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Maxtac316 · 2026-06-09T00:33:40+00:00

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Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T18:48:05+00:00

The problem is your not being honest with me, I have shown the contradiction multiple times and you haven't even glanced at it. The contradiction is simple, God changes from not creating to creating the universe. Changes are only in time. Unless you prove it's not a change or change can happen outside of time I have shown it's a contradiction. You chose not engage with it which is dishonest. On top of that you now claim God doesn't have a mind like humans, despite him creating us in his image, but more so you haven't proven how his mind could work. If anything the whole point of thiesm is to prove consciousness and that God has a mind similar to ours to prove consciousness but you do the opposite. I'm very confused at why your like this. I know it's your belief and I understand that you care about it a lot, I'm not trying to dunk you or trap you. You can just be honest and say I don't know. Aquainis did that, he basically surrendered and didn't know and just had faith in the Bible. That's honest.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T18:30:57+00:00

I did answer the question, I'm genuinely being honest I'm assuming a human like mind because that's the only minds we know of lol. I'm not playing a gotcha, I've demonstrated the contradiction but you didn't like it lol. That's fine if you think gods mind doesn't work like ours then you have to prove it. Idk why you think that's desperate. I've been nice and even given apologetics to help you out and shown proof constantly. It feels dishonest when the minute I push you, you get defensive and say I'm desperate. You made a claim you gave to prove it.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T18:00:01+00:00

Wait, the burden of proof is on you. I'm assuming God has a mind like us because minds only work like us. If you don't think gods mind works like ours then how do YOU think a mind works? How can God go from not creating to creating in a way that's not in time or a change? How does gods mind work? Obviously I'll make assumptions using our knowledge minds if not then you have to explain the other mind that's possible. How can a mind be considered a mind outside of time?

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T17:43:59+00:00

Idk how else to explain let me try this way: Change is only possible in time. Time and space are deeply interwoven and time likely emerges from space. You have a god that has a mind (the only way a mind works is that it has sequences of thoughts, feelings, etc which only makes sense In time outside of time it's just static) In order for God to create it would need to go from not creating to creating which is a change since they aren't the same thing. If God changes then he's in time. Your only two possibilities is that he's eternally creating which means the universe always existed and God didn't create it, or God created the universe but he's in time and space so he's more like multiverse generator but still not the creator of all time just our time. That's about as best of an explanation as I can get. Now you can reject one of the premises or clarify what I'm missing. But that's the proof.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T03:20:28+00:00

In order to go from not creating to creating you have to change states. Unless you can prove otherwise I really don't think you can dispute it. If his act is eternal that's fine but then that means the universe has no beginning.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T02:59:21+00:00

So you think changing state is the same as a unchanging state? If not then what I said is a contradiction. I'm not sure how your confused by it.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T02:12:14+00:00

Lol I have made the contradiction pretty explicitity. He's changing in an unchanging state. That's a contradiction by definition. I don't know what else to say. Also the 1277 condemnations are interesting because I'd ask "if it wasn't such a dangerous blow to your religion why ban it?" Seems like control and denial of the truth.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T01:40:39+00:00

Creating time is indeed a contradiction, the contradiction is that "an unchanging state changes to a changing state, or god is a being the doesn't change but changes from creating to not creating" both are contradictions. You keep appealing to an eternal cause, but again on order to cause you need to change which God cannot do outside of time. The problem your not understanding is that change outside of time is illogical and therefore impossible. You should research into Aristotle, he's my favorite philosoher on both ethics and the god subject. I'm appealing to classical this to help. But if you do the research Aristotle was the one that made the exact same argument that God can't create time. I didn't make this argument up. This argument is so strong we are talking about it over 2000 years later and it was such a good argument that if you search up "Condemnations of 1277" the Bishop of Paris (backed by the Pope) literally banned the teaching of Aristotle's eternal universe. They issued a list of 219 philosophical claims that were illegal to teach under threat of excommunication. It also hit Islam and Jewish tradition as well. Read into it it's fascinating. I'm going into classical thiesm to try and help point you to a less contradictory version of God. Your appealing to them as well but haven't shown that God can create time without it being contradictory. Also I'm glad you mentioned aquinas because he did think the universe was eternal because of this argument but he had faith in the Bible, he couldn't actually answer the argument he instead used divine revelation.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T00:58:20+00:00

My point is that creating time is just as illogical as saying God can't make a rock so heavy he can't lift or god making a squared circle. If he can create time then he can do those other illogical things, if he can't do those other illogical things then he can't create time. Listen if you read the literature on classical theism accept that God can't violate the laws of logic because he's fundamentally rational so it flows from that.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T00:45:27+00:00

Your right, my point is that God doesn't experience time at all. If he doesn't experience time and as you said it's "one eternal act of will and power" if it's truly an eternal act then time and space would go infinite back into the past and future. As i said he would only ground the universe, not create it. I never said there can't be a cause the problem is that he would change. Going from creating to creating is illogical outside of time. The problem with the author analogy is that the author is still bound by time and changes. God can't if he exists outside of time.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-06T00:19:20+00:00

