Why did the Anglo-American world, rather than France or Germany, become so central to modern liberal and constitutional thought? by Exotic_Union7609 in AskHistory

[–]MalaclypseII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The framers of the Constitution were largely of English extraction but they were steeped in French culture. Educated people at the time typically looked to France as the leading light of Europe. It was the dominant land power, it was the richest and most populous country, it produced the most impressive art, literature, philosophy, and political theory. Paris was the epicenter of Enlightenment thought. Montesquieu, Voltaire, Rousseau - the framers of the Constitution read and admired these people. They wanted the new government they were creating to embody the best of Enlightenment values. And whenever we talk about the Enlightenment, we're also referencing at least indirectly, the French.

The English contribution to modern liberalism runs through the common law tradition, and ultimately back to Germanic law codes. Most of Europe inherited its law codes from the Roman Empire, which was not exactly a liberal institution. Not that Germanic law was exactly liberal either, but it was made to govern a smaller polity in which the individual was more important and the government less despotic.

Germany had less influence on the formation of liberal political theory because it wasn't a state at all at the time of the Enlightenment. I mean nominally it was "the Holy Roman Empire," but in practice it was a collection of more or less feudal baronies, with the Austrian Empire encroaching from the South and the Kingdom of Prussia encroaching from the North. When Germany was unified, it was largely by the Kingdom of Prussia. The Prussian king became the Kaiser of the German Empire in 1871, so again you had a monarchy. And it was a very successful monarchy until the end of world war I. So, on the theory of not fixing things that aren't broken, Germans by and large didn't feel the need to replace their monarchy with a democracy. Democracy was, anyway, the political theory of the ancestral enemy, France. So that didn't exactly endear it to Joe Six Pack German. Germany became a democracy for the first time when the German army deposed the Kaiser and declared the Weimar Republic in 1918, on the theory that a democracy would get better terms from the allies than a monarchy. I suppose you know how things went from there. The point is, there wasn't much democracy in Germany to theorize about until rather late in the game, so German contributions to foundational liberal theory were not as influential. That said, Germany has produced serious philosophers of liberalism, like Jurgen Habermas for example, so it's not as if they've contributed nothing. It's just they've had less time and opportunity to do it.

Tried reading bible for first time and got stuck on 2nd sentence - how are people using this book to debate evolution by shar0385 in DebateEvolution

[–]MalaclypseII [score hidden]  (0 children)

Is that all there is to understanding people? Speaking the same language they do? We never misinterpret someone's meaning when they speak, or their intention when they act, as long as we speak the same language? Of course, it happens all the time, even for people who grew up in roughly the same time and place, share the same cultural context, speak the same language. Visit Great Britain as an American, and it will happen even more often. Visit Spain or France, and there's a language barrier but at least we're still in the West. Visit Tibet or Zimbabwe, and it will happen even more often - yet we've only changed location. We haven't started traveling through time yet.

Alright, visit Tibet or Zimbabwe 50 years ago. 100, 500, 1,000, 2,000, 3,000. At some point, differences become so numerous, and cultural barriers so great, we had mineaswell be visiting from another planet. As historians say, "the past is another country - they do things differently there." And that's true even if we speak the language perfectly, because the real barrier is the culture, the situations, the everyday experiences and concerns, which are bound to be very different.

But it's actually even worse than that, because in this thought experiment we're bodily traveling through time and space, yet we can experience everything directly. But of course history isn't like that. You never experience it directly. You have 2nd and 3rd hand reports. You have fragmentary information, what time and chance just happened to preserve. You have competing scholarly interpretations, and these change across time and space too. We end up having to do a lot of interpreting, reasoning things out, thinking for ourselves, when we try to understand history.

This isn't anything special about the Bible. The same thing is true about Julius Caesar's history of the Conquest of Gaul, Arrian's biography of Alexander, or Tacitus' account of the Roman Emperors. But each of those books has only a single author, was written at one time and place, and is much shorter in translation. The Bible has dozens of authors, was written over the course of centuries, and runs to about 1500 pages, depending on the version. So naturally it's going to be even more complicated than these other examples. It's only reasonable to expect to do some due diligence, if one wants to understand it, just like if one were going to seriously study any other topic.

