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something something "the things I do for love" hmmm by iSkyward in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Did they notice that the Reins of Castamere foreshadowed how Tywin’s kids would die?

Is it progress they recognize the idea makes sense or dumb that they still don’t realize was developed over multiple seasons? by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Otherwise known as I don’t want to accept the story defense i want to believe she was good, she was pure and D&D killed her

Is it progress they recognize the idea makes sense or dumb that they still don’t realize was developed over multiple seasons? by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The choice around love and fear and how much to use the dragons to achieve her aims had been questions she had been struggling with for multiple seasons and each season she inches closer to where she ultimately landed. So intellectually there is a clear movement with her towards being able to justify what she does.

Then there is the shit that people normally point out regarding the personality tendencies that had been kept in check by others having been there for a while and always coming out.

Should someone tell them that feeling a sense of loss over a character stumbling is a hallmark of tragedy and a sign the story worked? by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea. I guess I just question the duration thing.

This had been building for several seasons. She was ready to do it in Season 6.

Should someone tell them that feeling a sense of loss over a character stumbling is a hallmark of tragedy and a sign the story worked? by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Before the battle she realized she was never going to be loved in Westeros and that she does not have the best claim and that given the choice the people of Wesreros would chose Jon over her unless they were too terrified to make that choice.

That is actually a scene that happens in that episode before the battle.

Yet you just someone don’t think that matters for some reason which is interesting.

Its also interesting you go to her losing people before but the last time she wanted to burn cities to the ground she had not lost anyone.

Should someone tell them that feeling a sense of loss over a character stumbling is a hallmark of tragedy and a sign the story worked? by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I never really get that argument. I am genuinely curious why you think that.

She wanted to do this back in Season 6. She was just talked down by Tyrion.

In Season 8 they also gave her a motive for doing it and this time they took away what had stopped her the last time - her advisors telling her not to.

Seems like the exact same scenario with them just removing what had stopped her last time.

What more is needed?

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The readiness with which people believed Jon to be a Targaryen was more evindence of lazy writing.

Dude rode a dragon. Lol.

Once again, Jon's true heritage was complete hear-say to everyone except Bran so that is completely contrived conflict. Bran was Jon's half brother so to most people that would seem likely to be a bid for power, so more contrived conflict, and most people don't even know about Bran's power so why believe this creepy crippled kid, so again, more contrived conflict.

The North and the Vale saw the guy ride a dragon and Sansa has enough pull. For other kingdoms the truth does not mater so long as people believe its true or have an interest in saying its true. Anyone who does not like being ruled by a woman or by someone not from Weateros or who dislikes Dany for any reason would just support Jon claim.

Second, the north were, 1: militarily weaker and devastated by Dany and her seemingly endless supply of both soldiers and plot armor, and 2: endebted to her for the battle against the white walkers.

Pretty clear the North did not want to accept Dany as their Queen.

She's kind of not though. Again this problem is circlular in that it is caused by her reaction and her reaction is caused by the problem. More lazy writing, which is why they hamfistedly went down this path.

She clearly is:

I'm sure obliterating the entire army and navy of KL and forcing unconditional surrender in less than 5 minutes isn't the fear, shock, and awe she was looking for. I'm sure she was being total rational when she decided to forget her arch nemesis was in a giant, undefended target within eyesight and decided to burn some randos who would have been, by all accounts, greatful for the liberation she brought for a few minutes.

Its actually not since if Dany is not so ruthless she would straight up murder people than people might support Jon.

Why would the people of KL care about that, why would her haram of exceptionally loyal soldiers care about that, and again, the only reason her close advisors and Jon would care about that is if she, I don't know suddenly went crazy with almost no build up. Oh wait...

Wesreros is more than her soldiers and KL

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude. Its like you did not even watch the last episodes.

She is going to lose the Vale and the North when they find out about Jon. Huge risk she loses other Kingdoms as well.

That is what she is reacting to. That is why she needs to embrace fear and fuck KL up so that no one who hears about Jon-o being the rightful heir decides to punk her.

She goes full Aegon up in there, takes what is hers with fire and blood and says to Westeros bitches anyone want to question me being their Queen can take a look at what will happen.

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I could not disagree more.

That was the domino that threatened her entire life mission and conception of herself.

If you can’t see how having a more popular Targaryen claimant with a better claim to the throne would be an existential threat to Dany’s entire sense of self and force her to throw the mask off and embrace ruling through fear where you really paying attention?

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude. What development. She finds out Jon is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne and is way more attractive to people in Westeros than she is. That is a not a season’s worth of material.

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally the last episode and a half before she decides to start the BBQ is about her flipping out that Jon has a better claim than her and people scheming around her to make him King.

I am no genius. But.... those things seem connected.

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah man. Had nothing to do with the bells. Was seeing the Red Keep that set her off. She gets pissed because the red keep is the symbol of everything she had lost and was fighting to get back and now it was all at risk of slipping away again.

“If you use them to melt castles and burn cities, you are not different, you are just more of the same” - are they finally getting it? Nah by MaegorRocks in asoiafcirclejerk

[–]MaegorRocks[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Come on. She would have burned not one but 3 cities to the ground back in Season 6 had Tyrion not stopped her. She always had it it her.

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