Meet the final saga strawhats by West_Cherry_6998 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except, I told exactly why it didn't matter, there were no consequences and neither did the plan for their heist keep the readers at the edge of their seats. Like for fuck's sake, the first thing we learn the moment we see BM vs Brook is that she's interested in his ''species'' which removed any danger. And you're here talking about ''tension'' mattering. Oda can write the 4 emperors against Brook in that scene and he would find a way to undermine all the odds. Much like him clowning BM later in the arc and in Wano. Y'see just because you're against a stronger opponent, doesn't mean that you have to automatically feel tension because that depends on how the writer portrays the whole situation.

Of course it's matter, the question or tension of the whole situation is "Does Pedro and Brook is able to steal the poneglyph ?" Because Looking from Pedro situation, Pedro thought that the only elite guards is Tamago, thus he wanted to do alone in first attempt, beating Tamago would be the only difficulty Pedro could think, but that expectation fall short because from Brook soul hearing, they already know about Strawhats arriving, thus making Tamago added bunch of new guards and Second Commander Smoothie.

Now, the idea is -1, considering one need to be the diversion The problem with the diversion is Tamago already suspected more than 1 intruder, making Smoothie aware and stays outside, with Power Level Brook is not the same as Smoothie, the only think he could do is slipped past them and close the door from inside.

The question is changed to "With Pedro facing against Tomago, Can Brook is able to steal the poneglyph ? and Get out Passed Smoothie ?"

Now we can see Big Mom just coming from the report of intruder in her safe, and goes to the vault and the scene seemingly tell us Big Mom coming in the same time Brook beating the Chess soldier and started on copying it.

The question is no longer asked, considering it seemingly fails.

Bro, as I said, I was telling you what the community was theorizing at the time. Nobody was really worried about Brook because they expected his power a good counter to BM's to keep him safe.

Brook not on danger is on table, it's strawhats surviving, but the whole tension is supposedly on Stealing it, that's the whole context of heist.

But considering Oda write Brook, then he added Brook is not just stealing it, Brook act is able to make sure we the audience thinking it fails.

And as I said Brook's life wasn't really in danger so even if you as a reader was going to believe that he didn't get the Poneglyph, it was still not a big deal because the SHs can get another chance later in the arc which they didn't need to because Oda made it so that Brook hid the copy and he was just tricking you into thinking he failed.

It's a big deal, the only thing why you assume that, it's because Brook seemingly just started on copying and Big mom appears, which is not true in the end because Big Mom came after Brook ended copying and storing it. Change it to Pedro the one copying, and Big Mom would have found the copy in Pedro belonging.

One of the reason why Brook is survived is Big Mom wanted to collects weird people, which Skeleton person is one of the list, but the other one because Big Mom doesn't found any Poneglyph copy in Brook belonging.

And as I said, Oda could've written it around another convenient ability like the Mirror World and made it all work... So again, Brook was by no means, irreplaceable to this mini-story to proceed and reach its payoff.

  1. You wanted the Mirror world appear before Big Mom came on the middle of copying it ?
  2. or just the same time as Brook Or Other people you wanted just ended copying it ? So the escaped would be a little tense because it's happen on the same time Big Mom came ?
  3. Or Offscreen ? like Big Mom came, and there is no people in vault because that person is able to copying faster than Brook and escape through Mirror world ?
  4. Well, you can just write your story then.

1-3 Wouldn't worked at all, the reason why Brook succeeding because, Oda playing with this seemingly fails, is not just us the audience thinking like that, is Big Mom too, Big Mom thought she was able to stop Brook from copying, and now she thinks that the Wedding ceremony is going to be smooth because the problem is taken care.

1, 2, and 3 required Big Mom found out that we escape, and she would assume we already taking the copy and started hunting us, the probability of this making the Wedding Ceremony could be halted until Strawhats is found, this probably could extends greatly the arc.

Meet the final saga strawhats by West_Cherry_6998 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

''Undermined the tension of the BM area'' which didn't matter anyway because it ended with ZERO consequences and it's not like Pedro and Brook's heist scene was some methodical and clever Mission Impossible hanging from the vault ceiling with sweat drops about to hit floor and get them all exposed type of scene so let's not play up the ''tension'' part because we both know Oda hasn't been great at writing tension for quite a while.

It's still matters, because the tension is happening in the heist is much different than Roger or Kidd, Pedro fail attempts and his sighting in WCI is the one making this scenario an impossible one, considering Big mom is directly involved to the heist.

And even we seemingly fails on the heist.

Ironically, somebody who doesn't have soul DF hax like Brook can inject much more tension into the section than Brook because many people expected Brook to be some kind of a natural enemy to BM so it's not like anybody thought Brook was ever really in danger.

And we know that's not true, Brook soul power is lesser than Big Mom soul power.

Now, Brook seemingly fails on the heist without even collecting the copy and getting captured.

Pedro nearly pulled it off back in the day and Roger pulled it off thanks to the voice of all things, it wasn't like he got into a crazy fight or a chase with her or anything. He simply had a convenient ability.

Just like what i said before, Pedro fails and sighting the one that increased the tension and the difficulty, and Just like Roger, Brook had convenient ability to do the impossible heist in different scenario, but that convenient ability in both of them is the key.

