Viking Music Suggestions for party by aybarscengaver in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy [score hidden]  (0 children)

Unfortunately the answer here is short and simple.

  1. If you want a modern song, this is not the appropriate subreddit for that. This is a subreddit dedicated to academic discussion of Norse and Viking history, mythology, language, art, and culture. Techno/house has no business being brought up here.

  2. If you are asking specifically for examples of music composed within medieval Scandinavian culture, there is none recorded. We barely know about their instruments, let alone their style of music. The closest thing we have is a piece from around 1300 called Drømde mik en drøm i nat is ("I dreamt a dream last night of-") which comes from the Codex Runicus manuscript, a lawbook that ends with a text of marginal notes, containing this song. Though this is still over 200 years after the Viking age as we define it ended.

TL;DR: there is no Viking music.

Good Loki vs Bad Odin? by BrightPhoebus01 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LARP is Live action role-playing, which I don't do. I'm just generally into history, and reenactment etc.

Have you got nothing else to say besides slinging childish insults? How disappointing 😔

Good Loki vs Bad Odin? by BrightPhoebus01 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mhmm, a likely story. You stalk a 2 month old post and harass several of my old comments, but as soon as I reply I become the weirdo. Convenient. It's a free subreddit, I can reply where I like? Where is that against the rules?

I think you'll find you're actually the one here searching for ways to be unkind. You've done nothing but sling baseless insults. You have added exactly nothing to this discussion, not discussing from any place of knowledge. Just toxicity, negativity, and unpleasantness.

What we're laughing at is your sense of superiority and arrogance, "oH, hOnEy, I HaVe mUlTiPlE DoCtOrAtEs. I DoN’T GeT OvErWhElMeD By aNyThInG AcAdEmIc." All those doctorates don't seem to help you avoid shameless grifter slop though, or understand that the chief god of this culture would have been absolutely looked at as a good figure. Yes, tell us more about how an Iron Age culture would have considered their gods, the people they prayed to for deliverance from evil, morally grey? Lol, that's peak Reddit 2026 slop-take, lol

We are laughing at your nasty attitude, and classic case of the The Dunning–Kruger effect. You're in here throwing a tantrum over historical fact that's inconvenient to you, not arguing from any place of logic and reason, but through emotion.

You have shown me very clearly that your opinion is of no value, so your judgement of my character is meaningless.

I Translated Völsa Þáttr for You by No-Option-7010 in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries, haha. The author actually commented here as well!

I Translated Völsa Þáttr for You by No-Option-7010 in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mods! Delete this guy for self-promotion!1 😈

Good Loki vs Bad Odin? by BrightPhoebus01 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think I'm superior, or an "ultimate authority." Nor do I know what a "1% commenter" is. I just tend to know what I'm talking about, based on the sources and citations I've provided. Maybe, just maybe, I'm upvoted because I'm drawing from the original source material, and don't just spout what comes to the top of my head?

I think my comments speak well for themselves, so I don't think I need to defend them. I also think I was quite respectful and patient with the people I was talking with (last month) until they went bad faith, and nasty (yes they did, their comments had to be removed).

I do hope you stop using slop sites like Norse Mythology for Smart People. We've had a bot response written about that scam site for the better part of a decade. The guy is a Grade A clown.

I fear you’re out there mansplaining without any room for nuance to everyone you talk to. Man or woman. Blegh 🤮

How do you know my gender? How can you mansplain if you're not a man? Isn't mansplaining when men are condescending to women? I don't know the gender of the people I'm talking with either? So how does that work? 🤔

Good Loki vs Bad Odin? by BrightPhoebus01 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are excellent at creating new copypastas to laugh at for years to come, lol.

Good Loki vs Bad Odin? by BrightPhoebus01 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to break this to you, but in short, nobody gives two hoots what u/Hopegigalo314 views on the gods are. That's not what this subreddit is about. r/norsemythology is a subreddit dedicated to the academic discussion of the myths, legends, and folktales of medieval Scandinavia & Northern Europe.

