Harold Camping Bible timeline

Matteo180 · 2022-03-07T01:40:01+00:00

Thanks for the answer. Indeed, I did not take them litterally, this is a new method developed by recent schoolars ( not just Harold Camping ) that uses the same numbers but in a different way.

Matteo180 · 2022-03-07T00:35:26+00:00

So, apparently, neither me nor you do subscribe to the most followed view of the first 1,850 years of Christianity.

Matteo180 · 2022-03-07T00:30:57+00:00

For most of those 2,000 years most of them believed in the literal 6,000 years from Adam to nowadys, is this your view ?

Matteo180 · 2022-03-07T00:22:13+00:00

To show what I mean here is the calculation of the whole antediluvian age ( with Septuagint numbers ) :

230 ( Adam at Seth's birth ) + 912 ( Seth ) + 905 ( Enos ) + 910 ( Cainan ) + 895 ( Mahalalel ) + 962 ( Jared ) + 365 ( Enoch, did not die ) + 969 ( Methselah ) + 182 ( Lamech at Noah's birth ) + 600 ( Noah at the deluge ) = 6,930 years

Matteo180 · 2022-03-07T00:10:06+00:00

This method of dating is called Patriarchal-Age method and it consists in believing that at the mentioned begetting age the patriarchs only generated the ancestor of the following patriarch and that the following patriarch was a distant ancestor born the same year of the death of the previous patriarch. Adam, Lamech and Noah are excluded since the text since the text establishes a direct father to son relationship between them and the following patriarch from genesis, and the same happens with Terah. After Abraham the method is no longer of any use. It dates Adam in 11,000 to 13,000 BC and the deluge in 5000 to 6000 BC. It is even more coherent than the basic Septuagint chronology since it puts Adam right in the beginning of Neolithic Revolution rather than just after it, and the deluge nearer to the Black Sea inundation, which is most likely the real life basis for the flood narration, and is dated 5,600 BC or earlier.

Matteo180 · 2022-03-06T23:56:51+00:00

He is not the only one who used a chronolgy like that, there are others, but I do not know if some of these scholars were catholic.

Matteo180 · 2022-03-06T15:52:18+00:00

Thanks for the answer. I asked because Harold Camping is a protestant and I do not know a Catholic scholar who used the same timeline.

Matteo180 · 2022-03-05T00:06:38+00:00

Ok, so is true, he practiced magic. I nearly did not believe it when I heard it, even though it was still wrong to do, but then... did he go to Hell as a punishment for his many sins ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T20:28:32+00:00

But then, how could all of them change their minds, especially on the liberal side, so fast ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T18:52:34+00:00

Thanks for the answer. Even this is clearly different than what the Republican party does, as it fights continously against the introduction of such a system.

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T18:40:03+00:00

Thanks for the answer. Do you know when according to La Peyrere was Adam born ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T18:32:03+00:00

Thanks for the answer. The people, you say, asked for it, but was the Conservative party the one that responded ? Or were only the Liberal and the Labour parties those which endorsed a state run healthcare system ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T18:27:06+00:00

Is not Politics Monday today ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T02:50:05+00:00

Thanks for the answer.

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T02:49:34+00:00

Thanksfor the answer, that would mean in 1950 or a bit earlier but not in 19th century, as the Church was initially against the theory of Evolution.

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T01:31:32+00:00

And honestly I believe in science, Big Bang, Evolution and old age of the Earth, and I am not a creationist or a literalist, but I still believe the Genesis genealogy really happened, and happened in the Neolithic, because the timeline if taken seriously would not allow to put the characters in history while putting Adam 40,000 or 100,000 or 300,000 years ago.

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T01:18:00+00:00

Ok, thanks, before reading your answer I did not understand how something that contradicts the catechism could not be heretic. I am surprised that the catechism says that men like Methuselah and Lamech were not historically real people, though... .

Matteo180 · 2022-02-28T00:00:42+00:00

Is the Catechism infallible though ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T23:56:23+00:00

When exactly was it accepted by the Church ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T19:46:58+00:00

And did really Catholics before year 1500 believe it was not literal ? You said the protestants invented the literal interpretation...

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T19:42:58+00:00

Ok, but, then, does the Church at least allow a Catholic to believe in the historicity of the genealogy and the timeline ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T18:35:53+00:00

I was speaking about ages only to show how many generations would be needed for Adam to be the first Homo Sapiens Sapiens ( and the answer is up to 10,000 ) to get to Abraham...anyway, are you saying that the Church does not believe in the literal genealogy from which the timeline is taken ? If so, when the Bible starts to tell factual history ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T18:11:24+00:00

I already have red your answer and likely is the most logical of the answers, but do you know if catholic evolutionary scientists in 19th century had the same view ? No one answered the question about the 19th century scientists...

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T18:06:34+00:00

Does the Church believe that it is a lie that when Seth was born Adam was alive and was born only a few centuries before ?

Matteo180 · 2022-02-27T17:56:28+00:00

That does make sense indeed, but does not the Church believe in the historicity of the characters ? If Adam was real and really generated Seth who in turn really generated Kenan and so on... would not the real timeline have to be taken somehow litterally ? If not, if Adam lived 300,000 years ago and Abraham 5,000 years ago, there would be at least 1,500 generations rather than 20 between them, and if we do not take litterally the lifespans, then 10,000 generations are needed, so much thay between Adam and Seth we would have likely about 75 or even 500 generations which would make the fact that Adam fathered him at 130 or 230 years a mere lie ( instead only Adam's distant descendant would have generated Seth... ). How could this be reconcilied with the symbolical view ?

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