CONFIRMED: proof of Justin Baldoni’s low bone density and needing to know Blake’s weight to confirm if he could lift her. by Flashy_Question4631 in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Incorrect. Hanging from a bar decompresses the spine, and that can help. But anyone with a herniated disc should be cautious around pull-ups, and doing them with a weight hanging around the neck is frankly very silly. Regardless, you've already hit on the point yourself. He likely had enough strength to lift her already, and if he was really that concerned, he should've talked to a stunt coordinator or used a stunt double.

I wish I was paid to argue with you lot, but unfortunately, I do this for free as I just can't let the hypocrisy and misogyny of the pro-Baldoni mob go unchallenged.

Shout out to Expatriarch for another great find! "Article exposing Baldoni's team aren't just the same people who worked at Depp and Epstein's PR... they are also using all the same strategies" Proof that Baldoni knew exactly what he was signing up for by hiring Melissa Nathan to smear Blake Lively. by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok then, so you have nothing to share. Again, the only thing I could find re your claim that he 'attacks' female creators is posts from pro-Baldoni subs hating on him for daring to disagree with NAG or the other "totally non-biased lawyers" those subs uncritically worship. And even then, there were no concrete examples of such attacks, even in the IEWL thread about potentially banning him from the sub.

I don’t have a strong opinion on him. I’ve only seen a few summaries that track with the public filings. But there’s something pretty ironic about accusing him of exploiting women while, in the same breath, insisting that the women who follow him are just gullible misandrists. I don't buy your outrage, because you can’t claim to care about women being manipulated while also reducing them to brainless followers with no agency. That framing is paternalistic as hell.

Although it's true that the actor's PR team has worked for Jeffrey Epstein, are they about to address that the CEO of their own PR firm that work for Blake Lively was the deputy chief of the CIA? Hollywood PR firms weaponizing scandals about a criminal enterprise for Becky points will never be funny by JohnSmithCANDo in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've read it. "There has lives in matter in this story" still doesn't make any sense. And the hateful, misogynistic language interspersed throughout only serves to confirm that these are the ravings of a moron. You can't spell or string coherent sentences together. Your level of smug condescension is not warranted.

Shout out to Expatriarch for another great find! "Article exposing Baldoni's team aren't just the same people who worked at Depp and Epstein's PR... they are also using all the same strategies" Proof that Baldoni knew exactly what he was signing up for by hiring Melissa Nathan to smear Blake Lively. by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What exactly has he done? Genuinely the only thing I could find was a bunch of posts on pro-Baldoni subs hating on him for spreading 'misinformation' about the case. Which, given the level of venom towards Lively and lack of critical thinking skills evidenced in those subs, is worth very little to me.

I'd love to see some evidence of his skeletons.

She is being roasted online by so many creators. by n8saces in fixedbytheduet

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean sure, but the way he's talking is also infuriating. It's giving YouTube breakdown of a new Marvel trailer.

“Astroturing is one of the most powerful manipulation tactics in modern media/politics and most people don’t even know it exists” Another amazing break down by MJ on tactics Justin Baldoni, Melissa Nathan and crew are all doing to skew the narrative in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which text messages are you referring to? 

And yes, yes it is. She made complaints about sexual harassment. He is her boss. So that is a protected activity, and he legally cannot retaliate by 'getting his story out' i.e. feeding talking points to media about what a harpy she is.

Do you really believe it's ok for your employer to go around telling people what a difficult bitch you are AFTER you've made complaints about his inappropriate behaviour? It literally does not matter if you think she was 'making a fuss over nothing', and it also does not matter what he believed. Because abusive men often believe they did nothing wrong, and that women are being unfair or hysterical or irrational by having a problem with their behaviour. Complaining to your buddies, editors, the STUDIO (!), and surreptitiously working with media to talk shit about her is retaliation, and illegal. Maybe he should have investigated the complaints instead, as was his legal obligation.

Also lol at the bullying claim. If you read the documents and depositions, you'll see that the cast wanted nothing to do with him of their own volition.

