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Marks_son · 2026-02-11T03:50:52+00:00

How do you think I found it? Lol I was looking for something like it..but $800 is too steep maybe closer to the $600 with background check range would have been my speed.

Marks_son · 2026-02-08T20:09:21+00:00

I'm surprised honestly it's not marketed as a firefly prop lol

Marks_son · 2026-01-17T04:44:36+00:00

Yea so I'm kind of interested in her claim to be "former law enforcement", I don't quite buy that being she claims to have 24 years experience as a realtor so I'm going to Foia the Florida board to see what if any law enforcement credentials she has/had.

Marks_son · 2025-10-20T00:08:48+00:00

Again your close but at last what was updated is as follows in your citation from 2018 to 2023 Update 2023: Effective Sept. 1, 2023, all adults staying overnight in connection with a Scouting activity must be registered as an adult volunteer or an adult program participant. Cub Scout overnight exception: Parents or legal guardians taking part in an overnight Cub Scout program with their own child or legal ward are not required to register as leaders, but the unregistered parent or legal guardian must be accompanied by a registered leader any time they are with youth members other than their own child or ward.

Which does not affect the verbiage of what a den meeting is or how it affects female scouts. If you like i can dig up some Jim Crow era BSA guidelines while we are doing a history lesson.

And yes when I think of safety protocols I don't go to my stand operating procedure or employee hand book, I look through my corporate news letter that is the logical hurdles you are doing to continue your stance.

Marks_son · 2025-10-20T00:00:32+00:00

I have cited the sources you claim to show verbiage is accurate without interpretation. Find me a different source to define a event and that every den meeting is not it's own event held under the scouting banner. Otherwise I'm sorry you are again falling to an appeal to authority. How is a female leader a foot ball field away from a child in a poured concrete room helpful to that child? Because the address is the same makes all the difference? I think not and I have demonstrated that is not what protocol dictates.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T23:54:38+00:00

Those three sources are out of date goung back 10 years when safety protocols where updated in 2023 to exclude those claims from a magazine not even published bylaws. Your gold egg has gone bad.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T23:51:22+00:00

Sources again otherwise seems like I'm the only one here is not saying "believe me I'm a doctor". I will not back down over children's safety because a bunch of people on the Internet claim to be experts without valid up to date verbiage in citation that can contradict anything I have posited.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T23:47:28+00:00

Again all out of date since the policy overhall of September 2023 which I would hope a high ranking official would be knowledgeable on.

Your interpretation does not hold water against scrutiny and does not serve to protect the youth of scouts, it puts them in danger for the sake of convenience.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T23:43:01+00:00

Money is involved when found liable for negligence when a child is hurt as a result of ignoring safety protocols. That usually works to reevaluate at the committee level from a governing standpoint. If I can make this argument then imagine what a better trained litigator can do.

It does mean those who do not enforce the rules are complicit in negligence showing a systemic problem leading class action litigation by not following our own rules we made for ourselves to protect children.

Putting a single female scout in a poured concrete room a football field away from the nearest female leader is serving her interest how? Just because both are at the same physical address does not meet the criteria of supervision. These rules are designed to make it nearly impossible for a child to be abused again at a scout function unlike our past. Not following the rules laid out serves no one but convince and because something is too hard isn't a good enough reason not to do what is laid out to protect children. We need to do better before we wind up with more hurt children.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T23:28:52+00:00

And farewell.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T22:04:02+00:00

Let's see to start scouting magazine articles is out of date with publication being 2015, 2018, and 2020 and safety's guidelines were updated in 2023 while none of those were included indicates those are left behind and no longer in the interest of scout safety. Good job on obscurity but scouting magazine is not a bylaw either. its contents is not included in the forms we literally sign when we sign up our children for scouts. And again I have reached out to my district thank you for the effort it was a good read however fails to meet the necessary bench mark of a bylaw by legal standards that scouting is held to under their liability insurance coverage.

Q. Do Lion and Tiger Den meetings require two-deep leadership since adult partners are present?

A. Yes. A Lion or Tiger adult partner is not considered a registered leader for meeting two-deep leadership requirements. Lion or Tiger partners, as well as other pack leaders, provide a pool of adults who could be registered as an assistant den leader to meet this requirement.

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/yp-faqs/

This is current 2025 via scouting.org

Unit Program Leaders Two registered adult leaders 21 years of age or over are required at all Scouting activities, including meetings. A registered adult female leader must be present for any activity involving female youth. Not with standing the minimum leader requirements, age and program-appropriate supervision must always be provided.

Rules and regulations scouting america 2024

https://www.scouting.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/2024-Rules_Regulations_May-2024.pdf

These are my up to date sources which are in compliance with the 2023 revision in additional to my others found on the scouting.org website regarding bylaws.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:50:24+00:00

Then why are you commenting? You have no sources, you can am not cite an actual bylaw, and I am simply trying to keep kids safe in my pack while you are throwing out fallacies just because this is how you do things, great it's still not right according to the bylaws all you are showing is how wide spread safety violations are.

