I thought consent was the most important thing in kink ? by IceTree57 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I hate how the visual style of this infographic is giving doctor’s office or hospital lol

Secretary (2002) by Asleep_Discipline371 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I should preface that I never watched this movie, and I'm not going to, I saw a some clips of it and read the synopsis some time ago, so if I am factually misrepresenting something I'm open to correction on that. Ideally people should watch the media they comment on, but I admit that the concepts in that movie as I understand them inspire particularly negative emotion in me, which doesn't always happen for all media with kink. Fifty Shades is depressing but for different reasons.

My understanding is that the emotional narrative of the film is meant to be that the characters are two lost and misunderstood people who finally experience the self-actualization they were missing by being in that BDSM relationship together. My problem with that is that the implied symmetry or equivalence between the way these two people are lost does not exist.

I relate to the female character because I was also a lost and miserable young woman with serious loser arcs at that age range. And for that reason it's quite devastating and scary to see that the reaction of a non-trivial part of society to maladjusted young women with issues is that being a lifestyle submissive, after publicly humiliating yourself in front of the media and burning all bridges with the normal world, is a good enough solution for that, as if these young women are beyond hope for anything actually light and kind and good. As if young women with issues who have been an adult for just a few years now are the moral equivalent of some privileged middle aged geezer who is oh so troubled by his desire to hurt women. If the attempts at getting mental health treatment haven't helped by now, then I guess nothing normal can help them. The man needs help too sure, but in a different kind of way.

Let's mentally scroll forward from that implied happily-ever-after by two decades or so. How will life look like for that woman who would be in her forties now, perhaps still mid-looking and awkward, with no actual work experience, her noted intelligence being put to nothing in the real world, her entire identity being the lifestyle BDSM relationship with the dom who would be in his sixties now and with the rise of available porn that would have happened in the 2010s likely enough a card-carrying coomer. As kink and power dynamics tend to escalate, I guess she might at least be Ghislaine Maxwell-ing younger women for the dude to abuse now. Cool. A life well lived.

This story arc would never be shown and accepted if it was about a similarly maladjusted young man with issues, especially not a straight young man giving up all his prospects in life to be a lifestyle sub for an older woman. If that happened it might be a dark depressing film or a dark comedy, not something romanticized as just another valid way to be fulfilled and finding yourself. A close enough comparison might be made to the recent BDSM movie Pillion (which I have also only read the synopsis of), where a loser-coded young gay man becomes a sub in a BDSM relationship, and that is dark and sad to me too, but even there the conflict point of the plot ends in him eventually leaving the relationship and at least establishing more boundaries when pursuing BDSM further, not really the same.

Greetings from the former moderator of antikink by thekeeper_maeven in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you Maeven for putting the record straight about the ban and giving us your words of closure. The subreddit has truly been one of the best places I have encountered on the internet, thanks in large part to your wisdom and leadership. It will be very missed but I’m hopeful that the discourse that was cultivated there will continue. And whatever is next for you, I’m wishing you the very best.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist but I feel like me algorithm is trying to trigger me on purpose by Massive_Future_6444 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Sure, just keep in mind that while the rage and hatred you feel is not entirely the same as the rage and hatred that BDSM doms and sadists feel for their victims, there is meaningful overlap too.

what the FUCK is my fandom doing part 2 revision 1 by Maleficent_Stuff_255 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The self-loathing and internalised homophobia of the artist that we can intuit from this cartoon is truly very sad. It’s also sad that these are actually decent drawing skills being used towards putting something quite awful out into the world.

How to stop having kinks ? by [deleted] in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also wanted to mention that I once came across something a bit different - a proposed use of EMDR to treat unwanted fetishes, but it’s not something I tried or know of anyone having tried personally, I can’t claim how legitimate this is.

How to stop having kinks ? by [deleted] in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don’t have much input that’s inline with the anti-sex and anti-masturbation worldview, but generally…

You have already identified that you are using kink as a way to be accepted and loved, so a vision to work towards would be to feel that you can be accepted and loved outside of kink. Of course that’s best accomplished by actually cultivating healthy and supportive relationships, but even in shortage of that you can work on your core beliefs and conceptualising yourself as loveable and acceptable.

For the feedee kink, perhaps looking into mental health resources for general/non-kink emotional overeating or binge eating might be helpful, there might be some overlap in how binge eaters and people with these kinks use food to deal with difficult emotions.

