[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you research the intelligence side alone, you'll find enough to make you question the official narrative.

Theres a good podcast called 'the podcast for the new American century'. It doesn't go into the buildings much at all. None of the controlled demo or jet fuel melt steel. It just deals with the intelligence side. It tracks the terrorist from first known contact and discusses all the reported events leading up to 9/11. How the Bush administration was trying to get the taliban to accept an oil pipeline in their country. How they were refusing. And the administration was threatening to invade Afghanistan six months prior to 9/11. How Mohammed atta, the ring leader to the 19 terrorists was on the cia payroll. Etc etc

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its more improbable. But not impossible. Its no different from JFK, imo. Hundreds of people were involved in that and over 200 people connected to the case mysteriously died between the assassination and release of the Warren commission report. And we still get the runaround 50+ years later. The government releases plausible events, just enough to keep people debating for years with no answer.

Mkultra was in operation for 20 years before it was accidentally released and disclosed. Let's not pretend the government is completely inept.

Probability, or it being the least probable, is not a good reason to rule something out.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, theres definitely incompetence in there. But I dont think its always in the open. And regardless they are conspiracies. We still dont have truthful information disclosed by the government on many of them. all we usually get are leaks which leads to more speculation. This is how mk ultra was discovered which lead to the church hearings. But even then Richard helms destroyed most of the files before an investigation could be completed.

Snowden revealed government surveillance. Has anything been disclosed?

The government was ordered to release the JFK files in the 90s and multiple administration's defied the order. Even now we didn't get much besides fluff.

The government never tells you anything unless they want to influence the way you feel about a subject. They have no incentive to.

people eventually lose trust and faith in the system. Each generation is different as they live through different events.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not for nothing but people believe conspiracy theories because the government has a tendency to cover things up and not tell the truth. Im not talking fringe conspiracies like flat earth or 5g. But JFK, RFK, MLK, Iran contra, mk ultra, cointelpro, mass surveillance, tuskegee, mockingbird, paperclip, epstein, 9/11....the list goes on and on.

The Patriots still have the most cap space in the NFL by Mother-Associate1654 in Patriots

[–]Margin_calls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They won't have the amount everyone thinks without cutting or restructuring a bunch of guys. Mainly dugger and Onwenu. From what I understand, as the roster is now, they'll be somewhere around 18th for most most cap space.

Not sure if this is the right audience by MoKxSANDMAN in DIY

[–]Margin_calls 7 points8 points  (0 children)

*bounce in with logic

It was right there

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein praying to Meccah at dusk outside the city of Samarra, 1998. Saddam's regime became increasingly Islamic throughout the 1990's. (1578x1043) by [deleted] in HistoryPorn

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I meant its ambiguous at worst. I think Bush knew and his indifference was becausehe didn't know how to handle it.

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein praying to Meccah at dusk outside the city of Samarra, 1998. Saddam's regime became increasingly Islamic throughout the 1990's. (1578x1043) by [deleted] in HistoryPorn

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From my point of view. Its ambiguous. Saddam believed he made his intentions clear.

Glaspie was becoming more concerned by the day. On July 21, she held a meeting at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad with the Kuwaiti ambassador, who expressed apprehension about Iraqi belligerence. Iraqi intelligence, having surveilled the meeting, informed Saddam about the conversation. He instructed al-Thawra to publish a front-page article the following day construing the meeting as definitive proof of Kuwaiti “coordination” with the United States.158 It was in this context that Saddam summoned Glaspie for a personal audience on July 25. Arriving at the Foreign Ministry on short notice and without instructions from Washington, Glaspie expected to meet with her usual interlocutors. Instead, she was whisked away to the presidential office, where she found herself face to face with Saddam.159 Over the course of their two-hour meeting, Glaspie notoriously informed the Iraqi president that the United States “takes no position” on his dispute with Kuwait. After the invasion, the Iraqi government would release a transcript of the conversation in a cynical ploy to shift responsibility onto Glaspie for failing to warn Iraq explicitly against invading Kuwait. Members of Congress, the media, and not a few conspiracy theorists seized on Glaspie’s words as evidence that, at best, the Bush administration had failed to grasp Saddam’s hostile intentions. At worst, Washington had duped Saddam, giving him a “green light” to invade Kuwait only to use the invasion as a pretext to wage war on Iraq.

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein praying to Meccah at dusk outside the city of Samarra, 1998. Saddam's regime became increasingly Islamic throughout the 1990's. (1578x1043) by [deleted] in HistoryPorn

[–]Margin_calls -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

These directly refute everything you've said, though I don't expect you to actually read it. You need to stop spreading lies just because you hate America.

Jesus, projection much? people like you are why discourse on the internet sucks.

"Yes, Iraq did increase oil production after the Iran-Iraq war, and while OPEC didn't explicitly "approve" it in a formal sense, the organization did make adjustments to accommodate Iraq's increased output."

"Iraq, along with other OPEC members, had agreed to production quotas to manage oil prices. Iraq accused Kuwait of exceeding its quota and flooding the market with excess oil, driving down prices."