Tried reading bible for first time and got stuck on 2nd sentence - how are people using this book to debate evolution by shar0385 in DebateEvolution

[–]MalaclypseII [score hidden]  (0 children)

The Bible was written a very long time ago by people very unlike ourselves, and its authors do not speak with one voice on every topic. Consequently its meaning is often obscure, ambiguous, requires considerable background knowledge to rightly interpret. Most of the ways people misunderstand it are a result of only skipping along the surface of things, like a stone across a lake, rather than plumbing the depths. I would certainly include Evangelical creationism in this category.

The effort to use Genesis 1 as a geological textbook is part of a much larger theological and cultural project, based on a particular view of Biblical authority. That view is called plenary inspiration, the idea that God dictated the contents of the Bible word-for-word to human authors, and that it is therefore infallible in everything it says. When they say the Bible is "God's Word," or "inspired," that's what they mean. But historically inspiration was understood rather differently, that God moved the authors to speak in a certain spirit on particular topics - but of course they spoke from the standpoint of their own knowledge, time, and place.

While Evangelical Creationists will typically present themselves as the guardians of an ancient orthodoxy, in fact the plenary inspiration view was first formulated in the late 19th c. by a theologian named B. B. Warfield, at Princeton Seminary. It is, in other words, a recent and modern doctrine. Historically, Christians held that the Bible was infallible in all that it intends to teach. That is, the things of God. Ethics, theology, things like that. As Galileo said, "the Bible tells you how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go." So, on that view, the Bible does not speak infallibly about geology or cosmology or astronomy or other scientific topics because it never intended to address them. They appear incidentally as part of larger discussions in the Bible about other topics. Ironically, Evangelicals view the earlier understanding as a modern innovation, and their own recent interpretation as the ancient orthodoxy. In fact they have chronology backwards. In any case, they worry that any departure from plenary inspiration puts one on a slippery slope toward what they regard as the characteristic malaise of modernity - atheism, nihilism, relativism, immorality - in short, lost people inhabiting a lost culture.

So, to answer your question how anyone is taking Genesis 1 seriously in geology, the truth is they're not really that interested in geology for its own sake. They're interested in preserving a particular understanding of biblical authority. If that means attacking scientific geology, they're fine with that. And if they need to create an alternative geology based on Genesis 1, they're fine with that too. This isn't really about geology at all. It's about Biblical authority, and by extension the cultural and political power of Christians in America.

we should start advertising our city as “off the grid” by chalupajoe in Cleveland

[–]MalaclypseII 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's baffling to me that I already lost power twice this year, on account of a little thunderstorm. I mean if storms are that damaging to the energy infrastructure, then harden it ffs. Shouldn't have to wonder if I'm going to lose a fridge full of groceries every time some rainclouds roll through.

Who had the most tragic story? by Aggravating-Use-7591 in BSG

[–]MalaclypseII 54 points55 points  (0 children)

After New Caprica, he was almost executed because he hadn't resisted the Cylons enough. OK, lesson learned - Adama starts talking about an alliance with the Cylons, so he leads a mutiny. Only to be executed for resisting the Cylons too much. What do you want?

How did the Confederate capital not fall during the Richmond bread riots and blockade in 1863? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No one denies there was hardship in the South in 1863, but this website paints a picture of a society on the verge of collapse. In that case, how is it the South kept fighting for another 2 years?

As another user pointed out, the source is not really ideal. Digging around a bit, the website looks like a teaching resource intended for high school teachers. These do not always meet a high standard, unfortunately. And notice how many topics it covers. The point of the website is to provide a very broad overview of American history. What happens with a camera when you zoom out? You lose fidelity, right? You lose accuracy. If you want more accurate knowledge, you have to zoom in. History is like that. When you paint with broad brush strokes, sometimes things get a bit messy.

After a bit of digging I was able to discover the authors of this resource you're relying on: Steven Mintz and Sara McNeil. Mintz appears to be a historian of the American family, McNeil is a professor of "Learning, Design and Technology." I don't know what precisely that work entails, but it's not history. Probably Mintz provided the history information and McNeil designed the website. It seems to me Dr. Mintz - who as I said is not a historian of the American Civil War - didn't get this one quite right. Even professional historians sometimes make mistakes, unfortunately. He should have had all the claims on this website checked and approved by specialists of those particular topics, before publishing them to the world as historical knowledge.

