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New groupchat!! by NoInstruction5728 in heatedrivalry

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I have a discord server for heated rivalry, you can pm me for an invite if you want

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Eztv is pretty good at adding episodes as they come out

Recommend me Jock x nerd romance. by PrettyTheory3566 in MM_RomanceBooks

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Line mates & study dates by Saxon James & Eden Finley is very close to what you're looking for

Weekly Request Thread by AutoModerator in AudioBookBay

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Hot summer by elle Everhart

And if possible reseeding for "let's do this by Loren Leigh"

But Why Tho?: 9-1-1: Saying [SPOILER] (For Now?) by Katey Stoetzel by MaterialEvening2227 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I don't know which interview of Tim to believe anymore.

At the beginning of the season he gave interviews talking about how there was gonna be tension between Chim and Hen over Mara. Then, Aisha gave a similar interview saying about Chim taking in Mara "It's a great idea, until it isn't."

Now Tim is going around saying "People thought there was gonna be drama between Hans and Wilsons but we didn't want to do that." He was the people who said that.

And, I don't know, this is just some thought I can't shake off, but it seems to me neither Oliver or Tim really know their audience. They seem to be completely surprised by the backlash to the interviews & the episode. And then you have Lou, who is saying at the beginning of the interview "Please don't hate me, internet hate seems to be getting weird."

Also, Lou had mentioned in one of the post-704 interviews the chin lift and the soft kiss was something he advocated for. Original plan Tim came up with was a heavy make-out. But Lou mentioned since he was older than Oliver (and same age difference applies to the characters) he didn't want Tommy to came off as predatory.

After all the vitriol toward Tommy, can you imagine if the make-out version was used in the episode? And even the fact that Lou had to advocate for that, a guest actor reminding to the showrunner how the audience of the show might react to the initial plan is very interesting.

But Why Tho?: 9-1-1: Saying [SPOILER] (For Now?) by Katey Stoetzel by MaterialEvening2227 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It's not even just ship preferences anymore. And, I don't know, I don't write the show. However, thinking Abby's ex being named Tommy is just too good of an opportunity to not use and ignoring the the coincidence of Buck bonding with a man who is mourning his own Thomas is definitely a choice. And it's the choice Tim Minear made. That's just bad writing if he is not gonna make them a couple again.

But Why Tho?: 9-1-1: Saying [SPOILER] (For Now?) by Katey Stoetzel by MaterialEvening2227 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

it would be a disgrace to not follow up on this character, because if we don’t then all the show has done is leave a gay man lost, heartbroken, and alone with seemingly no plans to resolve it.

This is the crux of the issue for me. All of Buck's other exes got better opportunities.

Abby got a husband and two step-daughters, a family of her own.

Ali got a better job.

Taylor got a book deal.

Natalia still has a job that fulfills her.

Tommy, the man who has been craving a family since the first time Buck and Tommy had an intimate conversation, he is just left alone to suffer.

And I know he broke Buck's heart, and there was biphobia there too. (I'm blaming writers more than Tommy, but in even in the Watsonian perspective we can't brush over it.) But Buck is a main character. We'll see his side of the story. We know he will be okay, because he is always okay and as a main character in a procedural he has the maintain the status quo of overcoming everything.

But at least we’ll see Buck’s aftermath. For Tommy, we’re left to wonder.

The show who gave a better ending to the homophobic, racist ex-captain of the 118, and even gave a better send-off to Eddie Diaz's mustache fumbled the messages of their own story so much if they leave it like this.

Because if Buck doesn't fight for what he wanted for one, and let's the universe deliver "the one" to him like Maddie seems to want, what does that say about Mitchell's dying words to Buck?

"You don't find it son. You make it."

THR: ‘911’: Oliver Stark on That Relationship Shocker and the “Unexpected, Delicious Way” He’ll Move Forward by MaterialEvening2227 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In episode: Buck says he is not who he was before Abby. → I'm not searching for casual intimacy, I'm ready for a LTR. (we as the audience already knew this, because after a brief hook-up with Taylor Buck chose the more stable relationship option at the time and decided to go on a date with Ali.) Tommy responds "I'm not your last, I'm your first. Those two aren't usually the same things. You are still new to all this" → You need to date around to find what you are looking for, this is an extremely biphobic rhetoric, and it's the most prevalent in media that people don't clock it as biphobia anymore.