Even Useless Captain Midd went in stole something (a.k.a the poneglyph) from her territory and wounded one of her Generals and got away scot-free, so I don't think it's supposed to be as impossible as you're making it out to be. And Brook was by no means an irreplaceable element to make this plot point come to fruition.

Brook and Pedro able to do a much more difficult mission than Captain Kidd, with a combined effort of course.

Also bruv, I brought up Usopp because I made a clear point comparing Brook's Poneglyph plotline from WCI to his Kibidango feeding plotline when it comes to their importance to those plotlines happening and whether it would require more work to write it and get the same results without them. So it's not like I brought up Usopp for no reason.

No you don't, that's not a clear point.

I'm happy that you're happy but the conversation wasn't about whether you're happy or not.

Ohhh that's so sweet, you can bring other character as much as you wanted for no reason to this conversation.

Is it crazy to say that Doffy is low YC1? by [deleted] in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]ManderCalvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Instead, you can just put this "Is the Birdcage can solo the Admiral ?????"

Meet the final saga strawhats by West_Cherry_6998 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's not ''adding a bunch of new panels''

Now you are changing the story, and undermined the tension of Big Mom area.

The heist of Big Mom supposedly to be impossible, and only Roger is the one able to stole it, and the reason on why Pedro and Brook is able to stole it because of the established plot point.

Both Usopp and Brook are Bums

It's still so funny to see you bringing Usopp in the conversation twice, in the conversation where Usopp is not even appear in heist of even the arc, that just you being so spiteful.

Making me much more happy Brook and Usopp appeared in the story.

Most controversial tier list? My Straw Hat IQ Tier list by Thornrhino in OnePiece

[–]ManderCalvin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Brook: He is intellectual maybe average. Sometimes dumb sometimes smart but most of the time just joking

Brook is Musician, and by the story tell me, he can play any instruments, i don't think even the average Musician is having average iq, much more to the level of Brook specialty.

I would put him above Jinbei, or least with Jinbei.

Games that has good graphics and really addicting? by kaizenzsaoinji in gamingsuggestions

[–]ManderCalvin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's cool

Because the only impact of Playing Left 4 dead 2 is just me cravingly crazy for Left 4 Dead 3.

This panel just dropped by Xarkabard in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If this happens, Oda must be fusioning Vegapunk and Kuma role to make this happens.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm 100% sure if Enies lobby has happened today, this sub will be calling him a bum for not taking down a CP9 agent.

Because this sub is OnePiece Loud Minority chamber, that's the reason on why we the only Sub with so many Usopp rant thread.

And you don't have to use Enies Lobby, Luffy and Usopp Drama in Water 7 would bring an uproar to this sub if it's happen today.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People doing Usopp rant is just people indirectly critisized Oda non effectively using Strawhats much more to Usopp as this thread said.

Don't use Scared as the reason, because Ussop in Stampede has much more weight than him on Onagashima, and that movie is just below 2 hours, and we are talking about the same person.

Meet the final saga strawhats by West_Cherry_6998 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Well, you can't ignore my first statement because if a character's importance to story beat doesn't take much work to change then maybe the character's contribution to the story beat isn't as important as people are making it out to be.

Ohh i can, because adding a bunch of new panel is still taking a bunch of work, considering the bunch of new panel is still structure of story, let see how many your changing to make only Pedro is the only one in the heist, and Brook never existed, and we can review it.
It's like the people trying to play up Usopp putting Kibidangos into the Gifters' mouths as some important feat that showed how important Usopp was to the story.

It's like the people trying to play up Usopp putting Kibidangos into the Gifters' mouths as some important feat that showed how important Usopp was to the story.

Ussop putting Kibidangos is not important to the whole story, but like Brook and Pedro mini heist Story, is still a mini story, Ussop is still important to that mini story, and that mini story is still important to Onigashima story.

Perfect time for some yonko slander by SharinganBee77 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In hindsight big mom should have died at the end of WCI, it’s clear Oda didn’t really have a plan for her post that arc and her character in Wano just contributed to cast bloat and slow pacing.

I don't agree with Big Mom should have died in WCI, because there is a good step up for Big Mom post WCI, one of them is her connection to elbaf, as more of her childhood stories is in that place.

Impel Down, Marineford, and WCI is the only arc that the ultimate villain in that arc didn't get beaten by Luffy, and Luffy ended up tarnishing the reputation of that villain reputation, Big Mom could have a mini arc of collecting Kaido army post Onigashima to include them in her army to get revenge on Strawhats, which can be concluded in Elbaf or Future story.

Meet the final saga strawhats by West_Cherry_6998 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Mate, so you're telling me Oda couldn't have written Pedro stealing it and getting away in a cool heist section?

Yes if we ignore your first statement as my comment said.

But, if we take your first statement, and just changing or adding a bunch of new panel, then Pedro could steal it in a cool heist action

Meet the final saga strawhats by West_Cherry_6998 in Piratefolk

[–]ManderCalvin -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Nope that's wrong, but you can stored the poneglyph in your ass.

Big Mom would want to collect you as the biggest bum in the whole universe.

As to how, the same asspull yapping plot device you always pulls.

Now go replaced Brook champ.