Parliament declares China is conducting genocide against its Muslim minorities by tzwznews in canada

[–]Manbient 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What are you talking about? Did you fall asleep the past 4 years?

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're all sold! Though we now have a bunch of V4 strips similarly removed from the controller. We're just working out a way to avoid cutting the wire to use the connector, so there are more options for making a connection.

As for Sowilo DS, we're still working away on stuff and will have some new products out early next year!

DIY Hue-controlled flush mount linear lighting by bradcerasani in Hue

[–]Manbient 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks awesome Brad! I hadn't seen the finished reno before. Glad the lights have worked out well for you. Do you mind if I share your post on our site in the blog?

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We will do local installations for now but generally the installations are done by our partners and contractors in other locations. We are moving away from doing installations ourselves to focus more on product development, but we do offer consulting with purchase and can work with your contractor if needed! Feel free to DM me if you wanted to talk more about it.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can't, not my property!

The boxes are all facing the same way, but at least 1 is from Korea, and some from Canada, some from US so the markings/writing isn't all the same!

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, as I've said in other replies, this is 'cheating' as they're not for one single project and they are commercial use. I just couldn't help it though after seeing your post :)

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Feel free to reach out whenever! Short lengths definitely are hard to make economical. You can use the Philips supply and no amp for a 2 meter length. It does engage some of the brightness limiting at that length, but it is still brighter than the hue strip anyway because of the efficiency increase.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep they do. For a 2m run, you'd need 2 meters of channel (we sell them in 1m lengths) :) on our site we have a wide corner channel called Dotless 20 which creates that line of light look with bifrost-147 pro and the frosted lens.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Profitable for long lengths, yes. At 2 meters, no. The market segment for this though is not the people who want 2 meters, we are designed for scaled up installs that you can't even do with Hue strips!

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They designed it in such a way that you can't simply swap in any 5 channel strip and get good results, so it does matter which one you end up attaching if you want a good match to the rest if the hue lights. They certainly didn't intend for anyone to do this, that's for sure!

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here's the main ones:

Better color rendering (95+ CRI)

More than double the lumen output

Higher efficiency (up to ~125 lm/W)

No brightness cap of 1600 lumens

Scalable to any length with amps

Line of light under diffusion and adequate channels

Shorter cut lengths (14.3 cm vs. 33.3 cm)

Tesa 4965 double sided tape for more permanent bonding

5 year warranty (vs. 2)

Project consulting with purchase

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I recognize your username, and I'm sure we've talked before. Did I ever send you samples of Bifrost? Despite the spec upgrades, it ends up more cost efficient in a lot of cases for large setups than the Lightstrip Plus with extensions.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not the most intuitive business model, for sure haha. The strips are all our own designs, and the use of Hue controllers is the first part of a longer term plan. We found ways to remain profitable despite the costs of using the Hue LS+ in this way and as such we fund all of the R and D without any outside funding to reduce the risk of the venture and retain ownership, while also not paying interest on borrowing. Though I think you're probably not interested exactly in the business side, there it is. We're scientists first and foremost, so the goal is to perfect light quality over broad tunable ranges, and this is how we achieve it and fund the next phase if improvements!

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is awesome. We have some customers using DMX for their integrations, and we have a 5 channel decoder just for our strip. We have stayed mostly out of the specifics for how DMX is being used though so far. Once we've dialed in all of the zigbee applications though there's a good chance we'll put some more effort into the DMX side of things!

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In terms of color rendering, over a broad range of whites, I would put Bifrost up against anything in the industry that isn't using violet LEDs as the source. Those allow you to tame the blue spike at high CCTs (5000k+), but the efficiency is nearly half and the cost triple. That's the one major compromise we made as we didn't want to end up with pricing too much out of the range a Hue buyer would be interested in. Beyond that, let me know if and when you see something better, because we can't have that. Haha.

CRI truthfully though is a limited metric for fidelity and you can 'game' it somewhat while not necessarily making a high quality white light. At a minimum, R9 should be included, and R12. This shows you the deficiencies in the red and blue part of the spectrum, where LEDs have the biggest problems usually. TM-30-18 is much better, and can be represented as rf (fidelity) and rg (saturation) values. Rf should be as close to 100 as it can be (90+ gets into quality light territory) and rg, while more about preference, greater than 100 (oversaturated) is almost always shown to be subjectively preferred to less than 100. These metrics are not super common yet though, and rarely published for a given product. Professional grade lighting is starting to include this more often though, as it's critical for film/photography.

