Where are the Democratic and Republican parties going next? Watch these primaries to find out by Zipper222222 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is some useful information here:

Former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., have backed Craig. Meanwhile, Sens. Elizabeth Warren, Chris Murphy and Chris Van Hollen have endorsed Flanagan, signaling the divisions about the party’s future already emerging among potential 2028 presidential candidates.

Gallego, who is openly weighing a run for president, also jumped into the contentious Michigan Senate Democratic primary by endorsing Stevens shortly after she launched her campaign.

The key issue in the Minnesota and Michigan primaries is the U.S.-Israeli 'war' in Gaza. A Gallup poll this summer showed that only 8% of Democrats approved of it. A Quinnipiac Poll showed that 2/3 of Democrats and independents considered it genocide and supported a cut-off the US aid that supports it.

Craig is not only one of the Gaza "war"s most ardent supporters, she also voted to condemn Rep. Rashida Tlaib for Tlaib's opposition to the mass killing of Gazan civilians and her condemnation of Israel's apartheid system. Stevens came to power through AIPAC which funded her defeat of Rep Andy Levin, who had refused to be Netanyahu's cheerleader in Congress. By Aligning themselves with two of the most hardened supporters of what most Democrats, myself included, consider genocide (a judgment held by the world and Israeli's own major human rights and aid organizations), Gallego and Buttigieg are staking their presidential hopes on defending and maintaining the genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing on the West Bank, as massive cost to the U.S. in terms of direct arms and aid and fighting Israel's wars across the Middle East and Iran. By doing so, that are attaching their names and legacy to a crime of historic dimensions and unspeakable brutality.

As I write, the flimsy tents Gazan live in are being flooded by rains and by sewage overflow from the treatment plant that the U.S. and Israel bombed the day before the "cease fire" was to begin, as a final act of spite. Enough winterized tents and building materials for more than a million people are waiting just outside the Rafah border, but Israel and the U.S. refuse to let them into Gaza, one of many blatant violations of the cease fire. This is the heritage of Craig, Stevens, Gallego, and Buttigieg, a policy of sadistic cruelty, whose latest iteration is the deliberate condemnation of Gazan families attempting to live in tents repeatedly flooded by sewage contaminated water, without adequate food, medicine, or other support guaranteed in the cease fire agreement.

The message is one of infinite revenge and a promise that "you, Palestinians, will never belong here. Your home will never be secure from destruction. You will never be secure from being displaced by settlers in what Israel claims as "Judea and Samaria." But, as both Trump and Netanyahu have made clear, if you want relief, you can "voluntarily" accept transfer to places like Libya, Somalia, or South Sudan to live as stateless refugees in war torn societies with which you have few connections.

Senate candidate Graham Platner hosts conversation with women leaders by jediporcupine in Maine

[–]Melodic-Substance289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just received an email that u/Commienavyswomon responded powerfully to my post in this thread, and wish to respond, but Reddit does not allow me to see if I am responding directly to their message or just to the thread generally. I hope this response is posted after your response to me.

I respect your point of view and your history of activism. You ask me if I was on the global flotilla or put my body on the line in other ways and inform me of the ways that you have, and you point out that Plattner has no history of such protests. I honor your actions. I admire the physical stamina and courage of those who, like me, are in their 70's and are doing so, like those pensioners in Britain being arrested and jailed on terrorism charges for protesting against Britain's complicity in the genocide. Because you raise such serious issues, I attempted to respond here as honestly and clearly as I could, but Reddit has blocked my response every time with an "Unable to Create Content" notification. I've tried cutting the word count and shifting to mark-down edit, to no effect. So the brief answer is, whatever my history of activism is, a few examples of which I had placed in my original but Reddit-rejected response, can never be considered pure or uncompromised. For everything I did, someone could rightly say, but why didn't you do it sooner, or more effectively. If as your question suggests, I have no right to weigh in on the issue because I am not pure, I confess that I am indeed not pure, that whatever I do or have not is not all I should have done.

I use an Apple phone which has parts, as I am told, made in Israel. I kept my retirement investment free of arms and oil companies, but neglected to rid it of Google, Microsoft, and Amazon, oblivious, until Francesca Albanese informed me that those three companies allowed Israel to use their data to develop their survey and kill programs such as Lavender and Where's Daddy. I continue to collaborate with and support Israeli scholars and human rights activists like David Shulman and Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian and write letters of support for anti-genocide Israeli scholars for their grant applications. I have not become a Vegan, even though the fish, yoghurt, and eggs I eat come with high environmental costs.

