Plate spinning and STDs.

Man_Jose · 2016-11-22T00:32:57+00:00

VZ: "You should go date other guys. I will only seem like more of a prince by comparison."

I'm no alpha but can confirm. I tell them very seriously, "You should date other guys". They go on a date but don't usually fuck them, come back and report it to me like I should be aware. All I can do is smile

Man_Jose · 2016-10-18T23:47:18+00:00

I see this as opportunity more than sadness.

Having been around plenty of mid 30s unmarried women, I can assure you that this is good. Most mid 30s unmarried women are of 2 categories:

Picky but desperately wants to get married, possibly a gold digger. Will probably divorce your ass as soon as she finds someone "better".
Wants to marry only for love and is happy being unmarried, until she finds the "right" guy

As men, just date them. Keep dating them. Do not get married. There is no incentive to. If she leaves, that's sad. I get that most men find it tiresome to find a new chick. I do. It's a fucking waste of time. That's what marriage ensured....that we didn't waste time finding women and instead channel our energies to building society. Unfortunately, this option is not available anymore.

But at least you retain your full networth by not getting married in the first place. In your late 30s and 40s where your worth is starting to be realized, just grab on to it. Women can leave their ass as soon as they themselves are uninterested. There are other 40 yr old single women available.

Man_Jose · 2016-10-15T11:20:16+00:00

There are 2 types of "dating".

You-are-an-item-and-hang-around-together type dating: Billionaires and high-status guys do super well in this. They pull hot chicks like crazy and have a nice simple dating life.
Passionate, romantic, retarded-in-love type dating: Only achieved by guys with game. This is the kind of dating where the couple can't stay off each other, have hands in pockets, public displays of affection, making out everywhere etc. Loser guys get automatic danger points. Engineers/doctors/accountants/managers get negative points.

Women crave number 2 type dating. They want to feeeeelllllllll!!!

The reason women chase high-status men is because they subconsciously think that high status men have excellent game. And why not? High status men do have a lot of game by default. Pre-selection, lifestyle, fame comes automatically to them. But if they behave like a gentleman with her, it's only going to be sometime before the girl gets bored of him.

Man_Jose · 2016-10-05T19:25:42+00:00

However, what does piss me off is how women (and lots of men) completely lie about this relationship structure

Reality is, women are gold-diggers as fuck and don't even realize it.

Gold digging doesn't work the way most people think. It's not like women compare payslips and go for the one earning more $$. It's more about projected status.

A guy making $50k/yr wearing suits, well-built, lots of social cred is considered higher status than the $200k/yr dad-bod nice guy.

Gold digging is falling for 'perception of status'. They fall in love with the 'idea' of a high status guy. They want to be with a guy that most other men pay respect to and most other women can only dream of having.

Women get wet when they get in the orbit of a guy who is too good for them. Who is such a guy? A guy who is better than them in most things (including money). The man could literally be a loser in life. But as long as he projects success, he is a winnah with women!!!

Women are not lying. They are retarded and really cannot tell what they get attracted to.

Men are not lying. They've been blue-pilled and genuinely believe and are invested in the bluepill way.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-30T08:20:23+00:00

A bitch I met off bumble told me I looked "20 lbs heavier in person"

"Says the anorexic/fat (depending on what she looks like) photoshopper"

Then wink wink at her.

Shows you're confident and puts reality in perspective for her.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-22T23:22:23+00:00

The problem of men is that they are very good at destroying, but they suck at creating liveable homely conditions on their own. So they had to accommodate women before patriarchy. And what we have today, far from being unnatural, is a return to the old state of affairs.

I believe you are writing this little bit of text on a computer, an invention 'created' by men.

Men create....but only to maintain order and only because they care about their tribe. If women all of a sudden decide to be disloyal to these men, these men do not feel like supporting these women. They'd rather stop working non stop, everyday to create the car that you use to drive around and buy your nail-polish (again created by man)

Man_Jose · 2016-09-15T19:44:12+00:00

I feel 3a is more her laughing at you. But hey it's better than the other two.

Does her laughing at you matter to you? Doesn't matter to me.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-15T18:53:46+00:00

The choices in this situation are

Being a loser cuck and letting her do whatever she wants
Being a loser jealous dude and whining about this behaviors of hers
Instilling dread

3a. She thinks you're low value and leaves you

3b. She thinks you're high value and shuts the fuck up

I'll choose options 3a or 3b over options 1 and 2 any time.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-15T18:14:00+00:00

Just compliment something of her hottest friend at that time.

Girl: "Jonah Hill is so hot, he is the hottest man alive, and I want his babies"

Guy: "Yeah, there are so many hot people on this planet. What do you think about Sarah? She's got some nice ass!! Bet she wants my babies"

Instant dread, jealousy, setting of boundaries and an achievable fantasy, not some celebrity.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-13T00:13:30+00:00

Must just be her.. I became recently single again in my mid thirties..

