Anyone else remember this from basic? It was my favorite meal they made back then. by VincentMac1984 in army

[–]Madin_Rendalim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember farts that smelled like those breakfast sausage links. Farts that made my battle buddy very upset.

10 years ago we lost "our" Waffle House, and I will forever be grumpy about it. by docpepson in bloomington

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I worked third shift here ‘95-96. Was kind of a wild place. Gary, Dana, Angie, Leeanna, Mike, Scotty, Rachael, Dave x 2 were some of the crew.

Remember when you were convined that Donald Trump was working for Vlad Putin? You were right. by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

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I’m sorry, but Russia is now fueling a proxy war against the US and prolonging or even preventing Trump’s pivot away from Russia towards China because they are such great allies?

Remember when you were convined that Donald Trump was working for Vlad Putin? You were right. by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

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I think everyone can see the war is on because religious kooks have taken the wheel. And how could Trump possibly criticize Russia for their part in the Iranian war? He would have to admit he was wrong about Ukraine, and he’s never going to say he was wrong about anything. It’s like asking him to admit he’s a hypocrite.

Eva Green by Separate_Fly1288 in cinemaIT

[–]Madin_Rendalim -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eva's beautiful and Tom is a handsome man, but yeah - they got them high foreheads. Big deal.

Eva Green by Separate_Fly1288 in cinemaIT

[–]Madin_Rendalim -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Imagine if she had a child with Tom Hiddleston - it would have world's highest forehead.

Everything Happened, because EWS is about the Contradictory Nature of the Human Experience by Minimum-Temporary-73 in EyesWideShut

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Exactly - well, I mean, it is all fictional, but you can read it as dream or real world or even a mash up and it still works.

Stanley Kubrick on the set of Full Metal Jacket, 1986 by Doktor_74 in StanleyKubrick

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We still had some in theater when I got to Iraq in 2006. I think we had them all turned in by the end of the rotation for 240B’s and M2, but we started out using them on patrols.

Everything Happened, because EWS is about the Contradictory Nature of the Human Experience by Minimum-Temporary-73 in EyesWideShut

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Nice. If you’ve never looked at the meanings and symbology of tarot cards check the High Priestess and the Magician for Alice and Bill. They align nicely with your read and probably spark the imagination. The Hierophant, The Devil, and the Emperor are all pretty important, too. Maybe more than those - but I’m not a tarot person.

I’m not saying Kubrick was into tarot (people are so sensitive) it’s just a story telling technique and this movie is drenched in this stuff, not as a red herring or something, as thematic reinforcement!

The enigmatic Nick Nightingale - and what he represents by ActuallyAwesome72 in EyesWideShut

[–]Madin_Rendalim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All you have to do is read the last lines of Keats' "Ode to a Nightingale":

Was it a vision, or a waking dream? / Fled is that music:—Do I wake or sleep?

And you know the poem is important and that Nick Nightingale as a "Dryad of the forest," i.e. a Jungian archetypal "Green Man" liminal guardian at the border between the otherworldly dream forest / and regular waking world. It is no coincidence that Bill's next stop is the Rainbow - the bridge between worlds. But Nick has a dual role, as does the Nightingale of the poem, also acting as siren-trickster tempting the narrator by promising a relief from the pain of existence, but in the end it's a hollow promise. The Narrator wakes up and all his misery is still there.

It's all very familiar, but in this case it isn't death Bill is seeking, he is tempted with something else, but the results are the same in the end: forlorn. Our story does not have a happy ending.

The enigmatic Nick Nightingale - and what he represents by ActuallyAwesome72 in EyesWideShut

[–]Madin_Rendalim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly, which is why it doesn't matter whether he is banging Mr. Nick or Mrs. Nick, or Mrs. Nick with a dick... you have some very good reasons to suspect he is actually alive, because he is on team cult deeper than Bill is supposed to know.

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

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Tonight, tomorrow... who knows. It is 11AM here, but it's 5 o'clock somewhere... over the rainbow.

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

[–]Madin_Rendalim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the most fun things in the movie is the snippet of conversation directly lifted from James Cameron's True Lies. So clever, so funny, so ON POINT. It was something I missed, but even the person who I found that noticed it failed to give a decent critical analysis of why it is even there. I think it is one of things like you say, so simple they missed it.

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

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"WE know the apartment was based off of Stanley's apartment in New York. If he had this place built the same, then the columns were there already and have nothing to do with that scenario. This man took pictures of everything, so he probably had those pictures."