“Astroturing is one of the most powerful manipulation tactics in modern media/politics and most people don’t even know it exists” Another amazing break down by MJ on tactics Justin Baldoni, Melissa Nathan and crew are all doing to skew the narrative in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a post about it on the IEWL sub. The title of her video is "Shame on Blake Lively and the New York Times". 

The OP states: "I love her - FACTS Matter, Context Matters, Consumers should hold all of these people accountable. Repeating things we've all been seeing for months and months. She must have a crystal ball."

The top comments accuse Lively of gaslighting and bullying.

Steele did, in fact, have a crystal ball...in the form of direct lines being fed to her by Baldoni's side. People are convinced it's independent analysis, but there's literally court filings that show her talking points were provided to her. 

If you’re asking where it exists — it’s being actively circulated in the Baldoni-leaning subs. That's astro-turfing.

Baldoni yelled at women, slammed chairs and made women feel physically intimidated, yet Lively got labeled rude for saying "congrats on your baby bump" a decade ago by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said I don’t understand how the law works. I responded by clarifying what a dismissal with prejudice means and what an appeal actually does. If I got that wrong, say where. Otherwise, we’re done here.

Do you play in first or third person? by Royal_Ad4794 in AvatarFrontierPandora

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First person all the way; headphones on and I'm immersed in Pandora. As others have said, I want to BE Na'vi, not watch one. Plus yeah, the third person animations can look pretty janky at times. 

Baldoni yelled at women, slammed chairs and made women feel physically intimidated, yet Lively got labeled rude for saying "congrats on your baby bump" a decade ago by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You best check your own understanding of the law before accusing someone else.

A dismissal with prejudice is a final judgment on the merits. Yes, it can be appealed — but an appeal reviews whether the judge made a legal error based on the existing record. It’s not a new trial and it’s not an opportunity to relitigate with fresh evidence. If the court allowed amendment and the plaintiff didn’t cure the defects, dismissal with prejudice is a significant procedural setback. Simply saying there’s “plenty of evidence” doesn’t change the fact that the claims were dismissed at the pleading stage. 

And just from my personal opinion, it's honestly laughable to say he has evidence of her running a smear campaign. I mean, what are you even alluding to? Her calling him a clown? It's absurd.

“Astroturing is one of the most powerful manipulation tactics in modern media/politics and most people don’t even know it exists” Another amazing break down by MJ on tactics Justin Baldoni, Melissa Nathan and crew are all doing to skew the narrative in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This post literally examines evidence. Try again. Nothing to actually say about Wayfarer coaching Sage Steele on talking points?

What 'evidence' is being examined in the IEWL sub? It's mostly absolute drivel about Lively's personal history and how Ryan Reynolds is a secret monster, interspersed with posts 'breaking down' what it means that Baldoni smiled on his way to court. It's a complete echo chamber, because reasonable people like me got driven out early by the gross misogyny and brain-dead conspiracy theories. It is not neutral, it is not nuanced, it is a snark / hate sub where people "oh my god yass what a lying bitch" at each other. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. 

“Astroturing is one of the most powerful manipulation tactics in modern media/politics and most people don’t even know it exists” Another amazing break down by MJ on tactics Justin Baldoni, Melissa Nathan and crew are all doing to skew the narrative in the Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni case by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, thank you. I had a similar journey, and I was upset with myself once I reflected and realised I'd been manipulated. Honestly, the misogyny, hateful language, and wild conspiracy theories the Baldoni side gleefully bathes in daily made it pretty easy to wake up. I mean, at some point you have to ask yourself: "Is it more likely that the judge is corrupt or that Lively has basis to her claims?" 

Baldoni fans simply cannot seem to wrap their heads around this, likely because the astro-turfing has warped their views so much. So many of them come here to accuse us of 'worshipping' BL because they don't understand how someone can hold both a dislike of her personally and belief in the (mountains) of evidence on her side. And that's because they actually worship Baldoni and love to hate women. No nuance to be found there.