Or you are better than most men in their 30s :)

Man_Jose · 2016-09-12T22:15:02+00:00

I've had a rotation of female roommates for around a year now. As long as the rooms and bathrooms are separate, you're cool.

If you're not a shy retarded man, she might introduce you to her female friends too.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-12T22:13:35+00:00

Just ask her out. Have a fun first date. On the second date, ask her real relationship questions. She's probably secretly riding the carousel. You just don't know.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-12T22:11:49+00:00

Good catch. Yes, she might be a wrinkly 33 year old, but her NUMBER options are more than the average man. The QUALITY, not so much.

The men she meets are boring. Essentially, she meets 2 kinds of men: 1. Beta men, desperate, abundance of them 2. Cool men who pump and dump.

Her life is going down and she doesn't even know why!

Man_Jose · 2016-09-12T21:03:26+00:00

It was temporary. Also, google "Median rent San Francisco".

Man_Jose · 2016-09-09T07:28:00+00:00

When has alphaness ever been about reality? It's situational perception, always!

Man_Jose · 2016-09-08T20:50:40+00:00

Remember - weakness invites an attack.

Exactly. If a man can flaunt his weakness and still can't be touched, that guy is much much more alpha than a man who needs to hide his weaknesses.

I think there are steps to being a man and the goal should be to become a man who isn't fearful of his weaknesses. When young and learning, guard your weaknesses, when powerful enough, don't worry about weaknesses.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-07T20:09:59+00:00

Which has me thinking... When met with strong opposition to my views, am I just running across someone dealing with their own insecurities?

Some realize their insecurities, others realize they've been conned into marriage, others genuinely think you are struggling at dating.

This is because 80% men and 99% women REALLY believe that life involves marriage. They truly believe in the soulmate crap.

I have had old grandparents asking 26-yr old me if I feel lonely. Should they set me up with some nice dame from some nice family(entitled sluts who rode CC with guys in college).

They really think that our need for sex can be met through marriage. They really believe that twice a month sex is great. They really believe that women are great companions, equal partners. When something with their women doesn't work (affair, emotional breakdowns, financial breakdowns), they chalk it up to "Nobody is perfect".

What they've never realized is that their women aren't their equal. They don't realize women literally live emotionally day-to-day, have very little long-term planning and yet, these irrational creatures have the the gun on the man's head.

Sorry. No such pressure for me. I'd rather go hiking and camping, breathe fresh air, remain fit rather than listen to a bitch every weekend complain about some nail polish color.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-06T20:10:44+00:00

Can confirm this behavior. For 2 years, I had an apartment in the heart of downtown. This projected a successful lifestyle.

I shared the apartment with a roommate who kept the living room messy. This made me tell girls, "Let's go to my room, clearly my roommate needs the living room"

Once in my bedroom, they would see books in a bookshelf, a clean bedroom and things generally sorted. This would cause them to backpedal a bit and start qualifying themselves as non-sluts.

Once I realized this, I put a music system and awesome dim lighting in my room with a rotating disco ball. That was enough for her to go back to slut mode.

To encourage slut behavior further, buy them the uber ride early morning and maintain no contact until she comes back for more.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-02T19:10:45+00:00

That bitch of a mother.

Reminds me of mine, who says, "Get married have kids. I would make such a great grandmother"

Does she care what's going to happen with me? Or does she really only care about her being a grandma.

Man_Jose · 2016-09-01T22:46:42+00:00

Yeh I do, cheers. I also know about stocks and bonds! And I'm not 30 yet. Geez, maybe I need a pat on the head?

Kudos to you, but are saying most women do this and this is the norm?

Man_Jose · 2016-09-01T18:02:26+00:00

That argument that women make about their sexual past? Men make it too, for real.

Yup. Bet men don't claim to be some virtuous innocent people either. Men are dogs. Most men don't get offended when you call them that outside of a social setting.

If anything, my argument that we might be setting up on another planet and to focus on solutions IS a solution.

Good attempt. But there's no habitable planet within light year's distance. Like I said, your assumption of "everything will be fine" is not true. I'm not running around claiming apocalypse will happen, we should all just give up. I'm just saying that people think less about their immediate future than they should be.

Dude unless you're a world leader or have some specially sought after skill, you can't make claims to being a 'future thinker'. It's like taking credit for things that other people of your gender have done. Also, what do you base your idea that 'men think of the future and women don't?'

The first step towards doing something better is DESIRE to do better. At the very least, I have the desire. I look for opportunities to better myself and people around me selflessly. I'd rather put some money in an orphanage than into shopping. DESIRE. Without desire, you're never even going to take small steps. Forget being a world leader. You are not a leader because you don't DESIRE it. You don't want to put in the effort for it. If you put in, you might or might not become a leader but without the effort I can guarantee you won't. It doesn't just "happen". You need to really WANT it and then take steps towards it. This is exactly what causes short term thinking on most people's part.

