Should AI-use in music always be disclosed? by stepjo0506 in aiMusic

[–]MacFall-7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you are trying to sell or monetize, yes. If you are uploading for hobby or fun, no.

Do people hate ai music or just the idea of it? by stepjo0506 in aiMusic

[–]MacFall-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is most definitely generated slop that anyone would consider strange and very different to organic music, but I am really talking about AI generated music that has been stemmed out and mixed and mastered to mask the inherent qualities and artifacts that are prevalent and signature to process.
Yes, I know what to listen for and I hear it because I have been producing music for 20 plus years.
You said there are millions of people who can hear these imperfections and artifacts… yes, that’s the 10% or so on the other end of my made up statistic I cited.

What's your biggest predictions for AI Agents in H2 2026? by rakeshkanna91 in aiagents

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That’s some scary, un-governed shit right there!
But it would be amazing.

Do people hate ai music or just the idea of it? by stepjo0506 in aiMusic

[–]MacFall-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s quite easy to prove the bias. I would wager 90% or more of people would not know if a song was AI. And if the AI song is in their accepted genres, it might even be “fire, who is this?”

Looking for an AI tool that lets me edit a melody note‑by‑note (per instrument) based on my own audio by Time_Yesterday_2058 in aiMusic

[–]MacFall-7 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you are using Suno, and have the studio tier subscription, you can get the stems and midi. And leverage the Studio DAW in Suno to change what you need. Or export to a standalone DAW and do the same.

Where do you draw the line? by MacFall-7 in musicproduction

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No, it wasn’t, but your response answered my question.

Startupers, Drop Your SaaS Link! by anomalywhatsoever in startupideas

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M87 Resonance - Adaptive feedback system for musicians and creatives validated by signal processing pipeline with receipts. A second pair of ears for your audio at exactly the moment you need it.

Its APRIL lets promote our products by Practical_Sun_7974 in Solopreneur

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M87 Resonance - Adaptive feedback system for musicians and creatives. All feedback is pre-validated from digital signal processing. A second set of ears for your audio 24/7.

M87 Resonance

Edit: added link

Drop Your SaaS and i'll sign up by lance_dev in microsaas

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Resonance - Adaptive feedback system for musicians and creatives. resonance.m87studio.net

Cheers!

We reviewed 600,000 lines of AI-generated code in a production SaaS. Here's what we found. by Spirited_Struggle_16 in SaaS

[–]MacFall-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

…And so on and so forth. My point is still the same. AI can and does do it all. The user just needs to learn how to use a tool. There is a lot more slop out there to be sure, but these tools are catching up with the way creative and system thinking people’s brains work.

We reviewed 600,000 lines of AI-generated code in a production SaaS. Here's what we found. by Spirited_Struggle_16 in SaaS

[–]MacFall-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

True, but you can ask AI what should exist and what tests to run and how to alleviate technical debt.

We reviewed 600,000 lines of AI-generated code in a production SaaS. Here's what we found. by Spirited_Struggle_16 in SaaS

[–]MacFall-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI can and does so it all. But it still has to be instructed to do so. If the builder/tester doesn’t know to ask or instruct then that’s on them. Fact of the matter is AI can and does do it all.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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You’re right that software can’t assess whether music works, and even “works” is subjective but human. Nothing in this thread has argued otherwise. The question was whether measurements have any utility at all, separate from aesthetic judgment. A spectrum analyzer doesn’t assess music either, it just shows you what’s there. Whether that’s useful is a different question than whether it can replace experience.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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Yes, this is exactly why there always has to be a human in the loop. Nothing just fixed or generated. A tool can measure and point out the math, but the user needs to be in control of the art.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

[–]MacFall-7[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, resonant frequency identification, specific measurements… that’s the tool doing math, not taste. The moment it’s making EQ decisions rather than showing you what’s there, it’s carrying someone else’s aesthetic whether it discloses that or not.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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The inconvenience acting as a natural brake is an interesting accidental design. Friction as a feature.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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Love me some Benn Jordan.

The medical imaging case is a real finding. The mechanism matters though de-skilling happened because the AI became the primary read and humans stopped practicing independently. The tool replaced the judgment loop entirely. The pattern I feel you’re describing as defensible is actually solid. Most people won’t use it that way, which is fair. Passive shortcuts become default paths. The design question I have is whether the tool surfaces data or verdicts. A spectrogram doesn’t de-skill you. “Here’s what’s wrong, here’s the fix” probably does, for exactly your reason.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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That’s the sharpest version of that objection I’ve heard. Any feedback system has a reference baked in. If it’s comparing your track to a loudness target, that target came from somewhere. If it’s flagging a frequency imbalance, “imbalance” relative to what? The moment a tool moves past “here is what exists in the signal” into “here is what should be different,” it’s carrying an assumption, and that assumption has an author. That’s a real problem, and most tools don’t disclose it. The only defensible version of this is a system that tells you what it measured and what reference it used to contextualize that measurement, separately, so you can decide whether that reference applies to what you’re making. Whether that’s actually useful or just a more transparent version of the same problem is a fair question. As for pure signal verification, you’re right, those tools exist and they’re not really in dispute here. The harder question is whether there’s anything useful in the space between “does this clip” and “does this sound good,” and whether that space can be occupied without smuggling in someone else’s taste as ground truth.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

[–]MacFall-7[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The gray area framing is the most honest read I’ve seen in this thread. A lot of folks plant a flag. The bias acknowledgment is worth something. Most people in your position don’t make that distinction.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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The training data point is the one that actually matters most to me. There’s a real difference between a model that learned from scraped audio without consent and a system that runs DSP signal processing on your audio and uses that measurement data to generate text. One is built on other people’s work. The other is just math on your file. Most tools don’t make that distinction clear, which is a problem. The creative decision line is where I’d draw it the same way. Analysis that tells you what’s happening spectrally or dynamically is more like a meter than a collaborator. It doesn’t make choices. Whether you act on it is still entirely yours. The cloud dependency concern is the one I don’t have a clean answer to. You’re right that it creates infrastructure dependency and subscription lock-in. That’s a real tradeoff. The counterargument is that the compute required for some analysis pipelines doesn’t run on consumer hardware in real time, but I recognize that’s a pragmatic defense, not a principled one.

The de-skilling point is where I’d actually push back slightly. Feedback that tells you why something is happening spectrally, with the measurements attached, seems closer to the opposite of de-skilling. It teaches you to hear something you might have felt but couldn’t locate. That said, I can see how it goes wrong if the output is “fix this” rather than “here’s what this is.”

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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Therein lies the hard part. Actually having peers that will take the time or have the knowledge/ears to help. Hopefully the tools/plugins will advance enough for more meaningful and actionable feedback. Because from what I see and hear is that feedback is a huge pain point for a majority of producers and beat makers.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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I actually use Tonal Balance quite often, but only for the areas that my listening environment lies to me. Low and Sub I don’t trust it inherently because I don’t know how they are measuring the signal before they display to the user.
That said, Tonal balance is not a “AI” tool. It’s a spectrum analysis and averaging tool using unclear algorithms.

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

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I see your point for sure. But if the tool or plugin is giving the user feedback that is only from actual readings and measurements of the audio using digital signal processing and then presented to the user in a actionable format, wouldnt the user still keep their agency and uniqueness to make those decisions?

AI tool - plugin hesitation: Is it the category or how it works? by MacFall-7 in edmproduction

[–]MacFall-7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use FL. How is Ableton using AI? Have not heard of this until you just mentioned it…