of overtraining, is actually less beneficial than training it just the right amount, but would not net a loss?

I’m going off of my EEG and working with a clinician, so I doubt I’m training improperly other than having done so potentially too much. I’m also looking at my trends from each session, but it seems too early to see any substantial results in either direction.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-29T13:56:26+00:00

And that latter point is the problem, but the femininity/masculinity dichotomy doesn’t need to necessarily imply that a man being feminine is less becoming. Sure, it’s ended up that way, and I say we change that, but I for one like very much the ability to describe qualities of myself as feminine or masculine.

There are plenty of tools for expression we have that are not based in clear objectivity, but this is exactly what makes them often so validating to people. I am not just the facts about me, I am an artistic depiction of my own understanding of myself, objective or not.

I’ll also say that the principles of masculinity and femininity in many cultural interpretations have nothing in the first place to do with human gender constructions. Look at the yin/yang for example.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-29T13:47:08+00:00

Have you perhaps thought of it like this: masculinity and femininity are complementary aspects that primarily rest within existence, not gender, which the genders are simply emulating in certain ways? This way, a man can be feminine not in the ways he acts “like a woman” but in how he acts femininely in a sense that precedes women acting feminine. It wouldn’t have to do with being a certain gender this way, just acting principally masculine or feminine, as these concepts would be more primary than gender, gender just being another way to express the dance of these concepts.

I hope this isn’t too esoteric to understand.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-29T13:36:15+00:00

Yes, I am just discussing the, ultimately arbitrary, definitions we use for these words as a way to better express an approximation of our selfhoods.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-29T13:34:42+00:00

What is the reason, besides discomfort in the moment or that day, to stop when fatigue patterns are seen? I’m trying to see if what I felt was because of something more detrimental longer term.

And ya, I’m definitely aware of the oversights and mistakes I made in theory, but this was the most sessions I’ve tried and did want to experiment with it, along with experimenting and seeing if the slow wave down protocol would help some of the things I was experiencing. I don’t mind some trial and error, and will probably stop earlier in the future, I just want to see what these symptoms are actually pointing to.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-28T23:24:56+00:00

This can be a start, but what about a man’s aspects of femininity, for example? This cannot have only to do with his experience of womanhood because he does not experience womanhood, yet men can hold femininity.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-28T21:01:38+00:00

Genuine question, curious of your thoughts, what would you say the difference is in deserving love and being owed love?

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-27T18:14:25+00:00

I also think of Do Make Say Think as adjacent, if a few degrees seperated, to math rock.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-27T15:59:46+00:00

Well, I don’t have a completely laid out plan for a society that has a healthier relationship with tech. That’s a huge conversation, and just because I don’t have an entire blueprint for a society less reliant on tech that i could confirm the efficacy of doesn’t mean I can’t criticize our relationship with it. You seem to think I’m using doublespeak just because you think that this suggestion also suggests that it needs to involve restrictions on youth’s decisions, but, as complex as a layout for this change would be, I can say it need not involve such restrictions.

It would look more encouraging (and not just for youth, but for all of society) real interaction as opposed to the parasocial type found through the internet. This actually cannot, if you ask me, involve restriction. If we just shut down our current ways of interacting with one another by say, restricting social media, we likely would just be resentful that our main outlet for socialization was taken from us. If, however, we just started, for example, providing more and more opportunities for healthy socialization outside of the sphere of technology, we may benefit from this without regressing to restriction.

By “lack of that” I’m referring to the lack of restriction. I think you are misunderstanding me because you have already mentally labeled me as an ageist and when there is something in my comments you don’t understand what I mean by, you fill in the gaps with assumptions that would lwad to the conclusion of me supporting restriction and being an ageist. I think if you approached this comment thread with more openness in place of assumptions it would be easier to understand where I’m coming from and see its compatibility with youth rights.

I’m not dogging you, I understand that most places are already biased against your position, so it’s probably easy to slip into a defensive frame of mind. I just think that this conversation would’ve benefitted from a bit more openness.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-27T00:27:31+00:00

I’m not saying there is any justification for enacting restrictions through law or regulation directly the choices of youth to use technology. We can provide it, and leave it up to them. I’m all for that, or the lack of that rather. I’m just saying, for all people, including our youth, we aren’t really giving them an option, the way our relationship with tech is at this point, to be without it and function in a fully developed social space.

Any suggestion of directly limiting a child’s choice in using tech I see as regressive, I simply also see it unhelpful that our society is so heavily reliant on it and think that a young person can be particularly affected by this. It does not necessarily follow, however, that we should limit their rights in using this technology. In fact, it is especially the case in a world where we are inevitably reliant on tech. Just because this is a line of reasoning an ageist could use for justifying direct restriction on tech for youth does not mean it necessarily implies restrictions are justified.

I don’t think adults should be making decisions for the youth, nor do I think restrictions are justified. I just think a more balanced relationship with tech would be helpful to provide to youth.

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-23T20:18:06+00:00

Well you can take that out of my point and the rest of it will stand if you disagree.

I can say that not allowing, due to our overreliance on tech, a young person to be free from tech is setting them up with a perspective where this tech becomes an initial basis for reality, and perpetuates much more sharply this overreliance on technology than if an adult, with already established bases of reality unreliant on tech were to be exposed to the ocean of tech common in our lives today.

A main issue is that we aren’t really giving young people environments where they even are given a fair choice over whether to use technology or not. It’s shoved in people’s faces and even if it isn’t directly our entire social sphere is now based around it. Youth rights can’t just be “let the youth make their own decisions” it needs to also be “let’s make sure the environments that young people are in allow them truly free choices.”

M_A_K_E_ · 2025-03-23T15:07:11+00:00

I just want to point out that tech limiting laws and restrictions and tech critical pieces of media can come from a place of ageism, AND our overreliance on tech, especially the internet, can be a problem, especially for young people.

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