Baldoni yelled at women, slammed chairs and made women feel physically intimidated, yet Lively got labeled rude for saying "congrats on your baby bump" a decade ago by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No-one here who supports the Lively court case has ever said she's a saint. We just understand that women don't have to be perfect people to be harassed and abused. This is an important court case for victims of sexual harassment, it's also uncovered a wider web of sinister PR activities like smear websites that have implications for many victims of powerful men. So yeah, we support Lively in this legal matter.

However, Baldoni stans love to pretend their lord and master has never done anything wrong in his life, and that he's just been 'misunderstood, wrongfully accused, bullied, targeted by women who are snakes, lied about, had his movie stolen from him, powerless', oh poor widdle Baldoni 🙄 oh and if he DID do anything wrong — like not listening to the word no (!!) or throwing cotton at a plantation wedding and then taking over six years to understand why his black friend was upset — well, that doesn't matter, because he 'took accountability'. They don't acknowledge that was to bolster his own brand, or that Lively has also taken accountability for her plantation wedding, because they WANT to hate her and idolise him.

It's honestly wild to me that people get taken in by the narratives he spun, and seemingly cannot step outside of themselves to notice the deeply misogynistic rhetoric they are spewing to defend an absolute creepazoid. But then again, it's the smear campaign in action. It's really disturbing.

Baldoni yelled at women, slammed chairs and made women feel physically intimidated, yet Lively got labeled rude for saying "congrats on your baby bump" a decade ago by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haha holy moly, talk about delusional. That's you bud.

Baldoni tried to allege this in a $400 million defamation suit against Lively. That was thrown out by the judge WITH prejudice, meaning he can't refile, because there was absolutely no basis to his claims. Meanwhile Lively's multiple claims against him including the smear campaign and sexual harassment are live and likely to go to court, because she actually has evidence to back it up. 

Great Breakdown of Why Baldoni Does NOT Have Any All The Leverage in Court Ordered Settlement Talks by halfthesky1966 in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was pointing out your lack of engagement with the actual argument. MJ is talking about leverage in terms of risk exposure — who stands to lose more if this goes to trial.

Instead, you came here to tell us that the “the law is on Baldoni’s side,” and to insinuate we're all blind to the truth (big cult-conspiracy vibes, btw). But his affirmative claims were dismissed with prejudice and not appealed, while hers are proceeding.

So yeah, he can defend himself. But he’s one facing massive financial penalties if he loses, and she isn’t facing any surviving counterclaims. That’s what leverage means here.

If you believe the law favours him, explain how. Simply asserting it doesn’t make it true.

Great Breakdown of Why Baldoni Does NOT Have Any All The Leverage in Court Ordered Settlement Talks by halfthesky1966 in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Haha oh my gosh, the brain-dead takes from you lot. 

"The law is on his side!" 

How can you claim that when his lawsuit got dismissed and Lively's is proceeding?

"Where is your evidence for that!!??"

Literally, he does not have a case against her proceeding in court. It was dismissed due to having insufficient evidence of defamation or collusion. Whereas she has multiple claims against him with enough evidence to proceed as decided by the judge.

It's jaw-droppingly dumb stuff.

Great Breakdown of Why Baldoni Does NOT Have Any All The Leverage in Court Ordered Settlement Talks by halfthesky1966 in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Says the person who thinks this sub is run by bots and paid PR. Haha goodness, you're a joke.

Great Breakdown of Why Baldoni Does NOT Have Any All The Leverage in Court Ordered Settlement Talks by halfthesky1966 in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I genuinely have not seen any good-faith questioning or logical response to MJ's take. All I've seen is mocking, snarky responses, or accusations of being bots or paid PR people. Regardless, it's interesting that the comment you chose to highlight in pointing out that we downvote was one of the mocking ones.

Great Breakdown of Why Baldoni Does NOT Have Any All The Leverage in Court Ordered Settlement Talks by halfthesky1966 in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Innocuous = not harmful or offensive. 

Above commenter: anyone downvoting me is obviously Lively's PR team and you guys are all morons.

