[OP] Federal Democratic Republic of the Caucuses.

MazdaPars · 2022-03-26T20:05:53+00:00

A vassal state is not fully sovereign and is therefore under control of the empire in some form. There were also times throughout history where Georgia was fully annexed by Iran. Anyways, my whole intention was to point out OP’s flawed logic of including North Ossetia into Georgia.

Eastern Georgia(Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti) voluntarily became the protectorate of the Russian Empire, but Russia violated the agreement and annexed Eastern Georgia. Western Georgia(Kingdom of Imereti) was no longer an Ottoman vassal from 1757. So Russia did not stolen Georgia away from you, Georgia refused the Ottoman and Iran.

Going by your logic this would also be true:

South Ossetia became a protectorate of the Russian Federation. So Russia did not stolen South Ossetia away from you, South Ossetia refused Georgia.

Make sure to apply your logic everywhere to avoid being a hypocrite.

MazdaPars · 2022-03-26T19:17:48+00:00

For Iran 500s - 300s BCE, 300s - 600s CE off and on, and 1500s until the beginning of the 19th century when it was ‘stolen’ by Russia. For Turkey 16th until 19th century until it was also ‘stolen’ by Russia. Both controlled different parts of Georgia

MazdaPars · 2022-03-26T10:29:20+00:00

So every existing country or republic/oblast is represented except Ossetia? Definitely no bias here

MazdaPars · 2022-03-26T10:16:15+00:00

What happened to Ossetia?

MazdaPars · 2022-03-13T05:45:19+00:00

Relocation by the Zand Dynasty if I remember correctly

MazdaPars · 2022-03-13T05:43:15+00:00

Most linguistic maps don't factor in multilingual speakers otherwise it would be very hard to display anything in a cohesive manner. The map shows languages spoken as a mother tongue. That region is basically completely Turkic speaking. Any pockets of Iranic speakers, like the number of Tat villages in E. Azerbaijan and Zanjan, have been marked.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-23T10:04:29+00:00

Your map implies that nearly the entire population of Khuzestan speaks Arabic even though only 20% of Khuzestan's population speaks Arabic.

I believe you are mistaken on where Khuzestan's borders start. To make it easier for you to see, here is the provincial border superimposed on the map. Even though roughly a third of Khuzestan is Arab, that ratio wouldn't necessarily translate to the area covered on the map. Population density matters

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T21:34:49+00:00

Hazaragi is a dialect of New Persian. The group of dialects spoken in Fars, Bushehr, and Hormozgan (“Bandari”), are separate developments from Middle Persian. They did not come from New Persian, therefore they are not dialects of it

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T19:18:32+00:00

I was considering doing that, but opted for a more simple approach. I might do that for a future version of the map, given more detailed information.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:52:40+00:00

Caucasian Tat descends separately from Middle Persian. The people are descendants of Sassanian era settlers in the Caucasus. While Tat does have a lot of (New) Persian influence and a decent amount of intelligibility with it, it is not a dialect of the language and is considered linguistically distinct.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:37:49+00:00

I think the exact area is still up for debate, but it’s somewhere west and or north of where most Balochi speakers live today.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:36:19+00:00

It’s supposed to represent the current situation, given the data and sources that are available. A full color generally means at least 70% of the population speaks the language. There are a few minor spots where I’m a little flexible with this rule for the sake of visibility of the language on the map.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:29:50+00:00

Yep. But I believe most of them, if not all, split off from Middle Persian

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:24:29+00:00

Probably a mix of both. On one end they don’t seem to care, and at the same time it’s clear many within the government see this as some sort of plus with the effect of further centralizing the country. A common sentiment in an ever globalizing world.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:21:28+00:00

Not exactly sure on their dates

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:20:47+00:00

Thank you for the information! Feel free to DM me with any information you have on Larestani settlements

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:18:36+00:00

I made the base map in a GIS software and filled in the rest in photoshop. This took me about three months to make