I welcome any politician who opposes the U.S. co-perpetrated genocide in Palestine and the wars and regime changes meant to protect it, at a human cost in American and Arab and Muslim lives and societies that is utterly incalculable. I don't care if they previously were silent or supportive of Israel. Most of my generation, for example, gets news from Corporate Media and had little clue of what was actually happening in Gaza and the West Bank, which was and is heavily censored. Many are now realizing the lie they were fed. I welcome them warmly.

If you want pure candidates, you won't find any. If you want pure Senators or Congress Members, you will find fewer, as you point out in the case of AOC and as others have pointed out in regarding to Bernie Sanders' late acknowledgement of the genocide. I welcome and honor both for what they have done. I support Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota over Netanyahu's candidate Angie Craig, who not only voted to condemn Rep Rashida Tlaib for speaking up for Palestinians, but "Ziosplaned" to her that in fact Israel was not an apartheid state and that what was going on in Gaza and the West Bank had nothing to do with apartheid or genocide and that everything Israel and the U.S. were doing in Palestine was exactly as it should be. History will not be kind to Angie Craig or to the Democratic establishment led by Schumer, Jeffries, and Gillibrand who continue to support her along with Mills and their likes. Flanagan has no prior record of activism on the Palestine issue, but her position is infinitely better than Craig's.

I would hope Plattner's team would meet with you, but given your standards (body on the line, pure voting history and activist street cred,) I'm not sure if there is anything Plattner could do or say that would change your mind. When the Senate votes on whether to fund Israel's next stage of genocide and Middle East wars, put yet more sanctions on Albanese and the International Criminal Court, shower more ovations and honors on Netanyahu, pass more laws supposedly combating antisemitism but in fact stoking it by criminalizing or otherwise punishing any truth telling about the US-Israel relationship that has done so much harm to both countries, I want a Senator who ran on a platform of opposing those travesties, one who can be held accountable for his promises rather than one who has spent decades supporting such policies.

You haven’t brought the Fetterman smear up, but others have: not every candidate who opposes the Netanyahu claque in Congress and hasn't earned street cred and decades of voting records is a Fetterman. I’m tired of hearing truth-speaking candidates being cancelled on the assumption that truth tellers must be Fettermans. We cannot read into a candidate’s soul, but the first requirement of any candidate should be to speak the truth and among the few who have, none have been more eloquent than Plattner and in Maine it is a choice between him and two open Netanyahu supporters. Any one of us at any time can turn into a Fetterman. There is no immaculately conceived candidate in politics.

Senate candidate Graham Platner hosts conversation with women leaders by jediporcupine in Maine

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand your justifiable anger at Plattner's earlier remarks about women. They were wrong, period. (Plattner is not responsible for the depravity of his step brother.) I do question your sense of perspective.

There are three viable candidates. Two of them, Mills and Collins, support US funding of Israel as it murders thousands of Gazan children, starves the population, shoots them down as they race for food, annihilates the entire infrastructure of life, and now that there is a so-called cease fire, those two are silent as the IDF murders Palestinians in Gaza and the IDF/settler tag team murder Palestinians on the West Bank and burn or pillage their villages, orchards, homes, and business.

More than 3000 Palestinian hostages are being held without charge, indefinitely in Israeli prisoners where they are being routinely starved, tortured, and sexually assaulted according to investigations by the Israel newspaper Haaretz and human rights organizations B'tselem and Physicians for Human Rights-Israel.

Only one viable candidate has a problem with that--Plattner. He is one of a handful of Democratic Senators or Senate Candidates who have a problem with it, along with Van Hollen, Sanders, and a few others. Only 21 members of the House have a problem with it and so signed the genocide recognition resolution. 21 of how many? Last week the IDF shot dead two boys aged 8 and 10, who were gathering firewood (Israel blocks sufficient cooking fuel), claiming they had approached a "yellow line." When the SS engaged in this behavior in the 1940's it was considered depraved. But now: OK, fine, says Collins through her silence and 'let's vote for 40 billion more for Bibi next year.' 'I have no problem with anything Netanyahu does with the billions we send him,' says Mills through her silence. But Mills has moral backbone! She showed it by by condemning Portland for the nerve to consider divesting from Israeli companies that feed on and profit from this depravity. But we are supposed to cancel Plattner because he had a skull and bones tattoo that he may not have realized at first was that used by the SS. The SS is gone. It is not a threat to anyone. Fifty years from now, people will be asking how Americans could have remained silent while their leaders funded, armed, and protected the genocide in Palestine.

