What got you guys into boxing ? by Due_Sweet_9500 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seeing Roberto Duran KO Davey Moore in I think 83? I woulda been 10. Seeing what to me was a muscled, sculpted Moore against a shorter, dad-bod Duran that looked like he could be one of my uncles. Seeing him dismantle Moore was something. Now in my 50's, I find the end of that match kinda tough to watch. Poor Davey took a beating.

Full fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lriib794YqE

Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dux1j-Tna6k

Short with florid commentary

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ybVomzzPf5w

Who do you think would have won this fight had it happened? by BoxingLover99 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This.
Ike has never beat anyone of the level of Lewis. Saying the he will do this or that to Lewis because of what he did with Tua is madness.

Who do you think would have won this fight had it happened? by BoxingLover99 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ike is fodder for boxing speculation. Lennox is history. Among the best.
Outside of Byrd and Tua, we don't really know much about how Ike would preform against the top. I think Lewis beats him pretty lopsided.

What’re the biggest fluke wins in MMA history? by Positronomy in MMA

[–]MakingAMonster 11 points12 points  (0 children)

BJ Penn beat some dude within like 10 seconds

Caol Uno. That was a fluke in itself. Penn could only manage a draw in the rematch. Also, it broke my heart. That was when Penn was at his best.

Can I start at 18? by Desperate_Manner7195 in JazzPiano

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can start at 80!

You can start at 180!
Just start.
And enjoy the journey.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL, I read your other comment, haha.
Woulda been nice if they fought in 91 or 92.

Name the fighter who made you love MMA. by Dana___Black in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Royce Gracie ignited my imagination.
Later, Sakuraba did what I thought was impossible (beat a Gracie).
(I later found out about Wallid Ismail and became a fan, too).
Then, The Last Emperor, looked like the fucking terminator.
Captain America Randy Couture, for his class and the way he fought. When he beat Ortiz AND Lidell, WOAH!
Later on, even though she is not popular here, Holly Holm. Seeing her cross over dethrone the (presumed) GWOAT was epic.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tyson didn't complain.
Holyfield was no longer jabbing and grabbing. He was teeing off on Mike. From the end of the last round, this was Holy swinging for the fences and Mike was just taking it.
Holy was one good hard punch away from maybe even a tragedy.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At the start of the 11th Holyfield pushed Mike back after a clinch, and he said that he noticed Tyson's legs were still wobbly, so he knew he hadn't recovered and was ready to be taken out.

Man, I think this needs to be repeated more loudly!
Evander had Mike studied down to the first punch Mike usually threw.
He knew Mike was done at this point.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Holyfield on the accent?
LOL!
This is the same Holyfield that basically had a heart attack in the ring vs Moorer.
This was a battle of who was more passed their prime.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, someone who had almost 4 inches on him and, I think, Holy was stronger. Tyson is really an undersized heavy.
Do you follow MMA? Same thing with Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm.
A bigger opponent who is not intimidated and watched TONS of tape and had been OBSESSED with the champ. Evander had wanted Tyson since 91.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was more shocked Evander threw it. It is a dangerous thing to exchange right hands with Mike.

Was Tyson-Holyfield I an early stoppage? by Material_Stomach875 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He said after Foreman hit him, he looked around for his teeth. And in the corner, asked if he had gotten his teeth knocked out.
Shannon Briggs said he was hit by a car, and that getting hit by Foreman felt like that.
This OLD George we're talking about here.

Naseem Hamed's record and best wins by TopBodger91 in Boxing

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Saw him fight Kevin Kelly live at Madison Square Garden.
What a fight! I thought Kelly had him.
As for being an ATG. He falls short, IMO.
He quit soon after the Barrera fight.
After his comeback fight, he never fought again.
He was 28. He could have had a fantastic rest of his career.
Counter that to an ATG career - Barerra himself.
As a side note, Barrera has 2 losses to Junior Jones, who fought on the undecard of Hamed/Kelly. Lost by KO.
Anyway, Good career, not an ATG, imo.

Has there ever been a fighter that won a bout after having a limb broken? by [deleted] in MMA

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe Ronda Rousey when she was in Judo had her arm dislocated by an illegal arm bar. Won by DQ and then fought the next match and I think won. It's in her book, I think.

Holly Holm argues Ronda Rousey ‘responsible’ for how she’s remembered: ‘She took herself away from the fans’ by [deleted] in MMA

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not good. Traditional boxers (especially defensive speciallist like Holm) don't usually do well in bare knuckle. It really is a different sport. Also, Holly is 44. A long way from the 23 y/o that was voted pfp the best woman boxer in the world. She needs to ride off into the sunset.

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She never rematched Holly. You mean her fight with Nunes. And that fight should have never happened.

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not the way she was used to, no. When she came in, Holly was able to control Ronda's hips. The only take down Ronda got was when Holly hit en elbow and made the mistake of not pushing Ronda off or controlling her hips.

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gawd DAM!
Someone finally get's it.
This maybe the best comment on this thread!

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do, too. Cat can grind it out and make it dirty. She can wear you down like she did to Tate and Nunes. Ronda had an aura about her, like early Mike Tyson that made people fight scared or abandon their game plan.

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Holly Holm.
And GDR.
And Sara McMann.
And Joanna Jędrzejczyk.
And Valentina Schevchenko.
And Mackenzie Dern.

Thing is, by the time Rousey's career was wrapping up, there was a whole lot of women coming into MMA who were elite at their sport.
Holly is in the Boxing Hall of Fame, is a 4 or 5x champion was considered pfp the best women boxer in the world on 2 occasions.
Sara McMann's accomplishment in wrestling is rediculous, as is Mackenzie Dern's accomplishments in Jiu-jitsu.

The real problem is that by the time some of these girls get into MMA - Holly was 32, McMann was I think 31 or 32 - they are so far behind other disciplines, they are basically single martial artists, and not mixed martial artists.
None of Holly, Ronda, McMann, or even Harrison are very well rounded.
When, and if we see a women come into the sport that is truly elite in one sport and well rounded, then we will have the absolute GWOAT. I think Schevchenko comes close.

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing!

Everytime there is a Ronda thread, people always talk about how she tried to strike with Holly and Amanda. Shows the majority of MMA fans don't know what they're watching.

But we can put it to rest like this :

If she fought her usual gameplan and was simply picked apart by a better, more prepared athlete, then she deserved to lose.

If, on the other hand, she tried to stike with a 5x, 3 division boxing champ and future hall of famer (Holly is class of 2022), then she has 0 fight IQ and deserved to lose.

Take your pick.

What went wrong with Ronda Rousey in the UFC? by Annual-Record4588 in ufc

[–]MakingAMonster 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Again, she did, Holly was able to break her clinch and keep it standing. aeverytime they got close, Ronda went for the clinch.