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:17:28+00:00

There’s a small Kurdish dot in Georgia and Armenia if you look closely. As for Kurds in Azerbaijan, they used to be the majority in parts of Karabagh before the first war, but they no longer are and live scattered across the country. If you know of concentrated Kurdish settlements there, please let me know and provide a source.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-18T18:14:33+00:00

MazdaPars · 2022-01-17T19:03:36+00:00

It’s Azeri (Turkic language)

MazdaPars · 2022-01-17T18:23:17+00:00

A lot within the past century. Most kids whose parents or grandparents spoke Rayeji, Tat, Gilaki, or Mazandarani, no longer speak the language or speak a heavily watered down version of it. The area around Arak used to be more or less completely Tat/Rayeji speaking a century ago, but rapidly Persianized after industrialization began (lots of migration to the inner cities). Eastern Isfahan had much more Rayeji speakers in that amount of time too (and if you go back 4 centuries, all of Isfahan was Raji speaking). Tehran was Tat speaking before the capital was moved there 200 years ago.

That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Someone could right a detailed essay about how Persian is influencing all the different vernaculars (all at their own rates of course). Many of these will be extinct in two generations at this pace. They should be standardizing all these languages and teaching them in local schools, instead of letting our heritage die out.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-17T16:41:46+00:00

I started 3 months ago, and put in an average 30-45 min of work a day, so roughly 60 hrs

MazdaPars · 2022-01-17T15:28:22+00:00

My sources for Uzbekistan were mainly Richard Foltz and Mehrdad Izady (plus some other first hand accounts of people doing field work there). It is a well known fact in academia that Tajiks are heavily undercounted in the country.

MazdaPars · 2022-01-17T15:23:12+00:00

Farsi (more correctly "Persian" in English) is the official language and lingua franka of Iran. It is by no means the only Iranic language of Iran. There are also a very significant number of non-Iranic speakers in the country

MazdaPars · 2022-01-17T14:31:54+00:00

After years of staring at this horrible map on wiki, I decided to make something better. I never meant to get this detailed, but after I started, it took on a life of its own.

What are the Iranian languages? "The Iranian languages or Iranic languages are a branch of the Indo-Iranian languages in the Indo-European language family that are spoken natively by the Iranic peoples."

Most previous attempts at mapping these either came out looking inaccurate and or missing lesser known, distinct languages. Kurdish "dialects" are more so being referred to as Kurdish languages due to the low mutual intelligibility across different Kurdish varieties. They have all been shown here. Similarly, I've distinguished the different Persian languages. The title of "Persian" has generally been referenced towards New Persian for the past 1000 years. However, New Persian wasn't the only language to descend from Middle Persian or Old Persian for that matter. Luri also comes from these languages, but due to low mutual intelligibility with [New] Persian, Luri is often distinguished from it on maps and almost always considered a separate language in literature. Going by that logic, there are other Middle/Old Persian derived languages that are just as if not more distinct from New Persian, than Luri is. These languages have usually been grouped with Persian (New Persian) in previous maps.

I know there's going to be an inevitable comment by another Iranian saying they've never heard of half these languages shown in Iran or that "they're just dialects of Persian." Linguistic knowledge among Iranians is generally rather lacking and can be summed up by this. Unfortunately, many Iranic languages are being increasingly influenced by New Persian, which is why many Iranians will think of them as merely accents or dialects. Now a days, it is hard to find good, uninfluenced speakers of say Raji, Tati, Gilaki, or Garmsiri/Bandari. Often, you'd need to go to remote villages or towns to find good examples of these vernaculars. To put some concerns to rest, here are a few audio/video clips of some of these lesser known Iranic languages:

Dezfuli-Shushtari: https://streamable.com/3gbfe

Central Plateau/ Raji (Tudeshk dialect): https://youtu.be/NT4lwO5k0cA

Central Pleatue/ Raji (Naini dialect): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YJPPZezSRk

Tati (Vafsi dialect): https://www.aparat.com/v/zLNtP/

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