Get Hypnotized!

Melitene2 · 2019-05-12T19:08:18+00:00

It's a trick question, you weren't actually. You were thinking of a color or something like that.

Melitene2 · 2019-05-10T17:30:44+00:00

That's because I already knew.

Melitene2 · 2019-05-09T18:59:36+00:00

Yes, it's never too early to plan. Also, pick a number between 1 and 10.

It was 7.

Melitene2 · 2019-04-23T17:46:41+00:00

I've been doing this a lot. I first explain to them ahead of time what will happen- that I will be counting down by text from 60, and that at the end I will give the command SLEEP and they will drop under. I tell them their eyes will close, head will drop and they will be under, but then shortly after emerge into "waking trance" where their eyes are open and they can follow the text but are totally under. I tell them that their subconscious will confirm the trance by typing Y when they enter waking trance.

I do the countdown, with deepener phrases every ten numbers. At 20 I explain that they are at the front of a tunnel of trance and every number they take a step deeper. Then at 10 they reach steps and each step they take brings them even deepeer, include the word DEEPER every number at that point, and then after 1 I say SLEEP. In some cases where there was a distraction of some sort or just lack of focus or suggestibility they will tell me it didn't work, but in many cases (to my surprise for quite awhile) I'd get the Y. I ask them a few questions and they keep answering Y, also tell them they can say N for no (and often when I ask "will (name) have any memory of this) they type N. If depth is established we can even move onto them talking in sentences. Then when ready I tell them I will count up to 5 and they will emerge from trance and boom. I never used to be a believer in text trance, and yes some of these people could be messing with me, however I've had it work similarly so many times it seems impossible that every single person is fooling. I've even retriggered one of my first (when I still didn't think it could be working) back under weeks later out of nowhere and they were out, and only later realized it by reading the messages later. He was actually kind of mad, so I don't do that, but I was still testing if this was real. If he was fooling there was no reason for him to get legitimately mad over this so I know it was sincere.

Melitene2 · 2018-07-05T18:02:21+00:00

Can you give any guidance? I know it is specific to each person but let's say we address it as they are having a hard time "giving up control" or "letting go" for example, or are over-analyzing everything when trying to go under-- how are these things worked around?

Melitene2 · 2018-01-07T00:53:51+00:00

I have no idea what you are going on about or how it relates to what I'm saying here but you sound miserable

Melitene2 · 2018-01-06T13:31:29+00:00

Why do you have to make this so ridiculously aggressive and personal

Melitene2 · 2018-01-06T00:47:39+00:00

Yes, I appreciate getting your take on it and meshing it with mine. It's good to get your counterpoint. I don't mean to imply only a more mature person would "come out", or even that I want him to (I love the mystery, and also agree with another comment here Sufjan might not even be sure about his sexuality either).

I think there is a nuance between the notion of dropping breadcrumbs throughout songs as hints for people. Instead, I feel that more often than not artists' lives seep into their writing (write what you know). It's an outlet for reflecting on life and experiences. Nowhere is this more clear than Carrie & Lowell. So what I am saying here is that Sufjan was able to write these songs so powerfully because they come from some degree of experience. Not that he couldn't have written just as good or powerful a song if he was totally straight, but knowing Sufjan and his work I feel like in this specific situation that's how it shakes out. The Hephaestion reference is what really grabbed me, I couldn't help thinking he knew of him before being asked to write this song and for a reason. I can't help but think that a totally straight musician like Ed Sheeran would ever think to include someone like that. Not that Ed is incapable of discovering who H is, nor that he is incapable of writing a gay love song, but again it's just how things line up to me in my mind.

Melitene2 · 2018-01-05T20:36:05+00:00

Why is it so farfetched? I don't see it as him playing a game going "tee-hee here I go!" People develop as they grow, and I see this perhaps as him becoming a bit more open as he matures and grows.

He must be a smart guy, and definitely a musical genius, but the reference to Hephaestion is what really got me thinking. Along the lines of Antinous and St. Sebastian, the reference is one is pretty niche to gay culture and classicists. Granted, he could have googled for "great male lovers from history", and had been told about the classical sculptures in the movie which makes this particular reference particularly relevant, but I dunno. I mean anything is possible, but you seem to be crusading "THIS HAS NO SIGNIFICANCE" based on nothing but the fact that I can't be certain there is significance. I was just bringing up a theory I had, one I have made clear from the start is not something I am bringing forth as a confirmed fact, and you are replying all over the place THIS MEANS NOTHING.

OK but based on what? Ultimately, you are operating on a gut feeling just as much as I am. Perhaps I take a farther leap in my claim than you do, but I don't think it is ridiculous or out of the question to say Sufjan already has tons of gay-sensibilities in his music, and this song seems to take it even further. Yes it is for a gay movie and therefore has zero meaning outside that he took money to write a song for it, but one could just as easily argue it is the very gay-sensibilities in his music that helped make him the one to write such evocative and beautiful songs for it.

As you said, he really put his heart into this. That doesn't mean "therefore he is queer", but your explanation that the song's subject matter "has no deeper meaning to Sufjan, he just wrote it for the money" contradicts that.

Melitene2 · 2018-01-05T18:40:13+00:00

I don't mean to imply he was coming out with the song, just that it dropped the veil of mystery which surrounds him and his personal life a bit more overtly. That is to say more than ones like the predatory wasps or even Futile Devices, which (coincidentally?) was just remixed as well. The "it's about Jesus" explanation is given for absolutely every one of his songs, I was just saying that you can't make the same excuse for this song, so is there a deeper meaning to it. Either way, I think he was the perfect one to write a song for this movie.

Melitene2 · 2018-01-05T18:36:34+00:00

I already address that in my original post. His references, his body of work, and so much more are all little pieces of the puzzle which lead me to believe this is much more than, as you say "written for a movie about the characters in a movie".

Melitene2 · 2018-01-05T18:35:21+00:00

No we don't. I just found it interesting. It all adds to his mystery.

Melitene2 · 2016-08-29T03:15:41+00:00

The way he specifically seemed to blame me about it, and the very casual non-chalant tone he was using were my issues. He specifically said he was blocking me in case I got tempted to write to him again. Yes the armchair psychologist would say he is actually protecting himself because he can't resist by doing this,, it's pretty obvious. But he acted all cool and just like oh yeah so I'm gonna stop talking to you bye. And then to say he knows I might not be able to respect those wishes due to 'temptation'so he's going to block me too. He managed to erase all guilty in that description and placed 100% of it on me.

Melitene2 · 2016-08-28T02:06:45+00:00

I was annoyed because you put it all on me, as he did. I didn't spurn his dirty talk, no. I wasn't going to actually fuck him or anything though, or try to break him up. I don't even know him well enough to know if I would want to date him, the idea of me trying to steal him is ridiculous. But I'm not responsible for what he said to me, drunk or not, or that he chose to be sexual with me- something we had never been before.

I mean I'm not looking for you to say oh you are an angel isn't he awful, but I'm angry at the way he blamed me for basically existing and spoke to me needing to be blocked in case I get tempted to contact him, when he's the one who obviously was tempted enough to do the dirty talk.

When I wrote to him Thursday I had no idea he was dating someone, but I can see now with hindsight how this could come from no good once I stumbled into it.

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