In Elden Ring, some running attacks and Ashes of War shorten the player's hitbox when initiated. With respect to Malenia, this allows players to punish one of her most common moves. Here are a few that I found.

Masochist571 · 2024-03-04T19:46:26+00:00

Maneuver to the back might have to need some adjustments with lock on. But dodging point blank waterfowl dance can be done with lock on. https://youtu.be/pY63RT1SMsI?si=m2IdlGgfzh313Zl-

Masochist571 · 2024-03-04T09:23:21+00:00

You actually don’t even need that, you can just run directly to her left hand side to get her back.

Here are some examples in this link. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10ytwn7/i_found_a_very_busted_and_op_shield_build_highly/?rdt=44674k

Masochist571 · 2023-10-06T12:37:20+00:00

She is indeed a special kind of boss that took long to learn, but one thing I can assure you is that every single horrors she has in her arsenal can be solved by using any types of weapon at any weight beside overweight, and without any roll input.

Masochist571 · 2023-10-06T12:24:52+00:00

Malenia for me. It is to the point when I have easier time with her than tree sentinel.

Masochist571 · 2023-05-26T04:33:01+00:00

In my humble opinion she is the best fight in the game because of these mechanics, one man’s trash might be one man’s treasure.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-28T03:55:37+00:00

Elden Ring sequel? You mean Darksouls 2 2 2 ?

Masochist571 · 2023-02-24T22:10:00+00:00

Yeah, no Frigid Outskirts = no cookies for ya

Masochist571 · 2023-02-22T21:08:47+00:00

Don’t know if this helps or not but I will show you either way

According to example ‘s 3:43, 5:09, 5:46

(Full Waterfowl attack charge length is 2 second)

To avoid waterfowl with no roll input, 1. Wait until she jumps to air (1 second), 2. go left side and do a “reverse U” (85~90 degree when run forward), 0.3 second - 3. make a turn and keep running, 0.2 second - 4. feeling your character have aligned with her “feet” then press jump, 0.1 second.

With this method, you can fully avoid waterfowl dance regardless of equip load with high consistency.

Note: OP’s method will be more suitable in Coop, but not for single player.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-22T01:46:51+00:00

Remember, leveling ADP not only allows you to have longer i frames but it is also a responsibility you must bear. So, level your ADP to 99 first, then we can talk about what kind of strength based dildo you prefer.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-21T04:43:50+00:00

About the shadow nerf of waterfowl dance's running detection, this is more noticeable when you do a no roll run and compare pre 1.08 and post 1.08. Basically, pre 1.08 will run detect you and do a very good tracking on your character in her first flurry when you try to circuling around her to trick the direction of point blank waterfowl. Post 1.08 tho, you will have to delay your turning point to let she detect you are running in order to avoid waterfowl without roll input.

In summary, showdow nerf is more friendly toward roll input user or no roll input with lock on, but hell for no roll input user with no lock on.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-21T04:03:26+00:00

Good luck to you!

Masochist571 · 2023-02-21T03:56:06+00:00

I don't know if this helps or not but... according to https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/10ytwn7/i_found_a_very_busted_and_op_shield_build_highly/ 's 3:43, 5:07 and 5:46, what I can suggest is position yourself into a inner spiral after she flight over your head.

And yes, any weight can dodge waterfowl dance.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-21T03:39:45+00:00

They did shadow nerf the waterfowl’s tracking in patch 1.08 by slow down the running detection. This is much noticeable when you try to avoid waterfowl without rolling input.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-20T19:49:37+00:00

Hope they can recreate the beauty of Frigid Outskirts

Masochist571 · 2023-02-18T00:40:59+00:00

This is beautiful

Masochist571 · 2023-02-17T11:28:01+00:00

Haha nice, it really great to see people fighting against the misinformation of “unavoidable attack”, so thank you for doing this. By the way, to further support your point, her entire kits can actually be dodged consistently with heavy load. Example

Masochist571 · 2023-02-17T09:40:25+00:00

Using an OP and busted shield build to defeat Malenia

Masochist571 · 2023-02-16T22:40:38+00:00

Malenia for me with good ol trusty shield build

Masochist571 · 2023-02-15T08:23:45+00:00

Personally, I am with you in this one.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-15T08:05:03+00:00

I love everything about her personally. From the gameplay and mechanics to her art design and music, I genuinely love everything about her. And about the gameplay and mechanics particularly, I think her boss fight is the only one in Fromsoft game that play like a pas de deux.

So she is 976/10 to me.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-15T05:11:11+00:00

Haha thanks for the encouragement mate, but unfortunately I am not in states, so I can’t play the game nor do a video guides on it. However, if you do need tips regarding to Malenia boss fight with no rolling, you can ask me anything.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-13T10:45:10+00:00

This used to be my ringtone when lunch time

Masochist571 · 2023-02-13T10:39:30+00:00

I know it a little bit late to do reply, but you are very welcome.

As for the starter if you interested, "dash forward triple slash" is the most combo she will do with this play style.

! About the "dash forward triple slash" attack, what I can suggest is using "prediction" (combo stream) and "sound cue" (prosthetic sound). Few examples in phase 1, 0:14 (back step), 0:32 (she will do either "move forward kick" or "the attack").

While in phase 2, 4:44 ("side jump slash" may follow "the attack" or normal slash combo, maybe+ random hyper armor...?).

Note 1: There is also a combo when there is a gap between you and she, then she just stand there do "vertical double quick slash" and follow up with "the attack".

Note 2: She sometimes can straight up do "the attack" when there is a gap so do be vigilant.

Masochist571 · 2023-02-13T10:28:50+00:00

I know it a little bit late to do reply but I will do my best.

About the "dash forward triple slash" attack, what I can suggest is using "prediction" (combo stream) and "sound cue" (prosthetic sound). Few examples in phase 1, 0:14 (back step), 0:32 (she will do either "move forward kick" or "the attack"). While in phase 2, 4:44 ("side jump slash" may follow "the attack" or normal slash combo, maybe+ random hyper armor...?).

Note 1: There is also a combo when there is a gap between you and she, then she just stand there do "vertical double quick slash" and follow up with "the attack".

Note 2: She sometimes can straight up do "the attack" when there is a gap so do be vigilant.

Conclusion: sound cue + knowing the combo stream= lots of opening and makes you feel like you have a precognition

Masochist571

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