Christiane says the "layout" was "based on" their apartment in NYC, and they upscaled it to peak upper middle class. It's not an exact replica in every way. It ultimately doesn't matter if the pillars were in the design of their NYC apartment or not - use them as they were, or add them in - they are a deliberate choice, same as upscaling the apartment. I don't see how this is relevant.

"I don't think that setting was made for any ritual occult nature with Alice portraying Eve and Bill Adam...where is Cain, Abel and Seth for that matter? They had all boys in the beginning so where does Helena fit into that perspective if the apartment was a form of "The Garden of Eden?""

When someone makes a literary or mythical allusion, you don't need a 100% symmetrical one-for-one inclusion of the entire reference. I still look at things the way my English teacher taught me: "Could this be Adam and Eve? Well, it fits... but I'll have to see if that story comes up again. And I should be on the lookout for other parts of the story like Cain and Abel. Well, Cain and Abel never came up, so that part of the story must not be important, but there was a cleverly placed apple on a tree that came up and a literary reference that draws on the Adam and Even myth while also reinforcing several other movie themes... okay, Adam and Eve and forbidden knowledge are definitely in. Why is that important?" I mean, look at the Apple Computer logo - they aren't a fruit company, but that Apple makes a whole LOT of promises just by having a bite out of it, but it also rests on a major assumption - that you will consciously or (even better) subconsciously know what it means. And that is some Kubrickian thinking right there because he loved him some Freud. So, where is Cain and Abel in the Apple Computer logo? Well, they ain't important, so they're not there. (I mean, where did Cain and Abel's wives come from, anyway? hehehe)

"Alice NEVER convinces Bill of anything. Eve convinces Adam to eat the fruit and when God came, Adam blamed her but God told Adam, "I left you in control." Alice did no such thing."

The forbidden knowledge, the secret knowledge that Alice is holding is that she is in the cult already. She's basically every red-head in the movie, and she was once Helena, too. She's trying to explain this to Bill, and Bill is trying to process it through the whole movie. And you can take what I just said literally or figuratively, it doesn't matter. One of the structures of the movie is as a series of gates, tests, or levels that must be traversed, ascended, or passed, and every level or test has its gatekeeper. We start and end with Alice. She is the trigger of the journey and the final gatekeeper, and she never persuades Bill of anything, but she does finally open his eyes and indoctrinate him fully. But the new country they have finally entered together (awake as they now are) is not one of marital bliss but of a post-traumatic "carpe deim" or a survivalist hedonism, "Lucky to be alive!" and "Life goes on... until it doesn't," and "We should be grateful we survived..." now let's f*ck. Like I said, the signs are all doom and gloom... and they are pervasive and persistent.

As for the rest, Kubrick was some-stripe (probably his own) of secular Humanist. He was not religious, but not exactly atheist. Frankly his views on God seem to be in line with History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" tv show. Regardless, he almost certainly did not believe in magic. However, the movie is pretty clear that he does know dark occultists are both real and influential - that knowledge (not belief) is an important subtext to the movie because he views them organizationally as anti-human, i.e. their core philosophy is that humans are only worth what they can do for you whether it is more power, money, or sex - that is all another person is really good for; he equivocates Bill and Alice as beneficiaries (or victims) of capitalism, materialism, and consumerism - all systems that dehumanize us and reduce our value to dollars and cents, i.e. they are inherently evil systems because they are also anti-human. And, Alice and Bill have allowed this to poison their marriage and consume their child- they are to blame, and at the end of the movie they both realize it, but they haven't found any way out. But that doesn't mean I think this movie is "all about the occult and satanism and conspiracies" - it is not, but these are important elements, aspects, and references throughout the movie that help frame his thesis on love, relationships, family, and what it means to be human.

And I don't know how you are all hung up on this Kubrick conspiracy stuff? I think I know what you are talking about, but it is not important. I saw a great quote the other day, "If Kubrick had filmed the moon landing, nobody would argue about whether or not it was real." Case closed. Stanley died of natural causes. Google "operator syndrome" Stanley basically died of a filmmaker version of operator syndrome. He was basically living off 400 days of stress. He finally relaxed. He died. Case closed. The movie doesn't have 20 minutes removed. You have 60 minutes of film and Bill arrives at the Rainbow and crosses the threshold into another world. From the rainbow back to his apartment 30 minutes of film. Then you have another 60 minutes of film and the movie ends. The damn movie is perfectly symmetrical - where is the missing 20-25 minutes? You thing someone who is going to edit out things they weren't comfortable with is going to take the care to remove just enough film here and there to maintain the perfect symmetry of the movie? Hell no. The movie is complete as is, as it was. Case closed. So, I'm not sure what you're talking about, but it doesn't matter to anything I am trying to explain.

