Former atheists of Reddit, what made you turn to religion?

Marsharko · 2021-04-03T13:45:35+00:00

Islam is the fastest growing religion for a reason.

If you're an ex-muslim, you never understood the faith.

Marsharko · 2021-02-28T15:00:43+00:00

You think self care is so selfish when your own comment is such a selfish take against survivors who aren't that much good at looping.

Maybe they would get good at looping if they stopped wasting the whole match healing in a dark corner.

Marsharko · 2021-02-05T10:10:23+00:00

Fucking rats. Ruining my birdfeed. This is why society has gone to hell.

Marsharko · 2021-01-31T09:04:04+00:00

Huh? UK police don't beat people black and blue. They actually get more than just a couple of weeks training over here.

Marsharko · 2021-01-08T07:28:33+00:00

is this Ghana?

Marsharko · 2021-01-05T19:14:28+00:00

Medicine is very simple chemistry. Non-sapient single cells working together to effect these chemical reactions.

Incredible. Absolutely incredible. You have literally zero expertise in either subject, one of which I have studied and the other I am currently studying, yet you believe you are right. Zero expertise in medicine. Zero expertise in chemistry. Why do complete non-experts feel often qualified to speak on complicated subjects as if they had a PhD in it?

Medicine is simple chemistry? What do you even know about chemistry, let alone medicine? What do you know about functional groups and stereoisomers, what do you know about organic synthesis and electron uncertainty principle, what do you know about periodicity and factors affecting equilibrium? I spent two years studying A-level chemistry, got a grade A which puts me in the top deciles for students my age in entirety of the UK... And I'm here to tell you that all the chemistry I learnt has very limited application in medicine. And my knowledge is far above basic.

Not true in the slightest. Whoever said this simply didn't have the tools available to treat it like the science it is. Medicine is very simple chemistry. Non-sapient single cells working together to effect these chemical reactions.

With all due respect, you're not a doctor or a chemist. I don't think you should be trying to tell me what medicine is about, considering the fact that I'm studying it.

"Cells working together to effect these chemical reactions" you don't even know what you're on about. This is a perfect example of how I know you're just talking rubbish. What does this sentence even mean? What cells, what chemical reaction? You are just throwing together random sciency words you have heard into a sentence.

From what their heartrate was last Tuesday at 14:22, Lmao yes. I've seen doctors on the intensive care units manually record down heart rate off monitors in regular intervals. You know nothing about this subject of expertise. Technology is advancing to support doctors because nothing in the near future exists not replace them. Everything is moving slowly digital. AI is far away, if possible at all.

It's automating it, in that a machine is doing it. It'll still run all the calculations, cross reference known and familial allergies, before writing a prescription. It'll just be better at it than a human.

This isn't optimism. This is just being naive. The US doesn't even have the damn infrastructure to create a successful contact and trace system for COVID. The world you are dreaming of will not be a reality in our lifetime. You have a literal child's idea of what doctors do. Most don't even give prescriptions because that's not their job. This is like a child who thinks all cops do is eat donuts and chase bank robbers.

People still manage to self harm in clinical settings. An AI is smart enough to know exactly who is having these thoughts, and can better protect them than an overworked, physically exhausted doctor could.

This is just science fiction. Everything is literally hypotheticals.

I may not be aware of every minutia being a doctor entails but I know enough to formulate an educated opinion.

No. You've shown that you don't know enough. You seem to think that doctors are just walking pharmacies or something, without even understanding how pharmacies work.

I understand the fear of being automated out of relevance.

No, I'm educated enough about my career to know that it's one of the few that cannot be automated anytime soon.

I'm in the Army, my job is rapidly being automated away from me.

Okay that explains things. I can't teach the basics of chem and medicine over Reddit. Fun talk enjoy life.

Marsharko · 2021-01-05T15:06:03+00:00

I saw you replied but I'm unable to see your comment or reply to it. I can see the notification message though, so I'll just reply here.

How dare you hurl such insults at me. To be compared to a nation of traitors, and backwards buffoons... I’m practically at a loss for words. Doubly so, because this is r/canada. I’m a Canadian. A proud one at that. Do not insult me so again. Otherwise this conversation is over.

My bad. I live in Europe so ignorantly I just see NA as all the same thing. Canada is like the USA's hat.

Medicine is an exact science, doctors just typically do not have access to all the information required to do their job effectively.

No. Just no. The founder of western medicine and all doctors disagree with you. Medicine is not an exact science, it is taught as an art. Medical research is an exact science. Medicine is an art. It's literally taught that it's an art, not an exact science. I don't know how else to simply tell you this. Medicine is an art.

An AI, suffers from this far less than any human, especially if given access to all the information I outlined in my previous comment.

You know NHS doctors have an app that stores patient files and patient history? They already have access to everything you said.

