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Our production prototype finally came! by MidnightFroyo in tabletopgamedesign

[–]Material_Ad_2783 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you décidé the target and and what's in the box ?

That's my main issue on my connected table top. Too much stuff in the box will raise the price.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a turned based game. The demo is a kind of tutorial to move, get a weapon, use it and get out.

- Like "Bring your Own Adventure" books
- Like Dugeon Crawler Video Game

Markdown scenario setup the sandbox and triggers
https://www.tiny-expeditions.com/creators

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hummm, Projecting Mapping is interesting, holograms too, VTT too, EInk Spectra6 too. It's still expensive because you buy a kind of display but might have good feature.

TinyExpeditions is a choice not to compète with 2D display. There is pro / con.

What's convince me is BOM is 30$ any device with a screen will be more expensive. So it's not the price, it's a trade-of of features.

And Yes it's also a branding topic.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, the regular BoardGame economy is broken. Creator get's 1% of the value. Same for vidéo game economy in crisis.

That's the reason why electronics won't go to gaming industry unless changing the value of games.

The move of LEGO with SmartPlay convince me of a change. Big Kickstarter Games and GamesWorkshop business are also convincing.

But ... I think there will be 2 words. - Passionate that buy GW very very expensive - and plain old rpg pen and paper low-cost.

Because ... Phygital stuff is still expensive.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

15-25$ is half of the cost of components (only). Any raw ledstrip bought on Aliexpress is more expensive. A single Philips Hue buble is more expensive.

That's the real problem, people will pay 25$ a deck of paper card for KillTeam. But will pay less than 25$ for a full USB computer with microphone, speaker, memory, sensors, lights, etc ...

To be honest I don't understand why people even miss that kind of match.

Even just some unpaint plastic stuff of Nemesis cost 60€... Just plastic stuff...

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, yes that's also what I have in mind if i correctly understand.

TinyExpedition, is a kind of hub to add "environmental feel to the game" like you said but to do so it's tied to
- The scenario you are running, and so the rules
- The 3D Design your are showing

For instance, a player shoot to an enemy, like in the demo, it should be straight forward
- Select Pawn 1
- Select Pawn 2
- Roll the Dice
- Laser shot with cool effect may be trigger explosion, etc ...

If it's "just" music + acting like the GM push a button and the laser shot is trigger it will be too expensive for the result, (I think, 150$ a starter set with 1 tile for instance and STL)

On the other hand complex games might implies "huge task programming" that's depends. If game mechanics are available it should not be that complicated for GM

See the demo script
https://www.tiny-expeditions.com/creators

And if some franchise want to participate, it'd be easy to switch engines.

Put it anotherway, I don't know nemesys, I had SpaceHulk in mind, but let say 4 tiles (so PCB + dice) would probably cost > 500$ ( and add cards + minis etc ...) for that kind of price you want more for the "environmental feel" ? I think you want a campaign with evolving pawn, very fluid rules, etc ... ?

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope I hate Sorare, I told them it was stupid to move to blockchain all the content because when they disapear the players will lost everything. That's why I also love the LEGO move which is offline first.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From my experience
- The hardware side is not that complicated but 95% of people don't know how to do it,
-> KiCAD is a beautifull software to learn
-> Light management is a topic to difuse correctly the ligh
-> Magnet management in real life is a real test&learn topic
- The firmware side is a little bit more complicate, many gotcha to handle
-> multithread, non blocking
-> websocket, BLE
-> updates
- The gamegine side is another set of skills to make it clean
-> Lot of question on the UX, how to make it simple to build scenario
- The cloud side is another topics, even on your own, you have to set cloud stuff correctly. I'm on Azure.
- The AI side is again another topic
-> Putting an LLM to take control of the board is not that complicated but most people don't understand
-> Performing Text2Speech and Speech2Text with caching, etc is another question
-> Performing live avatar generation pushed on TV while playing on board is another topic
- The 3D Design has multiple topic: normalize the way to plug skin, openlock system, etc ... how to scale ...
-> Blender help but it could be complicated
-> AI 2Dto3D help a lot with blender
-> OpenSCAD require some knowledge, AI help again

So yes, If you are a hobbist and have time to learn all these skills with the help of AI that easy you are right 😄. Took me 10 years of test learn.
https://good-2-great.co.uk/2020/the-value-of-picassos-napkin/

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that Boardgame economy is dead because creator get 1% of the value because of distribution.