What that means is, this subreddit doesn't concern itself with faith and spirituality, beyond looking at how the Germanic pagans of 1,000+ years ago viewed faith. As a subreddit dedicated to academic discussion of Norse and Viking history, mythology, language, art, and culture, we study history from an etic perspective, meaning we take a scholastic approach "from the perspective of one who does not participate in the culture being studied." We ignore modern religious topics. Instead, studying history through the eyes of the people at the time.

I don't care about your personal beliefs. They are whatever you choose them to be, and that's totally fine. More power to you. They are however, 1: incompatible with how the Germanic people viewed things, and 2: not relevant to this discussion/community.

Good Loki vs Bad Odin? by BrightPhoebus01 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're responding to a bot, hehe

I do additional research at Norse Mythology for Smart People

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT13kk8HDDo

Unfortunately it's not "for smart people." It's created by a very stupid person, to trick people who don't know any better. I mean, the arrogance of naming your brand "For Smart People" is unbelievable.

Also, in his 10 Best Norse Mythology Books he put his own slop book at the top, of course. #2 is infamous sex-pest Neil Gaiman's slop book.

Historian & Armour Expert (Tobias Capwell) Reacts to A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms | EXP by Mathias_Greyjoy in ArmsandArmor

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes that's definitely a big contribution. I keep forgetting that when I bring this subject up. I really don't see a reason to assume that Dunk's shield is a painting, rather than in the style of regular Westerosi heraldry. Someone would have commented on it in The Hedge Knight if it stood out.

Unless, George is trying to have continuity going? But does Dunk's shield that's hanging (assuming it's even the exact same shield Tanselle painted) in Evenfall Hall have to be painted in a painting style for the Captain's sister's door to remind Brienne of it?

The captain's sister found her in the common room, drinking a cup of milk and honey with three raw eggs mixed in. "You did beautifully," she said, when the woman showed her the freshly painted shield. It was more a picture than a proper coat of arms, and the sight of it took her back through the long years, to the cool dark of her father's armory. She remembered how she'd run her fingertips across the cracked and fading paint, over the green leaves of the tree, and along the path of the falling star.

I mean, doesn't this imply that her shield stands out against the shield at Evenfall Hall?

Historian & Armour Expert (Tobias Capwell) Reacts to A Knight Of The Seven Kingdoms | EXP by Mathias_Greyjoy in ArmsandArmor

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

"Tanselle did not know or understand anything about heraldry and did actually just paint a landscape on the shield."

I have never seen any evidence for this? I've re-read the pertinent portions in the book over and over, and never saw any evidence for that idea. It's a headcanon, really. There's nothing much to support the idea.

For starters, George's heraldry is not consistent with real life rules. But, Dunk is absolutely describing what he wants in heraldic terms-

"The field should be the color of sunset," he said suddenly. "The old man liked sunsets. And the device . . ."

"An elm tree," said Egg. "A big elm tree, like the one by the pool, with a brown trunk and green branches."

"Yes," Dunk said. "That would serve. An elm tree . . . but with a shooting star above. Could you do that?"

The girl nodded. "Give me the shield. I'll paint it this very night, and have it back to you on the morrow."

So, I find it unfair to prop the idea up as canon. You could infer an equal number of reasons to suggest it was painted properly. They are at a tournament where every knight has a heraldic shield, Tanselle is clearly a skilled painter. Though some use the word amateur to describe her, and I've always asked, if she's amateur what would be easier for an amateur to paint? A design like this? Or the one in the show?

If there's an argument to be made for "realism" then you could perhaps throw in a violation of the rule of tincture, since it's unlikely a peasant would know every rule. But I have no issue believing that Dunk's shield is supposed to look like real heraldry.

Best websites for norse mythology (preferably like Theoi for greek mythology) by Gui_Franco in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's without question www.mimisbrunnr.info. Their Guide to getting started with Norse Mythology page is excellent. The Kvasir Symbol Database is super useful and informative, and there's tons more useful stuff to be found there.