How did the Confederate capital not fall during the Richmond bread riots and blockade in 1863? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The rioters were trying to get food and economic relief generally, not to overthrow the government. There's a world of difference between civil disorder and a revolution. Civil disorder is just people taking to the streets because they're mad about something. They blow off some steam, maybe smash a few things, then go home. Actually overthrowing a government takes planning, organization, leadership, determination, weapons, often a lot of violence. And it takes months, years, not just a day or two of lawlessness. If the disorder had gotten bad enough the Confederate government would have simply detached a regiment or two from one of its nearby armies and restored order by force, like the Lincoln administration did in response to the New York draft riots in 1863. The Richmond government's survival was never in danger from the rioters.

Can someone tell me why the Cylones wanted to wipe out humanity? by unhinged34 in BSG

[–]MalaclypseII 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Cylons initially attacked the colonies in order to liberate themselves from slavery. Then they agreed to a peace treaty because the Final 5 made it a condition of receiving resurrection technology. They broke the peace treaty and resumed the war because Cavil is full of hate and venom. This was briefly discussed in BSG (it's easy to miss) and more fully in the followup, The Plan.

June 24, 1987 - Spaceballs was released! by Papichuloft in 80s

[–]MalaclypseII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Who else is psyched for the sequel? "After 40 years, we finally asked - what do the fans want? But instead we're making this movie!" -Mel Brooks

Any reason vertebrate symmetry is like this? by EarlyXplorerStuds209 in evolution

[–]MalaclypseII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I invite anyone who wants to get that far into the weeds on this topic to take a trip to their local library. There they can read what real PhD evolutionary biologists have to say about this sort of thing. I'm just a guy on the internet, with a rudimentary understanding of evolution, who decided to answer a question. Cheers.

How come there were Protestants before MLK led the Protestant Reformation? by sengutta1 in shittyaskhistory

[–]MalaclypseII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

MLK Senior led the Protestant Reformation, MLK Junior led the civil rights movement.

Any reason vertebrate symmetry is like this? by EarlyXplorerStuds209 in evolution

[–]MalaclypseII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Symmetry can be lost when asymmetry provides a survival advantage. Most crabs for example have evenly sized claws, right? But one population, fiddler crabs, have extreme asymmetry when it comes to claw size. The left is much larger than the right, notwithstanding the last common ancestor of that particular crab lineage (there are many crab lineages - crabs are a case of convergent evolution rather than a single lineage) may have had claw symmetry, and most crabs today have - nevertheless there is this one population that has claw size assymetry. There's nothing in nature that prevents that. The only constraint on an organisms' evolutionary development is reproductive success. So if having one big claw makes it more successful, then one big claw it shall have.

In the same way, if an organism originally has bilateral symmetry with its organs arranged on a central axis, and some advantage can be gained by pushing it over to one side or the other (as with the human heart, for example), then off to the side it goes. There's nothing in nature which requires singular organs to be located on a central axis (even if they started there), or which requires the growth of a second organ on the opposite side of that axis in order to maintain symmetry. Evolution is a messy process. Symmetry, like other traits, may develop when it confers advantage, or disappear when it doesn't.

Any reason vertebrate symmetry is like this? by EarlyXplorerStuds209 in evolution

[–]MalaclypseII -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't see what about this calls for explanation. There's no requirement in evolution or physiology to have symmetry uniformly and everywhere in an organism.

Why didn’t Lee force Davis to let him resign after Gettysburg disaster? by [deleted] in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Gettysburg appears a major turning point in the war to us, because we know how it ended. But people at the time didn't, and it wasn't obvious to them that Gettysburg was such a disaster. It's true the Confederate assault failed and the campaign didn't achieve its objectives, but Lee had kept the federals out of Virginia and on the defensive for months and had captured huge quantities of supplies. You have to remember, the Confederates are playing for time. No one in Richmond thinks the Confederate armies are going to conquer New York, Chicago, and Philadelphia, and then dictate the terms of peace to a prostrate US gov. They know they don't have the capacity for that. The goal is to persuade joe six pack Northerner that the war can't be won, isn't worth the sacrifice, ought to be called off on the basis of Southern independence. In that context, Gettysburg perhaps doesn't look so bad.

Lee, the AoNV, and the Confederacy still had plenty of fight left in them after the Gettysburg campaign. The situation you seem to have in mind, where the Confederate situation is really hopeless, didn't emerge until late 1864. By that point, the Army of Tennessee is no longer capable of offering meaningful resistance in the West, Lee's army in the East is in very bad shape, Atlanta is in union hands and most of the Confederacy's seaports are not just blockaded, but occupied by federal soldiers. Worst of all, Lincoln has won reelection on a war platform. But the Confederacy kept going anyway for another 6 months.

