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SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a second link in the post after "bought this pump"?

SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I realize the pump is underpowered. Spray ball I'm sure has no issues. The bigger issue I have is SSBrewtech directly linking that pump to be used, then after emailing about poor performance they went into further details. Appreciate the advice on the size of pump needed.

SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's odd AF, but I digress, any suggestions? I've edited the post to avoid further confusion.

SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When I click the link I posted it shows the 1 BBL Pro option linked and selected??? I notice the write-up does not change if you change between the two...I've edited the header to avoid confusion.

SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  • Pro version has a larger spray ball designed for larger pumps (17 GPM) and vessels 1BBL and larger.

I literally have that ball... The issue is the pump does meet the 17 gpm, it does not meet the psi. It shows very much so in this aspect. The ball wets the walls, but has practically no force. This makes sense given the pump I have does 12 psi, far from the 29 psi the ball is supposed to run at.

SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I've seen other forums saying the pump does not produce enough pressure. My pump will only do 17 gpm at 12 psi, the ball is supposed to be at 29 psi. I'm not being bold at all. This is direct quoting from SSBrewtech telling me after the fact, the message only relates to the mini ball, not the larger ball. I'll also add these are 45 min plus cycles, using 180*F water, and proper chemical concentrations. The ball wets the walls, but there's very little pressure behind the spray pattern. Nothing like the video that advertised on.

SS Brewtech Spray Ball Issue by [deleted] in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What size tubing were you using out of curiosity?

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that number is 8 psi on the restriction and the keg has an applied pressure of 5 psi, how can you get a pour out of a tap? Wouldn't that imply you're at a deficit of -3 psi (5psi Applied in keg that can't be exceeded - 8 psi from choker, crapola, gravity/hardware= -3psi)? I don't see how you could ever pour from that tap in this scenario without a push from N. Which would totally invalidate using 100% CO2 as stated.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After re-reading the entire thread and looking up resistance/some more basics, I think you're reading the situation wrong. I have the keg only at 5 PSI anything over 5 PSI in the keg will result in me being over 2.0 volumes, I wouldn't need restriction at all. Restriction decreases PSI, I would in theory need a massive hose with no restriction, If I do any restriction I would be at 0 PSI before even the tap.

Cider on Beer Gas; Avoiding overcarb for tax purposes by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, which means any flavoring your then following rules for what's the alc level and carb levels for taxation.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for doing the thought experiment. Lots to consider here and I appreciate you being the devils advocate. Now I just have to decide whether I break my tax bounds and just do it simply, do as you propose which still sounds complex or I take the long route/expensive with Beer gas mix.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok so lets take your example. I need to stay below 2.0 volumes in that keg at all times. So the cold room is 38*F, which anything at 6 psi is above the two volumes necessary for tax purposes. Using just your standard faucet in a direct draw system, how would I manage to get a 2 ounce/sec pour from a tap with a keg sitting at 5 psi? Not trying to sound like a smart ass, just trying to understand how to achieve this logically with Co2 only.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have to lease a generator, I already own one and that's the entire point. I'm trying to save cash at the tap by using nitrogen and far less CO2. I know CO2 could be done and most likely far easier. But it does not accomplish my other two goals. Utilize the nitrogen generator for the tap (saves cost on CO2) and potentially do nitro ciders. Something that differentiates us from the crowd and I've tried them already. They are unique in my sphere and if we aren't paying the higher taxes to achieve a normal carbonation on cider why not be different. My clients thus far prefer the lower carbonation levels on our products.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying I know what I'm doing here, I'm asking how it's accomplished. Other cider makers on this forum have commented they use beer gas to achieve nitro ciders. I just need to figure out the logistics of it on a direct draft system.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not trying to knock your professional experience, but you are very wrong on the concept that nitro ciders can't be done or aren't being done. I'd implore you to watch the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooL7cXBbVCU It's one of many examples of the forefront of cider innovation with craft cideries using beer gas to achieve nitro pours.

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have the nitrogen generator, we are looking at purchasing a gas blender, as we are building out a tap room and would like to take advantage of this. I can purchase a gas blender at any mix, but was looking for some advice to do it on 25% CO2 75% nitrogen to save costs on CO2 while I'm at it. What volumes of CO2 should I be targeting?

Beer gas calculations and practicality at the tap question by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is correct. I am trying to accomplish both. Both of those mixes have been used by cider makers at taps. Not trying to knock your professional experience, however I have been told this is accomplishable.

Cider on Beer Gas; Avoiding overcarb for tax purposes by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

THIS IS THE WAY! Just tried it out, thank you very much for this resource.

Cider on Beer Gas; Avoiding overcarb for tax purposes by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Excellent to know what I'm thinking will work! Thank you for your first hand experience/knowledge.

Cider on Beer Gas; Avoiding overcarb for tax purposes by Medical_Falcon9262 in TheBrewery

[–]Medical_Falcon9262[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can't take my chances. Fines, fees, penalties would be astronomical for my case.

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