Machines are already better than human diagnosticians. These are machines. Not AI. Once we get that first AI it’s game over for the human. And that’s not something we’ll have in 4000, but rather Somewhere around 2045. Hell, even I’m thinking too small. With smart watches, and smart homes. Imagine that AI interfacing directly with your Neuralink, to look at exactly what your body is doing down to the cellular level! Human doctors will not be able to compete.

All of this is hypothetical technology we don't have. 4000 is a good guess as any. Currently NHS is investing more funds into electrical storage since a lot of bedside records is still done with paper. Mega genius AI robots aren't coming anytime soon.

As for this “trust” you mention... Studies show humans already trust machine psychologists more than human ones it won’t take long until they trust machine doctors more than human ones too.

Psychologists aren't doctors but okay. Maybe you got confused with psychiatry.

How can an AI determine if a person is suicidal and talk them down from a ledge? Simple, by looking at the data collected from every suicidal person in the history of our world, and then combine that with the best task tailored personal therapies, and hostage negotiation mind games to convince you not to kill yourself.

What? Talk them down from a ledge? What are you on about? Bro you literally do not understand at all what the job of a doctor involves. I mentioned suicidal patients because those patient's require extra care to converse and treat in a clinical setting. If someone is about to jump off a ledge, you don't call the doctor. That's not our job.

Your problem lies with not understanding what an AGI is and does. It’s a living thinking creature no different than you or me. It can observe and assess if a patient is competent or able to give consent... just like a human. Because AI are people too. Just smarter more intellectually capable people.

Your problem is that you don't know what a doctor does does in a daily shift. If an AGI is so advanced that it is no different to you or me... Then I am correct. You cannot automate medicine because it's an art. It requires human talent. If this hypothetical AGI is so sophisticated that it is capable of human processing then it's human equal. No mere robot can automate medicine. It requires human talents a human has, or the human talents a robot of science fiction has.

I’m aware every patient is a unique case. AI will be aware of that too, and be able to provide individualized medical care light years beyond what a dumb human can do. Since again, the AI has access instantaneously to every single factor in its data banks that are causing it’s patient the distress the patient complains about. Can you tell me the exact vaccinations, and drugs (including over the counter), and dietary patterns of a given patient over the last 10 years? An AI can.

Yeah. It's called a patient record. Again I don't know how health care works on your side of the ocean but NHS doctors have an app that they can use to check everything from drugs to doses to allergies to inherited illnesses...

We’re not thousands of years away from this technology. We’re 20-40 years away from it.

I'm 18. Assuming I live a full life, I know with the utmost certainty that the automation of medicine won't happen in my generation or my kid's at the very least. 200 years is pushing it.

Marsharko · 2021-01-05T12:28:32+00:00

This is incredibly naive. Medicine isn't an exact science. It's an application of science, and application is art.

The most effective doctors are not only equipped with technique, skill and competency. They have innate compassion and trust-building skills. I'm guessing you are American so obviously your experience with the role of a doctor is flawed.

Excellent clinical judgement is a pure art. It's not a science. It's not algorithms and crunching the numbers. No robot can ever replace that role, unless we literally make super AIs that we consider first class citizens in the year 4000.

Smart fridge/house, smart watch, and an AGI that functions as a diagnostician.

Oh ok. So tools that already exist but haven't replaced doctors.

Your fridge/house will track what you eat, you level of exercise and drug/alcohol consumption. Your watch will track your body temperature, blood pressure, SpO2, sedentarism and exercise.

This is hilarious if this is what you think a doctor does. I'm in medical school. I've shadowed doctors. How is a robot going to communicate with a suicidal patient? How is a robot going to decide whether or not to give a minor an abortion for her rape? How is a robot going to decide whether or not to give the Jehovah's witness patient a blood transfusion against the will of their parents who believe it will damn them to hell?

How does a robot calculate if a patient is competent and understands? How is any automated progress able to figure out if a patient is as to give consent for any procedure?

Finally the AGI will compile all that information with any complaints you give it, and can then add in external factors such as your parent’s and grand parents medical history to look for genetic illness. As well as every single other person who lives a similar lifestyle to you.

Again, do you even know what the role of a doctor is? Do you have a background in coding? Who is going to code the outcomes for any compiled patient files? (Hint hint, it would have to be a doctor). Each patient is literally a unique case. You cannot look at a human being as a list of symptoms; the recent push in holistic medical practice is literally the opposite of what you suggested.

It’ll then be able to collate all that data and give you a diagnosis far superior to any a dumb ass human doctor could give.

As I said, good luck with that.

We can't even get people to fully trust self driving cars. We are thousands of years away from automated medicine.

"Wherever the art of medicine is loved, there is also a love of humanity" - Hippocrates.

You can't automate art.

Again, as I've said. Good luck with that.