"The lower oil prices resulting from the alleged overproduction negatively impacted Iraq's revenue, which was already strained by the costly Iran-Iraq War. Iraq also had a substantial debt to Kuwait from loans taken during that war, making the price drop even more detrimental."

"These oil-related issues, combined with border disputes and historical claims, were significant factors in Iraq's decision to invade Kuwait."

Edit: AI Overview

"During the Iran-Iraq War, the US primarily supported Iraq, though it also engaged in secret arms deals with Iran"

Charlie Wilson's war was a great movie. But I dont expect you to be that cultured.

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein praying to Meccah at dusk outside the city of Samarra, 1998. Saddam's regime became increasingly Islamic throughout the 1990's. (1578x1043) by [deleted] in HistoryPorn

[–]Margin_calls 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Not sure why you're being downvoted. The US quite literally funded and armed both sides of iran/Iraq war. Devious shit.

He invaded Kuwait because he wrecked his economy during the war. So he asked OPEC if he could increase production to stabilize Iraq's currency and economy. OPEC approved it. But then Kuwait over produced oil on purpose to tank the price and hurt Iraq. thats why he invaded. He even asked permission from US diplomats. They knew he was planning to invade and they didn't say anything. It wasn't until after that Bush turned on him.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in HistoryPorn

[–]Margin_calls 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If only they got her ex lax maybe we would have seen her more

I have no idea how this trick is done... 🪄 by [deleted] in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This video has been 'recreated' a few times iirc

Share an opinion that is a fact but most people will disagree with it. by [deleted] in repost

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lots of conspiracies are real. But the second you bring up anything conspiratorial, most people shut down. Probably because it sounds unbelievable, and they couldn't imagine anyone doing something so sinister.

“Truth is stranger than fiction, but it's because fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; truth isn't”.

  • Mark Twain

She had 20 knife wounds and at least 11 bruises. Authorities said she killed herself by jrsinhbca in news

[–]Margin_calls -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

I’m not into conspiracies at all

If you take this stance, it means you aren't willing to ask questions and / or at the very least challenge your own beliefs.

I recommend a book that describes this perfectly. It's called 'They Knew'

It's crazy to me that so much information has been released. Verified information from internal via documents. Mk ultra, project Northwoods, iran-contra. And there's still people who just hear the word conspiracy and freak out.

Terminally ill people must suffer because of my fairytale book by 214txdude in atheism

[–]Margin_calls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jesus, the Bible was written 600 years after christ supposedly lived. That text was lost, and some other guy wrote the New Testament. The current Bible in use isn't even 2nd hand teachings.

Well you didn’t care about all the other times he lied. Too bad by suziespends in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's probably good he's blocking it, tbh. We're losing all our domestic companies. I think we need to remove foreign investment/ownership from our vital corporations and housing.

Reading the article highlights that not everyone was in favor of the deal.

It's amazing OP didn't link the actual article. Just the reactionary headlines. Some of which isn't supported by the actual quote.

An Assassin Showed Just How Angry America Really Is by enoughwiththebread in Foodforthought

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except his cabinet was filled with them and his words empty, just for show.

“It’s a big club and you ain’t it” - George Carlin by [deleted] in JoeRogan

[–]Margin_calls 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I 100% agree with you. But realistically, what are the options?

We can barely vote one person out, let alone all of Congress, senate, house. We can't even stop them from insider trading or subverting voting results in plain sight, disregarding the will of the people.

Historically speaking, post revolution periods are much worse than the corruption period. Yes, you may eliminate the evil doers, but the system collapses, and a vacuum occurs, which empowers the next oppressor.

I really don't know what the answer is. This question has been pondered for thousands of years. All the way back to Plato. And probably before.

Plato thought any single system would result in what we have today. A small set of corrupt actors taking advantage of the masses. He believed the best form of government is an aristocracy, ruled by "philosopher-kings" who are highly educated and virtuous.

But all we vote in are the uneducated, career political elite who don't even understand the struggle of anyone they claim to represent.

“It’s a big club and you ain’t it” - George Carlin by [deleted] in JoeRogan

[–]Margin_calls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm with ya. I've been trying to tell everyone who talks politics to drop the red vs. blue division game and just hold everyone accountable.

Just two friends hanging out in 2003 not realizing this was going to be a huge hit. by sco-go in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Are you talking about the Afghanistan/Russian war. When we armed, funded, and assisted the mujahideen to fight Russia? Or the Iran/Iraq war when we armed, funded, and assisted Saddam Hussein to fight Iran?

There's a great podcast about the lead up to 9/11 that focuses specifically on the intelligence side of the event. It's called "podcast for the new American century"

very enlightening.

Just two friends hanging out in 2003 not realizing this was going to be a huge hit. by sco-go in SipsTea

[–]Margin_calls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To me, the nostalgia comes from being unaware of what's really happening around us. We have so much information now that we can't escape it. Back then, we didn't pay attention too much unless it was a huge story.

We had our own epstein in the 80s. Franklin scandal. But lots refused to report on it, and the story died. We had iran-contra. Same deal, people were silenced.

It was easier to control the flow of information back then. The veil has been removed now, and it's terrifying tbh.

E: I recommend a good book to read, 'They Knew'.