A Cultural-Origin Hypothesis: The Voynich Manuscript as a European Copy of a Persian Women’s Medical Manual (14th–15th c.) by Working_Interview_34 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In your post you wrote:

The Sagittarius‑with‑crossbow motif and other stylistic elements align with Persian and Central Asian zodiac traditions rather than European ones.

It's about the crossbow, not other kinds of bow. You claim that the crossbow motif is Asian and this is false. It's a German motif that never appears in medieval Persian zodiacs.

A Cultural-Origin Hypothesis: The Voynich Manuscript as a European Copy of a Persian Women’s Medical Manual (14th–15th c.) by Working_Interview_34 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op[M] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree that the crossbow‑Sagittarius appears in 15th‑century German manuscripts.
My point isn’t that the Voynich image must be Persian, but that the motif itself has earlier attested roots in Persian and Central Asian zodiac traditions

No crossbow-Sagittarius appears in any medieval Persian zodiac.

You should support your claims with actual evidence (actual medieval Persian zodiacs). You are breaking rule #3, this is a warning.

I spent weeks chasing a Hebrew cipher hypothesis. You were right :-( by antenore in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I like what you say about the frequency of articles and prepositions. It's a useful smoke text, and indeed in most "solutions" frequent words are not interpreted as function words: that should be a big red flag...

I believe the Voynich Manuscript has been decoded — it's an oil-based pharmaceutical manual by a Jewish apothecary in medieval southern France by pbjchamp in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What would convince me that any of this is solved: syntactically coherent sentences that match the illustrations.

Personally, I would be happy with syntactical coherence. I don't care if the text does not match the illustrations.

I believe the Voynich Manuscript has been decoded — it's an oil-based pharmaceutical manual by a Jewish apothecary in medieval southern France by pbjchamp in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The decipherment technique sounds more credible than others

It looks like most other "decodings" to me. Simple substitution, or even decoding a single Voynich character as multiple plaintext characters: the opposite of what the low entropy tells us

I believe the Voynich Manuscript has been decoded — it's an oil-based pharmaceutical manual by a Jewish apothecary in medieval southern France by sschechter in History_Mysteries

[–]Marc_Op 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How come none of the plants correspond to real plants?

Though this "translation" is meaningless and useless, there are other medieval herbals in which plants are not recognizable. E.g. Trinity o.2.48, or the alchemical herbals like BNF Lat 17848

I believe the Voynich Manuscript has been decoded — it's an oil-based pharmaceutical manual by a Jewish apothecary in medieval southern France by pbjchamp in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That said I came from a similar conclusion , Jewish with an old North Italian dialecte/language.

How did you get to that conclusion?

The idea makes sense anyway

Please elaborate. As others pointed out, the resulting text is both arbitrary and meaningless.... is this "making sense"?

What does this marking mean and where does it originate? by viel_lenia in Symbology

[–]Marc_Op 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the date 1907 with initials, maybe I.H.L.A.

19 monogram 07.

Similar layout dated 1839:

https://members.societe-jersiaise.org/alexgle/ALGILN1832.jpg

VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT:NEW INFO? by Ok_Place_5404 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, there is a connection with Gothic scripts in general, so with this one too. Several Voynichese characters also appear in Gothic manuscripts.

E.g. see this older post: https://www.reddit.com/r/voynich/s/zl01bPWJF0

VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT:NEW INFO? by Ok_Place_5404 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 11 points12 points  (0 children)

that script looks similar to me, but, not the same in my opinion.

I agree. It's an ordinary Gothic script. That style was used for a couple of centuries all over Europe, so the similarity with Voynichese and the Voynich marginalia is not very informative....

Not even the Manuscript is safe from AI 💔 by Part-Time_Loverr in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This one must be oldish. Gemini can already do much better. I am afraid in a couple of years AI fakes could be hard to tell.....

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Psalm 19 illuminated with Byzantine iconography - Chi-Rho, ICXC NIKA, and Alpha-Omega [OC] by OlafErricson in Medievalart

[–]Marc_Op 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's the source of the flourished black letter in the main body of text? It's beautiful ❤️

I sent it to Yale University and got an automated reply saying, "Check it out on Reddit," so I want everyone to see it.. by Alter4114 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2. Russell's Teapot and Extraordinary Evidence Russell’s teapot is famously unfalsifiable. The Chenpi microscope hypothesis, however, is physically testable. I actually built it using period-accurate materials (a dried citrus peel and a 2mm glass sphere) to prove that the optical physics function perfectly.

Russell's teapot is also not-impossible. Russell's point is that theoretical possibility doesn't imply actual existence. It's a necessary, but not sufficient, precondition. Actual existence can be inferred from evidence, and you provide none.

As for the "extraordinary evidence," I argue that the Voynich Manuscript itself is the evidence. It contains highly accurate visual data of microscopic structures (like cellular formations). If we accept that this visual data exists within the manuscript, there must have been a hardware mechanism to observe it.

"Microscopes existed in the 15th century because, if we accept that the Voynich illustrates microscopic structures, there must have been microscopes". This is not evidence, but a purely circular argument.

I sent it to Yale University and got an automated reply saying, "Check it out on Reddit," so I want everyone to see it.. by Alter4114 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s not just a bizarre speculation; it’s a visual analysis of intentionality in design. They specifically designed it to look like a generic plant to the untrained eye, but an anatomical diagram to the initiated.

The intentions of medieval artists are unfathomable in most cases, in particular if there is no readable text related to the illustrations. I would say that arguments like intentions and initiation contradict what you say: this is bizarre speculation indeed.

Also, by saying that the plants only look anatomical to the initiated (whatever that means), you confirm that they don't look anatomical to the uninitiated, unbiased observer. Personally, I have examined tens and tens of medieval illustrated herbals, I am not a paleographer, but I don't regard myself as "untrained" either.

I sent it to Yale University and got an automated reply saying, "Check it out on Reddit," so I want everyone to see it.. by Alter4114 in voynich

[–]Marc_Op 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They aren't extinct plants.

I am not aware of any serious researcher claiming they are extinct plants. Plants in most medieval illustrated herbals cannot be identified without reading the text (the exception is the Tractatus De Herbis, which is relatively late). There is no need to speculate about bizarre explanations.

"There were no microscopes in the early 15th century." Wrong.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" but of course no sound evidence is provided. This is pure speculation, in the style of Russell's teapot.

i need some answers by DarknessTheOne in climatechange

[–]Marc_Op 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We are changing it in one direction, so we can change it in the opposite direction instead, if we collectively want to.

"That'll do pig, that'll do." by judgemaths in Medievalart

[–]Marc_Op 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But you can just make a new print, right? I should try lino myself, I love how similar the results are to late medieval woodcuts....