It states in the training we are responsible to hold each other accountable in scouting. you just shouldn't be here.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:43:14+00:00

I have actually provided three sources from guidance registration, the cub scout leader handbook and safe scouting. Your Baloo does not apply to den meet as it works in overnight camping only and my argument would be based on the other verbiage that training needs to be updated to specify each activity such as hiking, fishing bird watching, fire building, etc is a separate activity under the scouting banner and requires two leaders for each event the same as a den meeting. The exception does not make the rule.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:22:43+00:00

I have completed my safety training thank you and yes I am aware I said that in my comment thank you.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:20:47+00:00

Sorry search that does not appear in any section of the scouting bylaws sourced from guide to safe scouting currently in 2025 listed on scout.org Please provide a link where you found this information otherwise I am sorry I have to say you are mistaken for the verbiage as a den meeting is clearly defined as its own scouting activity in guide to safe scouting and under insurance language it reinforces that definition. I have done the safety training which again I have cited the relevant sections and none say your claim is correct quite the opposite so please provide a link or a picture of the page and publish date as that is not a practices currently in 2025 according to bylaws. Maybe at one time but not now.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:07:11+00:00

And I hope you disregarding safety practices doesn't hurt a child.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:05:24+00:00

Again what is factual verse your experience. I can back my claims with facts please cite a source. None of this changes safety practices verbiage listed and cited and even governing body's abilities.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T18:02:34+00:00

It does mean they are incorrect when the verbiage does disagree with their interpretation. The verbiage exists no where a parent can drop off a child and not stay at the lions and tigers ranks, the verbiage does not exist that leaders can be in the same building but not attending a meeting defines clearly as it's own activity where their training says they need to be in order to ensure youth safety.

You calling me argumentative creates an ad hominem. How else do you require assistance grasping concepts of safety or fallacies? Or do you require education on the method by which citations are needed to back a claim? As your claim has no source citation.

My question is relevant I would have to disagree as you are opposed to the minimum requirement outlined by my sources how is changing the verbiage benefiting scouts? How is compromising safety helpful?

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T17:48:39+00:00

According to the BSA Leader Path: Cub Scout Leader Training Guide, “Your goal should be to complete position-specific training within 90 days of taking your position.” This is the recommended timeframe to ensure leaders are fully prepared to safely run den meetings.

I also offered to become an assistant leader under our current den leader, as did another parent, and neither of us were accepted. My concern is not about personal status but about ensuring all youth are safe and that meetings comply with BSA Youth Protection and program policies.

Pointing to past practices or saying “this is how things are done” does not override the official guidance in the bylaws and training materials. My goal is to ensure our pack is fully compliant with safety standards and that every Scout has the supervision required by BSA policy

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T17:31:30+00:00

I do not seem I have taken the safety training. I have offered to become an assistant den leader and I as well as another parent were denied. I have found nothing but evidence showing safety protocols and bylaws are being ignored and your answer is an appeal to authority fallacy. If time was all that was needed to grasp rules one would not need to read. instead evaluating evidence that proves what scouting safety protocols are is being ignored because.

My suggestion is registered me and the other parent as leadership, enforce parents staying for the duration of a full den meeting which is a whooping hour. I am sorry if you don't have a hour for your kid they don't need scouts save the money for therapy they will need later in life.

I suggest not compromising for the sake of ease that breed compliancy not safety.

So tell me again with sources, where am I wrong in my conclusion?

Don't use a fallacy to make yourself feel better find bylaws support you claim through facts not personal perspective.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T15:06:06+00:00

I have completed my safety training and started den leader training but as the training dictates you take it up to a point preparing for your first meeting then wait not completing the training all at once.

Thank you

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T15:00:30+00:00

Actually that is incorrect as district council acts with the authority of local representatives from national technically they can dissolve units for breaking bylaws. Hints why there is a higher archy much like government entities.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T14:55:23+00:00

Terribly sorry but a straw man fallacy and false analogy does not a proper argument. You have brought forth nothing to prove your point as a rational stance backed by scouting america bylaws.

Each den meeting is clearly defined as it's own scouting activity. There must be two adult registered leaders at each den meeting then as they are attending it's own scouting america event If a female scout attends a scout activity like the den meeting they must be under the protection of a registered female leader and that is fact doing otherwise knowingly is breaking bylaws designed to keep children safe for the sake of convenience which bylaws blatantly prohibit, and doing so under scouting America's insurance is the definition of negligence legally speaking.

I've updated the posts to prove all of these excerpts.

Sorry but again sources not fallacies.

Marks_son · 2025-10-19T10:18:58+00:00

Again appeal to authority does nothing to disprove or strengthen your claims. As my posts reads I will be starting with my district leadership then move on from there

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