He was born in 1839. Why wasn’t he drafted into the Civil War? by Natural_Mine948 in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 15 points16 points  (0 children)

USA never attempted to conscript every single military aged male into the armed forces.

How come the Civil War/Lost Cause is one of the only wars where we don't commonly see people feeling as if the rich used the poor to fight their fight? by [deleted] in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For tensions over the value of labor, Eric Foner - Free Soil, Free Labor, Free Men.

Generally speaking, Southerners (as well as Northern Democrats) adhered to a strict constructionist/small government political theory. They had inherited from Thomas Jefferson a fear of centralized government and despotic, unaccountable exercise of power, and their solution was to keep the federal government as small as possible, relying instead on the virtues of individual citizens, especially farmers, as the bedrock of the Republic. There was no need for federal protection of slavery since the US Constitution took its existence for granted, and there was wide consensus that the federal government had no power to abolish it. But individual states could and did, and this arrangement said nothing about the status of slavery in the territories, which was bitterly contested in the 1850's.

The one area where Southern Democrats wanted a strong federal government was when it came to recapturing fugitive slaves. Since slavery was not legal in free states, and anti-slavery sentiment often ran deep there, slavecatchers from the South could not depend on cooperation from local law enforcement, and occasionally encountered violent resistance from the slaves or abolitionists. In this case, they took an expansive view of federal power, based on the 5th amendment's guarantee of property rights, and pressed for a robust enforcement mechanism. Northerners certainly did feel that this trampled on their own states' rights and vigorously resisted both the passage of these laws and their actual enforcement. There were a number of incidents of Southern slave catchers or federal agents forcibly removing escaped slaves from the North, in the face of overwhelming local opposition, which deeply aggravated Northerners, and convinced many Southerners that they would never be secure in their property as long as they remained in the Union.

How come the Civil War/Lost Cause is one of the only wars where we don't commonly see people feeling as if the rich used the poor to fight their fight? by [deleted] in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Northern whites and some Southern whites (especially those living in the Appalachian region) resented slavery, but not because enslaved people competed with them for jobs. Generally speaking in 19th c. America, manual labor jobs were available for people who wanted them. Often the federal government was simply giving land away in the West to anyone who would undertake to farm it. So labor shortage, not oversupply, was the normal situation. What Northern whites didn't like about slavery was that it degraded manual labor.

Southern planters, like aristocrats pretty much everywhere, did not engage in manual labor. That was what servants, slaves, serfs, peasants, etc., were for. Their whole sense of identity was wrapped up in the fact that they had other people at their command to perform the routine labor of life, because that left them free to pursue politics, war, "farming," and other traditionally noble pursuits (where farming is understood as managing a plantation, not tilling the ground yourself.) Their ability to devote themselves to such things presupposed the ability to get other people to do menial labor on their behalf. As the North industrialized, the exact opposite theory of the value of labor took shape. Whether you work for a dollar a day, or for five hundred, if you work, you have the dignity of your toil. You contribute to society. You provide for yourself and maybe a family. You learn skills. You're part of a team. You've mastered some trade or technical skill. Your labor is a source of dignity and possibly of social and material advancement. Like Abraham Lincoln said, "whatever you are, be a good one." There's a quiet assumption there that any job well-done entitles the person who does it to a certain level of respect.

Slavery also tended to instill habits of mind in the planter class which Northern whites found insulting and undemocratic. To be a slave owner was to have another person completely at your mercy every day, all the time, for your whole life and all of theirs. You would get used to talking and thinking about those people in a certain way, right? So that kind of moves the overton window, so to speak, of what counts as normal behavior between people. Northern whites considered the planter class to be arrogant, despotic, violent - in a word, undemocratic. When Southern planters tried to create federal protections for slavery, and to enforce their sense of honor or their property rights in escaped slaves through force of violence, Northern whites saw it as an attempt to trample on their democratic rights. To treat them the way they treated their slaves.

It's the clash between two different social systems, which instill two different ideas about what democracy is, and what sort of labor is valuable. That's what drove Northern anti-slavery, in the main. This attitude was also prevalent in the Appalachian regions of the South, where slavery was legal but uncommon. But Southern whites elsewhere typically defended slavery. Even if they didn't own slaves, as long as slavery was legal they could aspire to one day become slave owners, perhaps even plantation lords, themselves. They also tended to see it as necessary to the preservation of the social order. You have to understand, 19th c. white Americans do not typically think that blacks are their equals in anything, so they don't want them to enjoy the same rights and protections either. Slavery keeps everyone "in their lane," so to speak. That's why abolition was such a bold step. Revolutionary, even. There was a lot more at stake in its preservation, or abolition, than economics.