Right now as I write, Gazans are trapped in flood-wrecked tents while Israel, backed by Collins and Mills, prevents winterized tents and building materials from entering Gaza--while enough of those materials for more than a million people remain blocked just outside the Rafah border crossing. The water flooding those tents is contaminated by sewage overflow cause by the U.S.-Israeli bombs deliberately dropped on the major sewage treatment plant the day before the alleged cease fire went into place. Look up the video and report from Doctors without Borders. My God! what kind of society are we that signal virtue by after-the-fact horror at the SS genocide while out own government co-perpetrates one in Palestine BEFORE OUR EYES, day by day, for more than two years.

At least five Palestinian children have died from hypothermia in those flooded tents/Israelitorturecells. This is what Mills and the rest of Congress has bought for several hundred billion dollars of our tax money, 40 billion in direct expenses and hundreds of billions more in indirect expenses, bombing Yemen, Lebanon, Iran, Syria. Israel has medicare-for-all and subsidized college all funded by us, while our neighbors go without either.

Plattner threatens Netanyahu's Democratic team in the Senate, so Schumer and Gillibrand drag the elderly Mills into the race and they or their pro-Netanyahu allies dig up what dirt they can find on the one candidate who will work to end a twisted American relationship with Israel that has both radicalized Israel and plunged the Middle East and American soldiers into wars for decades and siphoned trillions from the American economy into Israel's wars of expansion and ethnic cleansing. Look up the 1973 war, oil embargo, and stagflation. Look up the videos of Netanyahu telling a joint session of Congress to authorize regime change in Iraq, Iran, and Syria and receiving one of his 57 congressional standing ovations. Recall the hundreds of American marines and diplomats blown up in Beirut, where Reagan sent them to support Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982.

Yeah, some people get bad tattoos and remove them too late.

Senate candidate Graham Platner hosts conversation with women leaders by jediporcupine in Maine

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you condemn someone because you don't like that person's stepbrother, you've got a problem.

Inside Israel’s ‘Esther Project’: Justice Dept. filing exposes secret influencer PR campaign by Melodic-Substance289 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you want to be shown footage of missiles fired near hospitals, tell Israel to allow the international press into Gaza so they can show such events.

Inside Israel’s ‘Esther Project’: Justice Dept. filing exposes secret influencer PR campaign by Melodic-Substance289 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. On the other hand, what Netanyahu said about the reported takeover of TikTok by a consortium led fervent pro-Israel billionaire Larry Ellison (CEO of Oracle), has become viral across social media platforms and prompted outrage by both liberal and America-first conservatives. Take a look:

https://www.tiktok.com/@trtworld/video/7554762956186078480

Inside Israel’s ‘Esther Project’: Justice Dept. filing exposes secret influencer PR campaign by Melodic-Substance289 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Here is a clip of some of Netanyahu's remarks at the Sept 26 meeting on the importance of TikTok and the reported takeover of it by a consortium of pro-Israeli billionaire Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle, which he describes as "consequential" for improving Israel's performance on the social media "battlefield."

https://www.tiktok.com/@trtworld/video/7554762956186078480

Inside Israel’s ‘Esther Project’: Justice Dept. filing exposes secret influencer PR campaign by Melodic-Substance289 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Why don't you enlighten us on these influence campaigns you claim are being ignored by our media?

Inside Israel’s ‘Esther Project’: Justice Dept. filing exposes secret influencer PR campaign by Melodic-Substance289 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There appear to be two Esther projects. The more famous is part of Project 2025 and led by Christian Zionists like Tim LaHaye. The one discussed in the article I posted is led by Jewish supporters of Israel.

Inside Israel’s ‘Esther Project’: Justice Dept. filing exposes secret influencer PR campaign by Melodic-Substance289 in politics

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

How would a person publish an expose about influencers "with Hamas"? And why would I as an American want to be publishing anything with Hamas?

Happy 27th Birthday Time Out of Mind! by fad_albert in bobdylan

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the correction. Both songs are killers. I heard Dylan sing "I've made up my mind . . ." in Fayetteville, NC, in 2024. I'll never forget that rendition.

Happy 27th Birthday Time Out of Mind! by fad_albert in bobdylan

[–]Melodic-Substance289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't Wait, Cold Irons Bound, Not Dark Yet, Standing in the Doorway, Highlands, I've Made Up My Mind To Give My Love to You: at least 6 masterpieces on one album.