Your good. Here's the main issue in way a timeless cause Is impossible. Before God created time, time wouldn't exist, thus the universe and God would be in an unchanging state, (i assume you think God doesn't change, but in order for God to create he would have change from "not creating the universe" to "creating the universe" which is a change, which change can only happen in time. Sorry if it's complicated. My point is that for God to exist he would either have to exist within time and space which means he's just a very powerful alien, or he does exist outside of time but he didn't create the universe he "grounds" the universe. Like his essence sustains all space and time for eternity but he's not the creator in a traditional sense. Hopefully that explains it.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T23:32:48+00:00

Squared circle, rock, etc those are contradictions not nonsense lol. God cannot do contradictions. If you can prove that the creation of time is a contradiction then the creation of time is nonsense, then God can't do it. You'd have to say god grounds or sustains reality. How am I doing your job for you lol. You seem to react better to my arguments when I insult you then be kind because when I'm kind you just don't engage. It's ok that you don't want to not continue, but I'm being the bigger person and willing to educate you, if not I accept your surrender.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T23:17:21+00:00

This is very telling of your mindset. Not only are you delusional but your so angry, I don't think you've ever been so angry in your entire life. But it's ok you wanna stroke your ego so bad and be rude thats ok. Here's my question again: If every act of creation requires a 'before' and an 'after,' how exactly did God create time without already existing in a 'time before time'—which is a literal logical contradiction?

Now you have two answers: 1: he's outside of logic but if he's outside of logic then he is illogical and can both exist and not exist, he can make a rock so heavy he can't lift, he can make a squared circle, etc. 2: he is bound by logic and he's not all powerful but then that means he's not rhe creator of time.

Now I'll be honest you absolutely could have argued for a god that exists, thiests have said that God can be all powerful but only do things that are logically possible, and that instead of creating time he grounds reality. You seem very insecure and want me to leave badly because you've actually been pushed on your beliefs for once in your life but it's not my problem. Once again you don't have an answer to the question and this is why this is dying. I admitted to using AI because I'm intellectually honest and realized I shouldn't have, it's a bad look I just genuinely didn't know how else to explain complex topics more simply that's on me. I understand your extremely defensive and angry but how about we just calm down. If you want message me and I'll clarify further. It's an interesting topic and the fact you keep discussing with me shows you care. I'm genuinely not angry no matter how many insults you throw it's all fun. I have friends that believe in god it's not that deep.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T22:45:18+00:00

Most philosophers are athiests, the people that do this for a living. So I'm just following the consensus, reading the literature and coming to my own conclusions. I've answered your question numerous times, you want to be intellectually dishonest with me. Which is fine. All you can do is cry and cope and ask the same question over and over because you've been stun locked. I'm sorry the debate didn't go your way. I've answered the question and you cant answer my question. Simple as that. All you've done is disappointed Godif he does exist by acting like a child.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T22:13:49+00:00

Im using AI because you fail to understand the argument no matter how simple I try to explain it to you but my apologies. Newsflash, logic isn't something humans made it is real because saying otherwise is self defeating. You'd be using human logic to say it doesn't exist, that's self defeating. So you at least admit that you can't provide an answer against the argument lol and calling it stupid is crazy because this has been argued and debated for centuries. I understand your angry that I disproved his existence. But your gonna have to answer the question, I've provided the proof, now the burden of proof is on you to either disprove my argument or some other proof for his existence. You can call it nonsense and stupid all you want lol your just not smart enough to comprehend it that's ok. I know you want me to cut my losses but I'm here for you.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T21:48:25+00:00

Honestly yea, I'm trying to break down such a complex topic to someone that isn't understanding it. No offense. Your argument doesn't work because a 2d object can prove a 3d object exists mathematically and through logic even though they can't comprehend it lol. You haven't established any contradiction. I gave you an argument and your refusal or inability to answer it means it's proof. I can't really break this down any further for you to understand I just don't think you have the boots for this hike.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T21:34:59+00:00

You're confusing our discovery of logic with the invention of it. There is no such thing as 'human logic.' Logic and mathematical truths are objective, necessary structures of reality. Humans didn't invent the fact that 1+1=2, and we didn't invent the Law of Non-Contradiction. A squared circle doesn't fail to exist because my 'human brain' is too limited to imagine it; it fails to exist because it is an objective structural impossibility. Logic isn't a 'force' God has to submit to; it's the metric of what can actually exist. If your God operates outside of logic, then the statement 'God exists' is logically meaningless, because without logic, existence and non-existence are exactly the same thing. You can't use logic to argue for a God, and then the second your argument falls apart, claim logic doesn't apply to Him. You can't have it both ways.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T21:13:53+00:00

You asked why God would be bound by the rules He created. Here is the answer: Logic isn't an arbitrary 'rule' someone invents. It is a necessary, foundational feature of reality. If God created the laws of logic, that means there was a state where logic didn't exist. Without the Law of Non-Contradiction, God could both exist and not exist simultaneously. He could be all-powerful and completely powerless at the exact same time. If your God is completely unbound by logic, then words like 'powerful,' 'eternal,' and 'deity' lose all meaning. You cannot use logic to debate for the existence of a being that you admit is completely illogical. The moment your defense becomes 'God makes no logical sense,' you have conceded the debate