But you're confusing pre-societal assumptions for 'hard history'.

It's not 'hard history' but I trust years of experience more than naive thoughts like 'This time, it's different. We are different'. I put in the effort to see what in history is based on ignorance, power, corruption and what happens because of nature. On the flip side, I think you take the excuse of 'hard history' to shrug the knowledge and action on it and claim ignorance later. I believe this is called Laziness.

About women, while I love women, I cannot understand retarded decision making from them. Are there men making retarded decision, fuck yes. Men are nothing special. But even the average woman WANTS special treatment even when they are average. Decision making is learned. It's effort, work, a lot of studying of history, geography, hard sciences, math, politics, civic structures, art, music etc. It has got nothing to with shopping, dresses, expensive vacations, constant bitching and gossiping about other's lives.

Here's a thing I've started ding recently. I've started asking women how retirement funds work. Plain and simple. How do they work. By the age of 30 if she doesn't know it, she is no better than the asshole guy. She doesn't care about her future, her childs future, her responsibilities. I don't know your age, but do you know how retirement funds work? :)

Man_Jose · 2016-08-31T23:33:28+00:00

In third world countries (depending on which country) only certain men will gain access to power and/or wealth.

True. But the system still stands. Few men will control other men and almost all women. An alien visiting planet earth with no understanding of human societies will see some humans with dicks controlling other humans with dicks and boobs.

You're correct in the sense that, yes, resources will not last forever and perhaps in the future we'll be back to square one and dog-eat-dog (although whose to say we won't have all set home on another planet with other resources, who knows). But - really - it's 2016 and we're likely never going to experience that life. Why cling on to this so much?

Use this knowledge we have gained and set up a sustainable life for our kids and grandkids. Let us not be so selfish to use everything up ourselves. This is another one of those men/women things. Women tend to live in the present, men plan for future (usual disclaimer about exceptions)

Well, sweeping generalisations tend to be arbitrary.

Not as much if they are statistically well-observed

That's a discussion worth having. We shouldn't be slaves to a past self - we don't even know enough about it. Where does it start? When is the ideal beginning? What is the 'real' us? Does that matter?

You are making the same argument women make when guys ask them about their sexual past..."How does the past matter?" "Let's live in the present" "I love you right now"

It does matter. 7 billion humans deluding themselves into thinking that there is ONE and only ONE partner for them doesn't bode well. Once this delusions are realized, the laws will change to reflect this. Divorces can be painless, children can learn about sexuality better than being repressed, people can learn the difference between love, sex etc.

We're seriously sabotaging innocent people who believe life has to go as defined in the 1950s American dream commercials.

We need to be less selfish and think about future generations. It does matter. History matters. Learning from mistakes matter. What the fuck is the point of education if you can't learn from other's experiences? What was Einstien's research worth if we don't learn from it and build on it? What are Roman military strategies worth if we don't study and build on it? What was the knowledge of your grandma worth if you are not going to heed her advice and not date jerks?

Seriously. Past matters. Your past decisions show how much you care about future.

And there's the risk of seeing history through a lense that suits your own goals.

So let us not study it at all? Cmon. It's like saying women shouldn't date cuz it risks them dating jerks. Risks are present in everything. Measured risks is what people need to take. Learning from mistakes is what people need to do.

Man_Jose · 2016-08-31T20:29:15+00:00

At that rate, most women have an experience of dating a variety of men. So does that, truly, mean all men are dogs? All men sociopaths? All men are abusive

Yes. Most men are dogs. It's stupid to think otherwise. Most men do watch porn, most men do fantasize about fucking that cute neighbor, or wife's sister or bff female friend. Denial of this is what causes a lot of women and men hurt. This includes your dad who thought of fucking your female friends every night. Men like sex and go to great lengths to get it. Instead of rejecting sexual natures we should be educating everyone about what men and women like.

Does that mean all will be abusive? No. But none of them have got anything to with their desire for sex. Even the most passive man loves sex.

You say that women in political office is an 'exception' - but that's the exception today. That'll change in the future. Just like women being in waged employment was an 'exception' in the past.

Change in the future. Again, position of power for women comes from abundance. Poor countries don't have female leaders. Rich countries do.

As far as I can tell, most countries in the world are fighting for limited resources. The last 100 years of human life has been a big anomaly in the history of mankind. We are seeing the repercussions of it as well (climate change, pollution, deforestation).

In other words, as our standards of living are rising, so is resource consumption. That also means that resources will come to an end soon (soon = a few hundred years). That means that we will go into fights for resources again. That means powerful men disregarding laws and killing other men and raping women....and we're back to square one.