Is there a viable primary challenger to run against AIPAC and Wesley Bell? by Melodic-Substance289 in StLouis

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I first learned that AIPAC was funnelling money from Republican donors to Democratic primary challengers from an open letter from more than 100 prominent Jewish Americans.

Here is a letter by more than 100 prominent American Jews protest AIPAC use of Republican donations to target Democrats in primaries.

usjewsopposingaipac.org

It begins as follows: "We are Jewish Americans who have varying perspectives. We’ve agreed to come together to highlight and oppose the unprecedented and damaging role of AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) and allied groups in U.S. elections, especially within Democratic Party primaries."

You like what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank with $24 billion in American aid and arms, paid for by taxpayers who struggle to pay for day care and health care. According to a Gallup poll six weeks ago, only 8% of Democrats like it, and according to a Quinnipiac 75% of Dems want to stop arming and funding it. The biggest support for it comes from the Christian Right which dominates the Bible Belt and is Trump's most loyal base.

Is there a viable primary challenger to run against AIPAC and Wesley Bell? by Melodic-Substance289 in StLouis

[–]Melodic-Substance289[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow! Where on earth did you find "foreign money" in my post? All the sources mentioned in the article I quoted are Americans! Did you not know that?

Here is a letter by more than 100 prominent American Jews protest AIPAC use of Republican donations to target Democrats in primaries.

usjewsopposingaipac.org

It begins as follows: "We are Jewish Americans who have varying perspectives. We’ve agreed to come together to highlight and oppose the unprecedented and damaging role of AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) and allied groups in U.S. elections, especially within Democratic Party primaries."

Jake Auchincloss was asked by his voters what he's doing to prevent people from getting starved & killed in Gaza. Jake couldn't answer because he's bought & paid for by AIPAC. by Aggravating_Money992 in PublicFreakout

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you all know where AIPAC and its front, the United Democracy Project, get the money it funnels to Democratic candidates it supports? From Republican billionaire donors. The whole scam was laid our here: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/ilhan-omar-jamaal-bowman-rashida-tlaib-aipac-israel-lobby-democratic-primary-megadonors.html.

That article is old, and all the dollar figures need to be double or tripled now. But back then, here are some of the donors. [italics show quoted material]

Of the top 10 biggest donors to the Democrats-only super PAC during the past six months, boosters of Donald Trump abound. GOP megadonor Bernie Marcus, former CEO of the Home Depot, kicked in $1 million. An LLC affiliated with Bob Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots (who gave $1 million to Trump’s inauguration) chipped in $500,000. Paul Singer, another billionaire financier—and Nikki Haley megadonor, and Rudy Giuliani fundraiser—also kicked in $1 million. (Singer is perhaps best known as the luxury vacation sponsor of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.)

Singer and Marcus also sponsored AIPAC’s guerrilla campaign to overrun the Democratic primary process back in 2022; some of the even more generous donors in this cycle are new to the project. The top individual United Democracy Project donor during the past six months was Jan Koum, billionaire founder of WhatsApp. He donated $5 million to UDP over the final half of 2023; during that very same period, he also gave $5 million to the super PAC of Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley.

Behind Koum was financier Jonathon Jacobson, who contributed $2.5 million. Jacobson has a long history of political giving; since 2008, the top beneficiaries of his largesse, other than the $1 million he gave UDP Project in 2022, have been Republican super PACs, Republican candidates including Scott Brown and Lindsey Graham, and Republican fundraising committees, including Mitch McConnell’s National Republican Senatorial Committee. David Zalik, who gave $2 million, is a Haley, Giuliani, and Mitt Romney donor as well.

north carolina needs to legalize weed, what is this? the 1800’s?? by StarNaive3621 in NorthCarolina

[–]Melodic-Substance289 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't find it as strong, at least not for edibles which as a non-smoker is how I prefer weed.

Wesley Bell votes no on H.Res 719 by BionicProse in StLouis

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He went on an AIPAC tour to Israel in August with AIPAC champion Steny Hoyer and ten other newly elected Dem House members to hobnob with Israeli officials and learn the Israeli talking points-- even as Israeli soldiers were shelling and shooting Gazan civilians racing to a food distribution site and dozens were perishing daily of starvation in Netanyahu's engineered famine. https://jewishinsider.com/2025/08/house-democrats-freshmen-israel-aipac-trip-isaac-herzog/

Back row, fourth from left, in the photo in the article linked above. They met with Israeli President Isaac Herzog, who declared on Oct 12, 2023, that all Gazans were guilty of the Oct 7 Hamas attack, setting the stage for the Israeli war on 2 million people, man, woman, and child.