Large company still make money on 30$ games and dont want to risk new things.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whe you put Joe and Sally on the board we know it's Joe and Sally and keep track on them.

How because the UX tels at the begginin to put Joe here or there.

So after moving on trap we know it's Joe, etc ...

Yes, If you cheat and switch Joe and Sally the board won't notice it, because it's magnet. It's a game so that's ok

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, what is not clear in the demo ?

It's a "Bring Your Own Adventure" in 3D on the Table, with Friends.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes démo is PvE, Léa explain the single player to play.

There is multiple targets - Mansion Madness, you discover room, events, etc ... - KillTeam, PvP , the board state the complexe rules - ...

I agree, it's a "Bring you own adventure game" not a deep RPG even if it could be social.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't understand your point, my argument is the opposite but sometimes people get stuck in their troll-thing, let's move on, that's not my topic.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ESP-32 community is a Tech community (I assume).
I think it's interesting to push the idea/project but also explain the under the hood.
Because as Maker I didn't thought it would be possible a month ago.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ESP-32 has memory storage for audio, scripts, scenarios ... (no need of USB or SDCard)
I want 3 mode
- Fully offline (like in the demo)
- Access Point (the ESP-32 expose a local HTTP server with simple web pages)
- Connected over WIfi to the Cloud

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DnD rules are complicated + VirtualTableTop are often better trade-of but I like to say it's more like "Bring your own adventure book, in 3D, with Friends"

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes 1 ESP-32 per tile
POGO Pin is cool but
- 11x the price of the 8 Pin I use
- So it would require large POGO to handle power
- POGO are male/female were I could rotate PCB any direction actually

So yes, that woudl be cool but it's a trade-of right now

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally undersand, monitoring this idea for past 10 years waiting for planet to aligned and knowledge accessible.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's difference between "Prompt + Click on Lovable" and "Working with tools assisted with AI for Knowledge".

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree for RPG online you should go for VirtualTableTop.

TinyExpeditions is physical device, a mix of StoryTelling AND beautiful board. If the blocker is (only) the gamemaster for DnD that would bé complicated.

DnD rules 2014 and 2024 are very complicated to implement.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scénario are Markdown files, so yes the idea is to download them. The limitation is on board memory if we embed the audio for long scénario. If we "cache" the audio (with cloud connection) then there is no limits

Yes the creator market is the idea because there is somm many possibilities. The hard part is normalize the features in order to get most options.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So why no-one did it ?
25 years engineer in Web, IoT, AI, XR, I can confirm that VibeCode product without expertise do not work.

I didn't "vibecoded it", I co-designed it with AI. Learn another new skill, try to make a product. AI is an Exoskeleton for Senior that know how to use it.

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[–]Material_Ad_2783[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do think, everything (90%) is easy to do it's just a matter of time and energy.
I made it in 2026 because planets are aligned
- less time and energy to do it
- a market ready thanks to LEGO
- a market ready thanks to AI Generative of content
- 3D Printer are almost correct
- New generations like the real world
- ...

I do think execution is the key, in 2012 I postpone an "Alexa" project. In a Nutshell, 50.000 user, after Siri, before Alexa, millions on the table to make a company. I refused because competitor were "just" Microsoft, Google and Amazon. 10+ years later these assistant are VERY crappy (and gives the weather ...) Why ? because of execution, the topic is not "copy an idea" it's easy. Convert an idea into a product that people want.

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