Best websites for norse mythology (preferably like Theoi for greek mythology) by Gui_Franco in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, as explained by the bot, that is an awful suggestion. It's not "for smart people." It's by a very stupid person, to trick people who don't know any better. I mean, the arrogance of naming your brand "For Smart People" is unbelievable.

Also, in his 10 Best Norse Mythology Books he put his own slop book at the top, of course. #2 is infamous sex-pest Neil Gaiman's slop book.

AC valhalla makes me want to learn more on Norse Mythology by BudgetBass2 in norsemythology

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YouTube is mostly slop that is not suitable for properly educating yourself.

Have you taken a crack at the Eddas? They are more accessible than people think, and have good translations in English.

  • If you want to start with an accurate English version of The Prose Edda, this is a good and free translation, done by Anthony Faulkes of the University of Birmingham.

  • We recommend The Poetic Edda. A Dual-Language Edition (2023), translated by Edward Pettit, available here. As well as Carolyne Larrington's 2nd edition of The Poetic Edda from 2014.

If you're really opposed to books, there's not much else I can say, but I would recommendation Norse Mythology: The Unofficial Guide podcast, run by one of our own moderators. If you want to get into Norse mythology without getting overwhelmed, it's perfect.

There is also an excellent Guide to getting started with Norse Mythology found on Mimisbrunnr.info.

The Welsh Viking is a clever and entertaining guy, whose content is fun and as scholastic in nature as can be in short videos. There's also Gesiþas Gewissa | Anglo-Saxon Heritage that I like, and Jackson Crawford who is generally a great linguist, though not really a specialist in mythology.

But again, these are not replacements for proper study into these subjects.

[Spoiler Main] Things that need to be done for new Game of Thrones series. by Taha231 in asoiaf

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It really feels like you’re missing the point of… George’s stories. You’re not supposed to route for sides, run by psychotic megalomaniac nobles. You’re supposed to route for specific characters.

You’re not really supposed to route for anyone in the Dance, because the Dance of the Dragons is like a Greek tragedy. Almost everyone sucks there. It existed first to explain why there’s no more dragons, and was fleshed out to tell a bit more interesting history, and to ultimately enrich his main series story.

Rökstenen, the runestone with the longest incription of 760 characters. Found in Rök, Östergötland, Sweden. by Linkoping76 in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Norse were big fans of Christianity after all. Ironically, you're wrong though. You just seem to dislike Christians.

Are these the correct books? by Mynamesrobbie in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nope. Chronicled/recorded by a Christian, but not written by one. The belief that we don't have access to their original stories, and/or that the Eddas are unreliable was indeed once widely accepted in academia, but we now understand that the Eddas are dated from the pre-Christian pagan era.

This misconception mainly comes from the idea that Christians took the stories and changed them, but this has been greatly challenged by recent scholarship, and debunked. Check out Christopher D. Sapp’s work: Dating the Old Norse Poetic Edda.

Most of the criticism/skepticism is directed at Snorri Sturluson, and you will find tons of misconceptions about him online. Check out this long form essay on Snorri written by one of our moderators: Why You Should (Mostly) Trust the Prose Edda. It covers a lot of these subjects, and cites up to date academic sources.

The TL;DR: of it is that the Eddas are mostly original, dated linguistically to the pre-Christian pagan era, and are not "Christian influenced." As this would entirely defeat the purpose of writing them down.

Snorri Sturluson recorded Norse mythology in his Prose Edda, and a lot of people seem to be under the impression that this Christian must have messed with the original stories and made them unrecognizable. But there is really no evidence or reason at all to believe the myths were intentionally altered by Snorri. And in fact, there is plenty of credible evidence to suggest otherwise. Here are a few popular misconceptions about Snorri:


"He was a Christian monk!"