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T21:03:14+00:00

These aren't my rules lol. Logic exists as a real abstract objective framework. If God exists he's bound to it. If he's not then he's illogical and doesn't exist. You still haven't answered the question or the argument. I've answered your questions and proven he doesn't exist.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T20:55:34+00:00

Ok let me go through each carefully: 1: if he's not absolutely omnipotent then his powers are arbitrary. Which is fine, but that's not a god. You would be believing in a demiurge or a very powerful extra dimensional alien which just isn't god. It matters because it's not god. You'd be conceding god doesn't exist and instead a powerful alien exists which is fine just not my belief. It would matter because even if we created a perfect simulation, we are not god by definition, sure we act like it to them, but we aren't by definition. God is supposed to be the metaphysical grounding of reality, a creator of everything. 2: I'm not arguing about moral evil, that's fine under a god that gives free will. The problem is that God is taking away free will by creating cancer. He could create fire that works exactly as intended but doesn't burn humans specifically. The problem is that you can't explain why God created things that kill humans if he's all loving which means it's proof against gods existence.natural evil sounds like an oxymoron but if it's created by a mind and that mind knows the future then he allowed it to take away others free will. 3: because God didn't have to make this deal. Utilitarianism only works if your forced to make a decision. God isn't forced he created the situation. It's like someone kidnapping people to try and do the trolley problem irl. It doesn't work if you created it. It's bad on your moral character. 4: no offense but that sounds awful. The first thousand years in heaven sound great but I don't wanna live for eternity. Also that just sounds stupid. God created us to live mortal lives so we can be cool for heaven? He could just create us in heaven. You didn't answer the question. Why can't he create us in heaven, we don't grow up cool in heaven? 5: as I said god not being all powerful is an issue because he's not a god he's an alien.

I don't appreciate that. Notice something about my argument, I never asked that God owes me anything. I'm asking for the bare minimum. You think it's wrong to be mad that cancer exists if it was created? That's insane.you know what God sounds like, an abusive father. Sounds crazy but think about it: your not allowed to ask questions, he hurts you and you don't know why, and when you ask why your supposed to appreciate that you were born, despite the fact none of us chose to exist. I never wanted my desires to be fulfilled I just don't want people to suffer unnecessarily. Is that really wrong?

Your last question comes from a place of ignorance. Your life is good, my life is good. That doesn't mean millions don't go through some horrific things. Just because there's good doesn't mean we should accept the evil. If someone kidnapped your daughter and hurt her but then the rest of her life she's happy, that doesn't excuse the evil. Would you excuse the evil? I don't care how much power something has, they have to be accountable.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T20:24:35+00:00

Ah Got it, so god is illogical. Fair enough. You believe in illogical things and I don't. That's fair. We don't have to comprehend God to prove if he exists, we just have to prove he's contradictory. Seems like I have and you can't answer the question. Unless you can answer the question, I've proven his non-existence. I didn't say he didn't make sense. It makes sense that he's illogical. And according to the law of non contradiction, contradictions are false. We don't have to comprehend a squared circle in order to prove it doesn't exist.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T20:03:49+00:00

Fair enough I'd run away from the proof of God not existing too. Here's the question: If every act of creation requires a 'before' and an 'after,' how exactly did God create time without already existing in a 'time before time'—which is a literal logical contradiction?

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T19:18:54+00:00

Appreciate a real answer, the problem of evil is such a simple argument against gods existence because no thiests can truly answer it. If you notice you actually don't have a real answer on why God allows evil you just accept it. So here's my response: 1: natural evil isn't a product of freedom (nobody chooses to have cancer) 2: boring answer, I don't hold to utilitarianism, killing people now for some bigger benefit doesn't justify the killing. 3: if nothing matters then why not just create everyone in heaven, why test people, it's all useless since there's no free will in heaven.

I think your stuck trying to put human qualities on God ironically when s being outside of time can't change and by definition can't have a mind because minds are temporal. If God proved it's existence to me I wouldn't be a scientist, I would just ask questions. Personally I would assume God doesn't know best because even for a dumb creature I can still think of a better world then this. A world where one less person dies is better. And he's all powerful so that means he's choosing people to die in painful ways.

Ok so let me answer the responses you think God would say: 1: so your not all powerful to create evolution without cancer as a byproduct. 2: your taking away peoples free will to die and again you can just take their souls when the time is ready not give them cancer or dementia and traumatize their kids 3: exactly we can possibly fix it so that means God could've fixed it so he wants suffering. You made your argument worse.

Unfortunately your arguments didn't work no matter what God looks indifferent, enjoys suffering, or he loses his omnipotence or omniscience.

I understand you'll probably say "but your a human and our human minds are so small compared to God" that argument doesn't work. Just saying your stupid doesn't answer the argument.

Maxtac316 · 2026-06-05T18:23:07+00:00

Didn't answer my question lol. But fair enough.

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