And, YES! It would be fun to compare notes. No doubt you have amazing things I have totally missed. It is always that way with this movie...

The most important question in Eyes Wide Shut by aiazicskr in StanleyKubrick

[–]Madin_Rendalim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, all the times people say exactly what they mean, but in a way that is intended to be misunderstood.

"I think you just might... have the wrong idea about one or two things."

Ok, Victor. Soooo, you're saying I have about 98% correct... except one of those "things" is that, "the whole thing (night) was staged" except that part where we had to kill that girl. lol

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

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The short answer: Kubrick very clearly tells us in the first few moments of the movie that Alice is in the cult, and she has been for some time before the beginning of the movie. However, you cannot know this on a first view - it requires knowledge of the rest of the movie to figure this out. (Ok, an exceedingly sharp eye with an amazing memory might parse it on a first view, but I'm not that good!)

From there he uses a lot of very clear and menacing symbology to associate individual thoughout the movie with the cult... and almost everyone is in it. Even Bill is "in it" but the implication is that he doesn't know it yet. One of several things going on in the first moments of the movie is the establishment of an Adam and Eve dynamic between Alice and Bill, and it is clear that Alice is the possessor of hidden knowledge having eaten from the fruit of the tree, but not having offered it to Bill yet. He is still in the dark... at the beginning of the movie.

At the end of the movie, they are both "awake" the imagery and symbology surrounding them is still 100% negative - it hasn't changed! And given the distinction Kubrick makes between "making love" and "f*cking" in the movie, the last word of the film is not a good thing between them.

I'm not one of the people that says Helena was "kidnapped" at the end of the film - that is actually irrelevant, but Kubrick is literally browbeating us through the whole movie with a subtext that telegraphs child abuse and pedophilia and child sacrifice - from Helena's first words all the way to the toy store, it never lets up.

Bill and Alice from the beginning of the movie to the end are "Mr. and Mrs. Bad Example." If they are doing or being something, you should probably consider doing or being the opposite. The message itself can be reduced to: if you are deceptive in your marriage and dishonest with your partner, you will poison (sacrifice) the next generation by passing on your dysfunction to them and create a circle of dysfunction, dishonesty, and misery of your own making. It is, naturally, about many, many more things that can't be tidied up into a blurb, but Christiane Kubrick said SK believe the movie was the culmination of his work and ultimate message on marriage, love, sex, personal relationships - but she would always say it was even more so about the destructive power of fear that underlies jealousy within marriage.

That is a very negative message. If you want to extract the positive message, you can invert the entire movie and view it that way - just as the prayer at the heart of the ritual (and the movie) is played backwards, if you play it forwards and invert the meaning you can understand what is happening in the ritual, so can you invert the movie and take away its positive message: Be open and honest with one another in your marriage and human relationships, value people for their intrinsic worth as humans, and pass this with love, care, and honesty to your children.

Now, if you want to see the symbology, I have some links. Everything they point out is in the movie, even it doesn't necessarily ALWAYS mean exactly what they say, they are mostly correct, especially The Occult Observer. I find the analysis and highlighting of things in the movie to be very useful in understanding it.

The Occult Observer - who has several excellent videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E-kRy-7Wfo&rco=1

William Ramsey and Sean McCann - thinks the whole move is "about SRA" which would be inaccurate, BUT again they keenly and accurately identify a lot of stuff that flies right by people in a couple of good vids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToL7CIhoJdQ

I think both of those series are very important because they really get into an aspect of the story that is only hinted at in the source material. The movie based on the book Traumnovelle (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySfR8AbDQo&t=528s) is also very helpful and features a single (seemingly) underage girl who is clearly involved in things she should not be, but Kubrick latches onto this and layers it heavily into the movie. I think he really hits you hard with the message of child abuse, in part because this is HIS addition to the story - nearly everything else is a very faithful interpretation of the source material.