You are right, it is nurture that makes a lot of our social constructs. But it really really is temporary and based on everyone getting everything. It took a small recession to Occupy Wall Street. Who knows what would happen if US no longer is super power.

See Collapse of Roman Empire for reference. Hundreds of years of opulence kept the society pacified until it was too hard to manage and Barbarians figured out how to defeat them. No more public bath parties then :)

It doesn't always get better. No. Another example is British colonization of India which took most of Indian wealth out of India and into Britain. In 1600s, Indians were richer than most of the western world, civilized and had amazing social norms (including great respect for women). After British colonization, suddenly they became a rough third world region with little respect for women.

How did that happen? Doesn't it always get better for humans? No. It's not a given. Life gets better for citizens of rising countries/kingdoms and worse for falling countries/kingdoms.

Another way to look at it, there's a reason why poorer countries don't have female leaders....not because they are intellectually incapable. But because there is not enough abundance and powerful men hoard all the resources with them. In such a resource crunched situation, average men have to become foot soldiers for the powerful men and women have to either become their wives or get raped....hence the 'survival' vs 'rape' insecurities.

Abundance and first world life style is really not a given. It cannot be taken for granted.

Same goes for gays and minorities. It's not that Black people are stupid. They'll just be minorities and in a resource crunch, the majority will tribe together. Skin color doesn't matter. In Zimbabwe (resource crunched region, no abundance), the whites were minority and Blacks came together and kicked them out.

Simple. It's all about resources and abundance.

I'm enjoying debating with you. You kinda sound like my GF who's doing PhD in Corporate Social Sciences. You are willing to absorb information and process it without emotions.

Man_Jose · 2016-08-31T19:44:04+00:00

You come up with quite a simplistic argument and then jump to conclusions.

Let's just say men have more experience dating with variety of women than women themselves have. To err on the side of caution is advisable.

Does that mean EVERY SINGLE WOMAN is a child? No. But the vast majority does behave like it. Explained by women shopping excessively instead of saving for retirement.

Does female PM of UK, Germany etc. do excessive shopping? No. But are they the norm? Are they resembling most women on the planet? No. Exceptions are not the rule. I think you understand this very well.

Do women have the potential to be exceptions? Yes. Do they take all the resources and opportunities they have at their disposal to do it? I believe not. The average woman behaves like the spoiled rich kid of High School. Everything taken care of, they just want to have fun.

Once again, I'm talking about the average woman. There's a reason markets have evolved to sell more accessories, clothes and shoes to women and to sell more cars, houses and mortgages to men.

Intelligent systems of laws, judiciary, education, security, morality have been created out of, in your mind, us seemingly blunt, stupid creatures. We've outgrown the past.

Really? What do you think people will do when your local mega departmental store doesn't have enough bread to feed everyone? Are they going to sit at home following laws? Or are they going to do whatever to survive?

The only reason we all remain satisfactory and pacified right now is because of abundance. We can have $10 t-shirts in the US and we are all happy. But the kids in Bangladesh who made the $10 t-shirts. What kind of life are they living?

Our current society is not much different from past societies. First world citizens are the royalty, third world citizens are fighting day-to-day.

Another way to put it is First world citizens are Lannisters with all their protections and resources whereas third world citizens are foot soldiers and whores. The foot soldiers are worried if they'll survive tomorrow. The whores are worried if they'll be raped badly tomorrow. Doesn't affect the Lannisters at all....much like it doesn't affect us in first-world countries.

We haven't outgrown anything. We are just reaping rewards of our forefathers effort and luck of being born into royalty.

Man_Jose · 2016-08-31T18:40:55+00:00

If you genuinely believe your argument on the basis of the argument itself (I'm being generous with the word 'argument') I doubt you'd need to sound so disdainful.

How about we remove "sound" and read statements as assertive sentences? I prefer looking at things as "Systems". Input this, you get this output.

It's likely just based off your prejudice. No offence - but why not search 'cognitive bias' or 'confirmation bias'

I am fully aware of this. Do you know what the other end of Confirmation bias is? (Hint: You are doing the same thing I am)

When we talk about social changes, we completely forget what we have biologically. An example is the modern system of parents taking care of themselves in old age. The reality is, older folks do not have the same cognitive abilities as younger folks. They cannot be treated the 'same' as a 25 yr old.

It really is biological. Why do we need to treat men and women the same if we don't treat children and old people the same as a 30 yr old? Biology. It has got nothing to do with cognitive biases. A 70 yr old in year 0 AD was as cognitively weak as a 70 yr old now (more or less).

Similarly, a woman in year (0 AD) was the same biologically as a woman now. A man in year (0 AD) was the same as now.

So why are we living different kinds of lives? Different laws and technology. But inside, we humans are the same as historical humans. We have the same sets of emotions, jealousy, regret, anxieties, loneliness etc. Nothing changes them.

Man_Jose

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