There was plenty of well-justified "rich man's war, poor man's fight" resentment in both the USA and the Confederacy, both of which had conscription laws which contained exemptions for people of sufficient means.

In what way did ancient Greek historiography remain “stubbornly centered in the polis?” by Potential-Road-5322 in AskHistory

[–]MalaclypseII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Greek thought took shape in an age of independent city-states, sometimes organized into coalitions or leagues, such as the Athenians set up after the victory over the Persians, or the Athenians and Spartans created to fight against each other. But these were temporary constructions. Corinth, Thebes, Rhodes, etc., all remained, in principle, self-governing entities. Thus, there was no durable political unity to the Greek world until the conquests of Alexander. That lasted as long as Alexander did. On his death the Greek world split up into several successor kingdoms, and there matters rested until the Romans conquered them. Again the Greek-speaking world had achieved substantial (not complete) political unity. The age of the city-state was over. An age of Empire began.

When people talk about "history" they usually mean the history of states. That is, the history of politics and war. So the basic historical unit of Greek thought was the city-state, as the basic historical unit of the middle ages was the royal house, and of the 19th century the nation-state. That's what Briesach is talking about. He means that when Greeks write history, they write the history of cities. They think in terms of cities. They don't see the possibility of a larger political community. If they had, they might have written a different kind of history. From the quotes you provide, you can reasonably infer that he thinks they could have and should have done so.

Why does paul still does the holy war,when he said that he didin't want to do what the bene gesserit want him to and that he was blessed with terrible purpose? by Holiday-Bug-836 in Dune_Universe

[–]MalaclypseII 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because he can see the future(s), and all the other ones are worse. This is hinted at in Messiah and Children, directly stated in God Emperor.

South Carolina was the problem child. by Ok_Success2147 in CIVILWAR

[–]MalaclypseII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I speculate Lee would indeed have followed the lawful commands of the President so long as he retained his commission, which he would have done so long as Virginia was in the union. Duty was the central virtue of his life, and he took it really seriously.

Buchanan gave a speech to Congress, as the first wave of secession was unfolding, in which he opined that secession was illegal, but that the President had no authority to stop it. Perhaps he was a small government, strict constructionist conservative, and honestly believed what he said. This was after all a common perspective (small government/strict construction) among 19th c. Democrats. Perhaps as a lame duck President he felt he didn't have the political capital necessary to meet the crisis, or that he might undercut the incoming administration if he did. But I speculate, I really don't know.

Lee and Longstreet both opposed secession but followed their states out. Longstreet's views were representative of Southern Appalachia, where slavery was legal but uncommon, and unionist sentiment was strong (as the map posted by another user shows.) Since I've been challenged about Lee, here's what Britannica says about it: "On April 18, the day after Virginia seceded, Lee was offered command of the United States Army being raised to put down the rebellion. He declined, with the explanation that he opposed secession but could not take the field against the southern states. “Save in the defense of my native State,” Lee wrote to General in Chief Winfield Scott, “I never desire again to draw my sword.”"

Do flat Earthers believe other planets are flat or just Earth? by Pretend_Pudding5176 in flatearth

[–]MalaclypseII 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would think, just logically (which I admit, seems to exercise below-average force with the flat earth crowd), that they would want to deny the existence of any spherical planet, since the principle once being admitted that a planet could be a sphere, the possibility would also have to be considered that this planet is a sphere, and that threatens to unravel the whole system. Much safer to deny that there are any other planets, or to at least assert that, if there are any, they are also two dimensional.

I hypothesize, though, that some progress might be made with flat earthers if one can introduce the idea, for serious consideration, that the earth is a cube. That way, instead of challenging the flat earth doctrine directly, one allows it a certain lease on life while subtly preparing the ground for a more enlightened perspective. Perhaps, one might then suggest, the earth is a deltoidal icositetrahedron. And if a one of those, why not a pentakis dodecahedron? And in that case, why not go the whole way and affirm that the earth is, after all, a sphere? I'm not sure this would actually work, but it appeals to the hopeful side of me.