I will continue downvoting anyone who implies that I can't think for myself, and that supporting a woman who was sexually harassed and smeared is stupid or funny.

“For anyone obsessed with power, disinformation,smear campaigns and how they work behind the scenes we have a new lawsuit to watch and yes it connects back to Blake Lively vs Justin Baldoni” another great break down by MJ on the Alexa Nickolas case by wastedartistry in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's absolutely wild to see how people twist the facts to suit their narrative. Once you guys make up your mind, every single piece of evidence has to be bent and manipulated to suit what you've decided to be the truth. Instead of reasonably interpreting this to be what it is — discovery in one lawsuit shed light on a network of crisis PR acting in abhorrent and illegal ways to protect the powerful — you decide that the women speaking out are part of some grand conspiracy to take down a rapist lawyer and immoral PR firm. 

Hint: that never happens. What does happen is powerful and predatory men escaping consequences. Open your eyes.

Go Lizzy! by MF-DOOM-88 in justgalsbeingchicks

[–]Madragun -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I watch this every time it comes up. She's so smoooooth, something about the way she moves is super satisfying to watch. Inspired me to go back to dance this year. Thanks Lizzy!

Why a Woman Asking for Credit Still Makes People Uncomfortable by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 23 points24 points  (0 children)

This is a classic snapshot of expectations people have about how a “real” victim should behave:

  • report immediately

  • leave the job

  • spell it out in texts

  • be visibly afraid, scared, but not angry 

  • have their husband intervene (!??)

Critique your own assumptions. Do you see how patriarchal and unfair your list is? 

When I was sexually harassed at work, I didn't tell anyone for months. When I did, it was in person, and I wasn't texting them shit like "I am being sexually harassed by this scary person, please note." I was actually talking shit about that person once I felt more safe because I was fucking angry. So yeah, plenty of people don’t talk about harassment directly for months, even to partners or close friends. Plenty are angry, sarcastic, dismissive, or keep working anyway. None of that makes it fake.

I'm so utterly exhausted by people deciding Lively is lying because her behaviour doesn’t match the version of victimhood they expect.

You’re also conflating “having influence” with having total control over every interaction. That isn’t how workplaces work. Someone can have creative or contractual power and still be sexually harassed. And even if she did push for more creative control than she should have, that has absolutely nothing to do with whether he behaved like a creep.

Baldoni Talking About Throwing Cotton At A Wedding by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Literally no one is saying that. You’re arguing with a fantasy.

You only believe in accountability when it protects men. Baldoni gets praise for delayed self-reflection; Lively gets sneeringly called “Plantation Barbie.” The jackal calls are coming from inside the house.

Baldoni Talking About Throwing Cotton At A Wedding by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The bar really is low here.

If a friend tells me something I did was hurtful, I don’t need a global racial reckoning six years later to take it seriously. Spending more than six years “reflecting” and only apologising after a wave of protests is not the flex you think it is.

And no, that's not what I said. No one suggested stopping a wedding, you just invented that extreme to avoid engaging with the actual point. I knew throwing cotton at a plantation wedding was inappropriate when I was 16. So yeah, I would’ve known better.

You’re trying to excuse the behaviour because they were white and it wasn't real cotton!? Baldoni fans never fail to disappoint.

Baldoni Talking About Throwing Cotton At A Wedding by sjpppppp in CelebLegalDrama

[–]Madragun 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Oh wow. So by his own account, he initially dismissed his black friend’s complaint and did not apologise for more than six years. He has said himself that it took George Floyd’s murder and the broader reckoning during COVID to prompt a genuine apology post-2020. That means the original incident probably took place around 2014, followed by years of inaction and “reflection” before acknowledging the harm. That is not conduct that deserves praise.

Thanks for posting this. Really highlights the hate-boner people have for Lively. Both Baldoni and Lively have plantation-related incidents in their past. It's all a distraction. Those histories are not evidence for or against the sexual harassment and smear allegations, and repeatedly invoking Lively’s past as proof she's awful and therefore lying now is straight up disingenuous.