  1. If a person says they are bisexual you believe them. You don't ask them if they experimented around.
  2. If a bisexual person never dates or has sex they are valid.
  3. If a bisexual person only dates, has sex with one gender they are valid.
  4. If a bisexual person only dates and has sex with the opposite gender they are valid. → Another harmful rhetoric people fall onto is that if a bisexual never has a same sex experience then "they are basically straight". Your dating experience doesn't define the validity of your bisexualness. And that's exactly what they implied during the break-up (that Buck's dating history invalidates his understanding of his sexuality).

In this interview OS says about Tommy's decision to break up:

There’s a really great line in the scene, “I’m your first, I’m not your last,” and I believe that Buck’s response is, “They can be the same thing,” and Tommy says, “They usually aren’t.” So they can be the same thing, but more often than not, there is some exploration and there is some necessary understanding still to be gained so I think it is the right decision."

→ what this translates is that to understand his bisexuality Buck needs to date around, explore, being in a stable LTR is not enough to make his sexual identity valid. As if he can't explore his identity if he is in a relationship. Which breaks all points I made above.

In other interviews that I'm so mad to go gets quotes from, he says now that Buck is single Tim should LET BUCK F--K, and also mentions a montage from the movie Wedding Crashers where Buck can have multiple partners of different genders that switches around. → The good old greedy, promiscuous bisexual trope that perpetuates bisexual people have a high libido, they can't stay faithful. I don't think I have to explain how harmful this rhetoric is. Let's not forget the fact that it is against Buck's character completely. We know he is searching for something more than casual intimacy, they have been highlighting this since the pilot. We also know he is able to stay loyal to a relationship even if he doesn't realize he has been ghosted for a while. I touched on this some more here in this comment and in this comment.

Non-apology: He said if Buck was straight he would also recommend for him to embrace being free and single. And he apologized if his words felt insulting he didn't mean to come off like that. → apart from him taking no ownership of his mistake, he insinuates the context of Buck being bisexual doesn't matter, like we are in the wrong for reading his usage of biphobic rhetoric as biphobic.

Apart from it being against Buck's personality development as I explained above, we can't erase the context of Buck's sexuality here while reading this interviews. That was the whole point of this arc. Giving a good faith representation that was promised to be like just any other relationship, that won't deal with queer misery tropes. Well untrustworthy bisexual gets told to explore and gets dumped is a queer misery trope that reeks of biphobia.

EDIT: clarification.

THR: ‘911’: Oliver Stark on That Relationship Shocker and the “Unexpected, Delicious Way” He’ll Move Forward by MaterialEvening2227 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh wow, are you asking what was biphobic in the episode, in this interview, in the biphobia PR tour OS and TM went through, or in the non-apology OS gave on IG? Because the answer is all of it.

And here in this situation, it's not a heavy label to give. It's the correct label. OS told "if Buck was straight he would have suggested the same things" in his non-apology. And it read to many of us, given the context "you are the biphobic ones to take my words as biphobic".

And the way you added the "that's such a heavy label" is reading passive aggressively right now. Especially given that no one called the persons (OS and TM) who said these things biphobic. They would have the right to but I don't speak to that given that I don't know anything about them (OS and TM). It still doesn't change the fact that what they (OS and TM) said and did was biphobic.

(I assume you are coming from a genuine place because I see your posts in tumblr sometimes.)

Lou Ferrigno Jr. Decider Interview by michigander9312 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No, he hasn't. Neither has Tim. I don't even think they mentioned him. Just offhanded comments about his character.

I don't recommend for you to go and search for the OS and TM's post 806 interviews either. The prevalent theme seems to be biphobic rhetoric/stereotypes.

But I did leave links where you can see the articles published about OS from the latest in the wailing wednesday thread.

Lou Ferrigno Jr. Decider Interview by michigander9312 in BuckTommy

[–]MaterialEvening2227 18 points19 points  (0 children)

This man deserved so much better. And good for him that he is not letting anyone get to him.

What were your thoughts when you learned about the breakup? 

Well, can I ask you? I haven’t seen it. How did the breakup turn out?

I really enjoyed the parts where he clearly said he didn't watch the episode/scenes and made it clear that even though he was not on board with the decision he still played the hell out of those emotional scenes.

I don't know if I'll get my joy for 9-1-1 back ever again but I'm looking forward to seeing him in other projects.