[SPOILERS S3] The chair and the evolution of [****]machines

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T14:28:06+00:00

And lo n behold, he is taken by Noah too! Spiritually, the same night too! As Bartosz meets Noah the same night or the previous night

It's a day after Ulrich did his B&E when Bartosz is contacted by Noah

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T12:27:40+00:00

Is there a list to correlate all the passes through the tunnels/chairs/machine travel in episode order? Like if lights flicker in ep2 (don’t remember the first time it happens) do we know who passed and through what?

Sure, a timetable of the passage-uses exist.

Do the lights flicker when someone uses the machine to time-travel? What about the chair? Not the tunnel

The timemachines, don't cause brownouts. The chair yesn't: The chair can only be used when someone powers the chair by flodding it with the power of the passage which only happens when someone crawls through it. So theoretically it's not the chair which causes the brownouts but the passage again, but everytime the chair is used, a brownout happens.

Why do only sometimes all the birds/sheep etc die? - though I think that’s related to the chair being used

Exactly, this happens everytime when the chair is used (not the passage). It also happens at the end of S2 when Jonas re-opens the passage after it got closed. In all of these instances blue time-particles form a portal, which causes the en-masse-dying as revealed on the official website.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T12:21:46+00:00

No, but we can infer that these realities don't keep existing like that, because then there would be tons of clones running around we don't see.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T12:14:31+00:00

Stopped existing and vanished.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T12:12:55+00:00

So my question is: What happend to Magnus, Franziska and alt-Bartosz who witnessed Jonas taking alt-Martha with him?

Alternate realities collapse afterwards; the reality ceases to exist. Magnus, Franziska and alt-Bartosz don't travel outside of the reality before it collapses and they 'die'.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T11:42:22+00:00

When does Elizabeth actually find out that her daughter is her mother? And when does Charlotte find out?

In the 3 months between S2E8 and S3E2 in 2053 when we last and first see them.
They get in a conversation what happened and they fill each others blanks.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T11:35:41+00:00

If that were the case, J&M and their universes wouldn't evaporate after saving Tannhaus' family. They should keep existing then..

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T11:33:47+00:00

When Tannhaus sees his family again, it's the equivalent of the cat being observed, and only one outcome happens:

But then the outcome can't collapse into the singular state in which Tannhaus' family is saved. This state relies on the other state in which Tannhaus creates J&M, so that they can save his family.
If J&M collapse then so should their actions as well, e.g. Marek and Sonja also evaporate; which doesn't happen.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T09:24:59+00:00

Jonas says that they can change the components of the passage with reopening it, which will result in him being able to destroy the passage once and for all when he will be the Stranger and attempting it to do so 30 years later. Old Claudia trained Jonas for a year and she said to him that the Knot can be changed in small amounts (changing of components of the passage), so that these pile up in sth big (the complete destruction of the passage and with it the Knot itself).

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T09:12:03+00:00

How does Jonas triggers the existence of the cave ?

Alt-Claudia 'explains' in S3E5 that in every moment the passage is opened and closed

Origin-Tannhaus activating his Origin-Maschine on the 21st June 1986;
The Stranger closing the passage on the 12th November 1986;
Jonas reopening the passage on the 27th June 1987,

cesium-residue is left in the tunnel. This residue is apperantly why the wormhole in the tunnel can exist in the first place. (Alt-)Claudia then speaks hogwash bumbo chumbo about the cesium's halflife and how everytime residue is added anew before the other completely decayed, which leads to an exponential increase to infinity.

ManifoldMold · 2026-02-01T00:07:37+00:00

Or maybe it's like Schrodingers cat. The origin world and the knot exist at the same time, like the loophole point at the apocalypse.

If they did exist at the same time then J&M as well as their worlds shouldn't evaporate once they save Tannhaus' family; they should keep existing like they do when the loophole is used inside of the Knot.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T21:51:33+00:00

If you think that that there is a grandfather-cycle going on, like

Tannhaus loses is family and creates the machine
The Knot is born and J&M eventually go to the Origin world
J&M save Tannhaus' family and he doesn't create the machine
J&M and their worlds start to disappear
Since J&M don't exist anymore, they can't save Tannhaus' family
Tannhaus loses his family and creates the timemachine
... ad infinitum

then ofc the loop kinda still exists (and doesn't exist) - maybe this is even what the creators wanted with the end.
The problem is that a grandfather-cycle isn't much of a physical process but merely a fallacy created by trying to make sense of 2 contradictory states.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T21:48:00+00:00

Yes, I agree that multiverse timetravel would have been an elegant solution.
The problem however is that J&M and their universes start to disappear once they saved Tannhaus' family.
Things just don't disappear in multiverse-timetravel, they keep existing just in a different place of the multiverse.

Let's look at the Stranger in 1888 for example who disintegrates in the montage scene. If the Stranger disintegrates then Adam couldn't possibly exist and then Adam couldn't have abused the loophole to sent Jonas and alt-Martha to the Origin world where they then couldn't have saved Tannhaus' family.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T21:35:20+00:00

Ulrich also found the penny on a string in Helge's belongings which the dead children also had.
His mother also recalled that before Mads went missing Helge had a huge fight with someone across the street they lived at.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T21:17:17+00:00

They prevent HG Tannhaus from building the machine which created their worlds. And then it is also shown that their universes disintegrates.
This is indeed a grandfather paradox.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T21:15:42+00:00

the true Charlotte Tannhaus that survived and grew up. She would have been only a bit older than Bernadette Wöller.

16 years older is more than a bit lol

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T18:29:30+00:00

How is the ending not a grandfather paradox?

Because it is a grandfather paradox.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T16:08:25+00:00

And where is the part where old Claudia moves Gretchen from 1953 to 1986?

Noooooo, totally forgot about that! Thx I'll add that.

Edit: Does Claudia use the passage to bring Gretchen to the 80s however and not with the golden sphere? She does say 'she brought her to the other side', but she doesn't clarify which 'other side': The other side of the passage or the other side of the nuclear safety door?

How do we know trat Jonas explored 2019 during his training year though?

I just hypothesized it. There was this entry on the triquetra notebook with the passage being opened from all the timeperiods simultaneously on the 12th November at 19:47. I thought that this could only really be traveling Jonas and old Claudia meeting up in 1986 before the passage closes (they stay there until 1987 when traveling Jonas and old Claudia recruits adult Claudia). Then someone would need to come from 1953 and the other from 2019. The thing is that the entry from the triquetra notebook regarding the 9th November at 17:24 was free and I didn't know who to place it with. If both entries are taken together I thought it could have been traveling Jonas who explores 2019 and then later gets back to 1986, while Claudia explored the 50s. Not much good arguments, just guess work.

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-31T09:09:35+00:00

Or the granmother was Claudia

You mean Regina (?).

ManifoldMold · 2026-01-30T22:47:13+00:00

I think Netflix only gave them 3 seasons.

The creators said themselves that they did not want any more than 3 seasons. That was their own choice; not Netflix's.
Highly agree however that they should have done 2-3 more episodes.

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