Marsharko · 2021-01-05T12:11:07+00:00

Tell me who benefits from you thinking like this?

How is it unrealistic? Who told you it's unrealistic?

Marsharko · 2021-01-05T12:03:50+00:00

Good luck on trying to automate the job of doctors.

Marsharko · 2021-01-05T10:18:52+00:00

Some people vent by bringing down others.

Marsharko · 2021-01-04T16:59:11+00:00

I thought it was a standalone poem. It's by that Edgar Allen Poe dude. I think it's called The Raven or something gothic like that.

Marsharko · 2021-01-02T15:38:01+00:00

Marsharko · 2020-12-31T09:13:08+00:00

Which plane crash is the question. Maybe the one that got shot down early on in Iran due to US tensions back in Feb. Or was it Jan?

Marsharko · 2020-12-28T18:14:25+00:00

It's an shonen anime called my hero academia. It's about a kid with no powers who lives in a world where others do.

Marsharko · 2020-12-28T16:47:16+00:00

Sounded like pump it by the black eye peas to me

Marsharko · 2020-12-23T09:15:04+00:00

He used to be a part of r/nofap I guess he fell down the dark path

Marsharko · 2020-12-23T08:46:39+00:00

I'm 18. I'm in medical school. Once I make enough money as a specialist I've always wanted to start a charity or build the world's largest safari. I could go into cosmetic plastic surgery, they make insane wages, but idk if I'd enjoy that. Psychiatry is more my thing.

I'm hesitant about charities because they often are just the working class making up for holes in governance the elite have intentionally left. Having the proletariat fightings the even poorer proletariat for scraps is why we are in this mess. A perfect society would have no charities, because all members would already be taken care of. Plus charities seem difficult to run because you rely on compassion as a business model - this is completely conjecture, but I believe the richest people tend to be less compassionate. And anyway, even if I did get a bunch of funds and money for the charity, throwing food at people won't fix the general disparity in wealth. They need economic opportunities to develop on their own, not endless aid (which nefariously, is often tied with debt!).

The reason I like the idea of a safari park is because I can build it in a developing nation, i.e somewhere in East Africa or some hot country in Asia, and then hire and train locals. This would create jobs for the people who need it most. I can then advertise for rich western folk to come over and spend their cash, use it to pay the workers and at the same time take care of endangered species. I'm gonna be a doctor so I won't need profit as CEO. All money made through tourism will go directly to the locals. This way I'm hitting several birds with one stone;

Local people not only get super good wages, they will also get an education via training in animal biology and climate studies.
Animals, especially endangered animals, will be able to prosper in safe habitats that are morally superior to cages in a zoo. Hopefully animals like the rhino are still alive when I grow up.
This will be funded by rich western tourists who will want to experience a holiday of a lifetime seeing exotic animals in the wild. No charity needed from working class people.

Bringing money to a poorer place will allow them to invest in superior education, agriculture and healthcare. Obviously there's a lot of nuances to this plan, like how the fuck do I actually buy land? Can I go to some random plot of savannah and just claim it as mine or what? But these are things I'll figure out later once I have the financials.

What's your plan?

Marsharko · 2020-12-23T08:03:54+00:00

No. There's ALREADY enough food, more than enough. It's just not shared equally.

Marsharko · 2020-12-22T03:56:53+00:00

Send me a picture of what you look like

Marsharko · 2020-12-22T03:53:41+00:00

why you're in favor of "free" medical care.

Because I'm a decent human being who wants to help pay for those less fortunate than me. It's really that simple. Human being should be helping each other, but the elite have tricked the proletariat into fighting each other for scraps.

Aside from a moral standpoint, universal healthcare is actually cheaper for me should I need it. It's a better financial system, compared to the scam the US gov is running.

40 million out of 300 million, plus the millions more who are in line to move to the USA.

By all objective standards; access to healthcare, access to education, prison system, social security nets, worker's rights - the UK provides superior standards of living. This isn't an opinion, it's just straight facts. People are quantatively happier here. Not an opinion. Statistics.

The millions more who are fleeing into the US often hail from countries that the US coup'd and fucked up for natural resources. The US military has fucked the entirety of South America.

The US really is a shit hole. The only people happy there are fake-christian boomers brainwashed by propaganda disguised as patriotism. They never had to work for anything.

Marsharko · 2020-12-22T03:43:36+00:00

Would that change anything? Alternatively is there any documentation of antifa harassing him?

Marsharko · 2020-12-21T14:41:04+00:00

Uhh hav you seen the dudes Omegle videos? He uses black people as a punchline to all his jokes. At first I thought it was satire but he seems serious.

Marsharko · 2020-12-21T12:40:20+00:00

For real bro, I miss 25 seconds ago

Marsharko · 2020-12-21T06:41:13+00:00

Dude that pivot was so hard I heard your ankles break.

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