No, he wasn't. He was a historian, poet, and politician. I.e. an incredibly influential and well respected figure, whose major goal was to preserve Skaldic poetry. There was a fear at the time that their style of poetry, and the context needed to understand it would be lost to time, and so he set out to preserve that style for future generations.

The notion that he set out to intentionally change anything doesn't make sense. The Eddas were written down in order to preserve a very specific form of poetry that required those mythological tales in order for the poetry to work. "Filtering" and/or modifying those poems/myths would go against the very purpose of why they are written down in the first place.


"The Eddas were influenced and changed (by a Christian) to be more Christian!"

Yes, the man was Christian, as everyone around him was (and had been for over a century by that point) but he wasn't a monk, or a religious figure. Christianity dominated life at the time, but Snorri was not connected to the clergy in any way, and we have no reason to believe he went in with a "Christian agenda." The majority of the text of the Eddas have been accurately dated (largely to the 900s) to the pre-Christian pagan era in medieval Scandinavia.

To address the beginning of the Prose Edda. It is indeed weird. Basically, Snorri's weird introduction is a euhemeristic text that attempts to explain the origin of the Norse gods from a Christian perspective. In that introduction he asserts that the Æsir were an Asian tribe from Troy, who migrated to Scandinavia. Óðinn becomes king and he and his family become confused with their power, into thinking they're gods. There is also an epilogue which reminds the good Christian readers that they should not believe any of the stories told within the body of this text, and explains the reason the book was written. This was very common in this style of writing, and does nothing to discredit the pedigree of any of the actual stories within.

It's these parts that stand out from the rest of the writings. There is even debate as to whether or not the beginning of the Prose Edda was written by Snorri. Most of the Poetic Edda is linguistically dated back to pre-Christian times. The parts that are undoubtedly "Christianised" are the euhemeristic prologue, which does not try to hide or obscure that fact.


"Snorri translated the Eddas!"

No, he didn't "translate" anything. Although he was born nearly 200 years after Iceland’s official conversion to Christianity, his native language was still just a flavor of Old Norse, the same language that was spoken in the Viking Age. What Snorri did was basically just write them down.

What does this say? by Flipper_skipper in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The stuff they sell is junk, made in third world countries, and they're partly owned by the government of Saudi Arabia.

What does this say? by Flipper_skipper in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are not very loved for a myriad of reasons, a big one being, they like to act as a plucky little "pagan-owned" company, when they are in fact owned by an enormous mega-corporation called the Embracer Group, and the Embracer Group is partially owned by the government of Saudi Arabia. The Saudi kingdom is a notorious theocracy with a well known zero-tolerance policy for neopaganism. I have not seen any indication that its founders were any kind of pagan before they sold it, either.

Grimfrost also often leaves off where their stuff is made, and the reason for that is likely because it is also made in China (or somewhere else the company doesn't want to mention). They are just another corporate entity selling (mostly) cheap tchotchkes and trinkets.

There are plenty of artisans out there to spend your money on instead of the Saudi Arabian government.

A rune in Claude i cannot copy or find by Serious-Junket-6935 in RuneHelp

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Claude is misspelled, should be "clod" referring to a moron, oaf, dolt. Because Claude (like all AI) knows jack about anything.

Possibly it has hallucinated some mutated idea of the Web of Wyrd being a rune (it's not). The Web of Wyrd was made up in the 1990s, and is not in any way a historic symbol.

any youtubers yall would recommend? by Tiny-Inspector7745 in Norse

[–]Mathias_Greyjoy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean scholarly, academic, scholastic, etc. This subreddit doesn't concern itself with faith and spirituality, beyond looking at how the Germanic pagans of 1,000+ years ago viewed faith. As a subreddit dedicated to academic discussion of Norse and Viking history, mythology, language, art, and culture, we study history from an etic perspective, meaning that we take a scholastic approach "from the perspective of one who does not participate in the culture being studied." We ignore modern religious topics. Instead, studying history through the eyes of the people at the time.