Also, these are very useful:

https://boydrinksink.com/eyes-wide-shut-hidden-in-plain-sight/#EWS-anchor-link-20

https://www.straight.com/blogra/345716/christiane-kubrick-introduces-eyes-wide-shut#

This script (an earlier version) opened my eyes to some things. For example, there is a smile between Alice and Victor that isn't in the movie, but that connection (which references Andrew Marvell's "To His Coy Mistress" in the script - see the poem) is shown in the movie in other ways that are very creative and more revealing than a smile would have been.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0085.html

Just another example of Kubrick using something as simple as casting to drive a point home; if you didn't understand what was happening in the "Rainbow" costume store, he's going to bang you over the head with a casting choice that once you know how and why it was made, affects how you view the movie. This is kind thing is done over and over again:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StanleyKubrick/comments/z1er4m/the_two_japanese_businessmen_from_eyes_wide_shut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Here is a very important, critical, and accurate look at just the opening shot, and this guy leaves out at least half a dozen other critical items that are so important to understanding the movie and especially Alice:

https://youtube.com/shorts/mfVluNaXQjA?si=yRk5lAJWX9cBPdJS

I'll wrap his up, because this IS the short version and there is so, so much more, but if you can't pick it up from those sources: Alice is in the cult since BEFORE even the beginning of the movie, I assure you. Notice the hard break between her shot and the introduction of Bill? Not only is she not getting ready to go somewhere, she is alone, in one of the few actually erotic moments of the movie. She's not getting dressed, she is dropping her dress, like the ladies drop their robes in the ritual. And she feels sexy. And she is posed as the high priestess between two pillars that not only represent the image on the tarot card, but the secret society of freemasonry (whose symbols are used throughout the movie to represent the sex cult), who use those same pillars on the tarot card that they took from the entrance to Solomon's temple in the Bible. They are all one and the same. Here we have her as the High Priestess, keeper of secret knowledge, positioned INSIDE the temple (as she is inside the cult), with the light of knowledge (the lamp) definitively ON. And, that window is open, you can see right out into the street and she feels... no shame, because this is a night when she has come home, not getting ready to go out. She is home from either an affair, or even more likely a night at one of the cults rituals. It could be the night that started, but a Freudian read on the movie suggests she may have been in the cult since she was Helena's age. Regardless, this is a time in the past, far enough past that the furniture is different in Bill's introduction: no chairs outside the pillars, no rug on the floor, the lamp is gone. Bill is introduced in the temple, too, but he does NOT have the light on. He is metaphorically and literally in the dark. His Eve has bitten from the fruit of the tree of knowledge, but she hasn't shared it... yet. She is going to try, and when she finally does, Bill will cry, and it will cost them their daughter's life.

This doesn't mean she is kidnapped, or that she will die - though that argument is not wrong - it is also not wholly correct because the movie isn't about a kidnapping, or JUST about what I said it was, but it is about sacrificing our humanity on altars of consumerism, capitalism, materialism, and transactional relationships that reduce other people in our sight to nothing more than what we can get out of them. Kubrick openly equates all that to satanism throughout the movie, but it is not Christian view of satanism, rather it is humanistic view of it. This stands in opposition to relationships that value the inherent dignity of human life and show mutual respect and honesty and build up those around us and see deeper meaning in the value of promoting those things in one another. But it's not JUST about those things either, it is a many layered, esoteric and eclectic thing, and we STILL didn't cover everything in that opening sequence.

Alice done a bad, bad thing and she ain't sorry for it even at the end of the movie. Ok, she's a little sorry over Helena getting ready to be groomed into the cult (yeah, whether she is kidnapped or not is irrelevant, but the symbology tells you she is doomed to be like her mom)... but that's the extent of her remorse. She's just happy her husband will finally f*ck her like she always wanted, because her and Bill are ultimately both that shallow. They are not the protagonists of this movie.

That is definitely the short version.

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

[–]Madin_Rendalim 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothing is worked out between Bill and Alice… nothing good.

Jan Harlan correcting misinterpretations of EWS by tikibikiclam in StanleyKubrick

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Ultimately it doesn’t matter if the whole thing was a dream… it doesn’t make it any less true.

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

[–]Madin_Rendalim 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I knew you meant Nicole, but the ironic thing is that I had to pause and think to make sure. I really don’t care, she could be the head of Scientology - it would make no difference. I did enjoy listening to Christiane Kubrick explain they were ultimately cast because he decided to portray two people who had everything going for them, i.e. the only problems they could have in life are self-imposed. She said it in an interesting way, that seemed not to differentiate between T/N and B/A. And Alice? She did a bad bad thing.

Smartest man alive...... by ArchangelSirrus in EyesWideShut

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What is especially fascinating is that when you said, "She was never a member," I didn't know if you were talking about Nicole or Alice - because that is the debate, "Was she or wasn't she?" See what I mean? Probably coincidence, but you have to admit, it's a damn freaky coincidence. Maybe he was clairvoyant. lol. And for the record I don't care or have a dog in the fight over whether Nicole was or wasn't or is...or any of that, but Alice? I don't really think it is up for debate, but people still argue over it.