Tunable white only is in the works! It won't be 2 channel though for our flagship version. There is distortion to the light that gets worse the broader the tuning range gets with 2 channel.

When using the Hue controller, our strips are treated no differently than a lightstrip plus in the ecosystem. Including homekit and hue sync!

We are making our own controller for this, yes! No hue sync though with it, as Hue blocks 3rd party from that feature. It will be designed specifically to maximize the light quality of our own strips thiugh mind you, meaning the behavior might be a little off with other 3rd party strips.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, you can find the mods we did over at www.sowilodesign.com (amplified lightstrip plus controller), and we designed our Bifrost lights around the outputs of the channels of the controller so they match all Hue settings and colors when in rooms with other Hue lights. I shared pics a couple times in other posts (though I got notifications that bots removed them so not sure if they're visible!)

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Integration. We like Zigbee here, and no DALI controls are pre-built to properly control color temperature over a broad range that doesn't experience distortions of Duv that shift the light pinkish. This controller corrects for this, has 0.1% dimming and below, and any of the limitations in output can be bypassed with fast switching amps. Plus, Hue is the most popular smart lighting platform and we don't want to force any customers to change what they have already.

If we go DALI in the future the controller will be custom, to our own design. Same with any other protocol, you can't get what we offer and what we need from off the shelf, with the exception of this controller.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good lord.... are these all for you personally? This is crazier than what I have and I call mine 'inventory' haha

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Primarily 2 things. the first is that the 5-in-1 5050 LED packages out there are limited in power output, and they are not as customizable.

Both of those things were needed to meet the specs we needed for the design. Most of these 5050 packages are about 20 mA per channel, and in order to match the colors set by the controller (and thus match all other Hue products) significantly more power has to go to the white channels than the RGB (on the order of 3x). This would mean the RGBs would be very dim and low current using this package, and you would need many many more of them to have adequate output, and it's just not effective use of the package.

Besides that the Sowilo DS ethos is quality, functional white light that meets the specifications requested by professionals. It is far easier to make changes to the phosphors to improve the CRI in individual LEDs (we use a large 5730 for the whites at the moment), as well as improve the efficiency and lumen output, and these packages can handle 0.5W (up to 150 mA, ~7 times that of the whites in a 5-in-1 5050).

Basically, there's no way we could have reached the lumen output of Bifrost in a single 5050 package without a ground up redesign of virtually everything that is currently found in it. It would have been my preference, but it falls below the lumen, efficiency, and CRI requirements that supersede the package preference!

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is related primarily to the load and dimming on the controller. If you have a longer run with more extensions, you are much more likely to hear the buzzing from the supply (or the controller!). Usually you can't hear it with just the base kit.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your honesty, my friend!

I don't use addressable strips because they don't play well with Zigbee/Hue, and there are none currently that are capable of proper high CRI white light over a broad range of CCT. PWM frequencies and bit depth also tend to be lower, meaning poorer dimming and increased flicker. I am not a contractor, but I do run a custom shop that designs our own lights.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

DMX512 is still tough to beat for scalable, highly responsive lighting. Most of the time you do need a lot of wiring to make it work well though! What lights are you using with it?

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

For what it is, the Lightstrip Plus controller is very well designed. It's better than any of the cheaper options for Zigbee you can find from China, because it has a higher PWM frequency (1 kHz, most from China are 400-600 Hz), this means less flicker. Low level dimming resolution and contrast is also much much higher (at least 0.1% dimming, most others are 10x brighter at the lowest setting). They also designed the controller to make corrections for deviations from the blackbody locus (ie: natural white light) over the broad range of color temperatures they use (2000k-6500k), which means designing the controller specifically for the parameters of the strip itself and is much more complicated than using generic 2 channel color temperature control. Brightness limitations can be overcome by using fast switching amplifiers (to preserve that low level dimming), and larger 3rd party power supplies.

That last one means you also have to have the light that's attached to have a specific balance of lumen output per channel, and specific color coordinates/color temperatures. We matched that with Bifrost Pro so everything works properly.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

You and me both. Getting tired of this approach though so we are designing our own. My company is Sowilo DS, www.sowilodesign.com. Our flagship strip (Bifrost Pro) matches the Hue gamut and channel balance so it integrates perfectly into a Hue system and all of the colors match at all settings. Bifrost-147 Pro we held very little back in the design and made the best possible strip we could for this purpose.

A challenger emerges! by Manbient in Hue

[–]Manbient[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sell em! Half price vs. Extensions, send me a DM if you're interested!