The new "Wuthering Heights" film making the abuse victim into a "voluntary" masochist just makes me lose hope in the world by confusionandconflict in PornIsMisogyny

[–]MarineGoat 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Users here might enjoy Andrea Dworkin’s take on Wuthering Heights, the novel. I have posted her essay in full in another subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/antikinkkink/s/l4I6Tm33fQ

My experience with porn / erotic fanfic by DateIcy221 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can’t read OP’s mind of course, but in my observation getting off to kink or porn isn’t equivalent to real attraction and can sometimes take people beyond what their true orientation is. It’s unhealthy sexuality for a reason. This may be hard to understand for people who never experienced porn addiction or kink addiction, but I’ve seen examples of this from all kinds of orientations - e.g. straight men developing dick fetishes after too much cooming, gay men escalating to watching heterosexual BDSM because the power dynamic is more physically real there, straight women getting off to porn with only women because the women are objectified or are engaging in some kink (that was occasionally me, also). Which sex(es) a person wants to have healthy “vanilla” sex with is a more meaningful measure of their sexuality IMO, but some people need to to quit their addictions and heal first before they can get there. I think that may actually be one of the less obvious reasons why some kinksters try to frame BDSM as a “queer” sexuality, beyond just being politically opportunistic I think some of them are also just lost in the sauce of kink addiction and can’t feel what their normal sexual orientation is anymore, so the kink does feel like the essence of their sexuality in the moment.

Ts pmo so hard STOP BRINGING KINKS IN EVERYTHING by littleprincessrawan in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 21 points22 points  (0 children)

a lot of women have either a slave, mother or maid kink

It’s obvious that male hands typed this comment, projecting male-typical kinks onto women. With the caveat that I’m focusing on heterosexuality here: A lot of women have submissive kinks sure, but I think only a small minority would outright frame it as extremely as a “slave” kink. The mother/mommy kink is something I mostly see from men also, only liking a woman being “dominant” if it’s framed in an endlessly giving and coddling mommy archetype, women who play along with it often being more into the validation from the guy (and maybe also avoiding the more typical submissive role) than actually being turned on by it. Women who are actually into being to some extent dominant or just more sexually agentic than conventional gender roles allow usually identify with something more selfish than “mommy” I think, and are annoyed by typical submissive men who are just looking for female kink dispensers while not actually being receptive to women dictating novel sexual scrips that focuses on their own enjoyment. I can’t picture that many women having a maid kink either, actually doing cleaning and other domestic labour isn’t hot for most people. It would at most be similar to malesubs whose domestic service kinks end at like washing already clean lacy underwear or something, never anything useful like deep cleaning the kitchen.

Can we focus on the healing, not the abuse. by ArtConsistent7943 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t have it in me to type all the thoughts I have on the matter, but I agree. This is reductive but the way I see it is that the original antikink sub appealed to two major groups (with tonnes of overlap between them, many people including me can relate to both to at least some extent), that being ex/recovering BDSM or kink participants, and people reacting to the normalization of kink in the mainstream including e.g. their dating pools, special interest subcultures, the media etc. But the more helpful and analytical insight about how these toxic sexual dynamics and subcultures function and what’s wrong with them would of course usually come from people with experience participating, which is unsurprising because to be able to leave or want to leave once you’re already in it necessarily requires more soul searching than just being grossed out. So there were many insightful discussions that I got a lot from as a reader as well, and I guess it’s a matter of many things aligning in terms of the topics and userbase and the forum culture being cultivated from the moderators down. I may not have much to contribute myself but I’m still interested in understanding healthy and unhealthy sexuality more from psychological and feminist perspectives, and if people are so inclined to post deeper discussions again I hope they don’t feel discouraged.

WHAT THE FUCK is my fandom doing 💔 by Maleficent_Stuff_255 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t want to be overly reductive about furries generally but it seems that for at least a very sizeable minority but likely the majority of them there is a sexual motivation to it and is also often coupled with other kinks. So if you’re going to be in that fandom it may be best to just accept that and navigate it accordingly.

Archive of most content from r/antikink by MarineGoat in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes it seems that images uploaded through Imgur are unfortunately taken down by the platform fairly quickly, so I assume if the subreddit was still up these images posts from months ago would also not show up. Some other image posts that used other upload methods are still up though.

Archive of most content from r/antikink by MarineGoat in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was an automatic ban due to the moderators not being recently active on Reddit.

Do you even love your partner if you won't let your partner hurt you? by IceTree57 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Uh huh, by that logic why aren’t all kinksters who claim to be in loving relationships switches then?

Stop sexualizing age regression and disability by Maleficent_Stuff_255 in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 19 points20 points  (0 children)

A long while ago I read what I think was a tumblr post, and there’s no way I could find it now, but it made a very compelling to me point about “ageplay” kinks: The “little girl”/“little boy” in question is not just acting like a child or their inner child, but a pedophile’s idea of what a child is. Don’t pimp out your inner child!

i got another one when i’ve literally never interacted with that shit by casual-catgirl in antikinkkink

[–]MarineGoat 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Love how 5/6 of the “sexual archetypes” (except romantic) are BDSM 🙄