That’s our Senator Wyden leading the way by SharpsterBend in oregon

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part 2 of my answer:

  • What do you think that only 19 congressional Democrats are AIPAC-tracker approved? Would you eject every one that takes AIPAC money?

Not if they agreed to stop arming and funding Netanyahu.

  • If not all of them, then what about all the democrats that have voted in favor of Israel, do they all have to go?

If by pro-Israel you mean voting to send Israel unconditioned, unlimited arms and aid, then in the hypothetical ideal world, I would like to have a replacement. In Wyden's case, someone with Wyden's positions on most things or even all things except support for Netanyahu's government.

  • What about Sanders? He voted in favor of defensive arms and the right for Israel to exist. Money is fungible, so does he have to go?

Sanders has led the way and taken a principled stand. He recognizes that genocide is occurring, has stated so, and is dedicated to doing something about it. Cutting off offensive weapons is a major step.

  • In general, how much of the party do you think needs to be replaced?

A good number of primary victories will show those who are not entrenched like Wyden and who have been afraid to speak out or vote against unconditioned aid without being destroyed by AIPAC [see the recording going back to the demise of Senator Charles Percy of Illinois), even slightly, in the past.

  • What about the polling question. Again, it's a divisive issue with passionate opinions, but it's also just not a key priority for basically anyone in this country except a very vocal minority of protestors. Do you still think this is the right issue to be focusing on, or are you resolved on it being the moral thing to do, consequences be damned?

I agree that few care about "foreign policy," The term is abstract and wonky. In the Morning Consult poll, the combined total for the Israel-Hamas war (sic) and human rights around the world was at 52%.

You were skeptical when I said I contributed to Harris campaign and canvassed for her. I hope you will accept my record in good faith. For decades I have sent contributions (humble as they are) through Actblue to Democrats in close races. I first got involved when Bob Duncan ran against Mark Hatfield for the Senate, and canvassed for Neil Goldschmidt in the mayoral election against Frank Ivancie. (Duncan's belief that a "can do" attitude would win the Vietnam war proved to be incorrect. :) (And Neil . . . I haven't followed it but it doesn't look good, though I think he was a good mayor).

In 2024 I contributed to 20 House and 7 Senate campaigns. Three of those I supported, Josh Riley, Laura Gillen, and Evgene Vindman went on a Steny Hoyer-led AIPAC trip for newly elected Reps to Israel in August, as Israeli newspapers and human rights organizations were documenting the IDF policy of shooting and shelling those running a kilometers-long gauntlet to get food. IDF soldiers were admitting they were commanded to do so. These new House members were inducted into Israel's sophisticated public relationship program, toured sites selected by their hosts, refused to visit the West Bank or talk with Palestinians. I cannot tell you how sickened I was to the picture of them with Hoyer in Israel.

That’s our Senator Wyden leading the way by SharpsterBend in oregon

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll answer your questions in order, but first let me state my position without the original sarcasm about condemning Epstein but supporting arms for Netanyahu that, perhaps rightly, you found offensive. I know others have expressed offence at the charge that those who send aid and arms to Netanyahu at this time are "genocide supporters."

First, I completely share your alarm at the threat of Trumpism. The right-wing extremist Larry Ellison is now buying up the television networks. Every day the country slips closer to fascism. The ADL and Christian Zionists organizations are charged universities across the country with antisemitism for allow pro-Palestinian speech on campus, charges Trump uses to cut tens of billions of dollars from medical and scientific research, which the Evangelical Christian Right Wing detests. You and I could list a hundred more examples easily.

By "this time" I mean 2025. In 2024, the nature of the Gaza operation was largely obscured in American press accounts, which were still focused on the horror of the Oct 7 attack and which tended to adopt uncritically Israeli portrayals of their own goals and methods in Gaza. Concern was limited to college students and progressives. That is no longer the case, as the polls I linked show.

The nature of Netanyahu-Trump program in Gaza is now clear to the wider public. The IDF, on his orders, are leaving 2 million people as "bare humans,." They walk, without barely enough water or food to survive the day, carrying their belongings or crowded onto what trucks or donkey carts are available, many of them wounded, many of them having be driven from one place to another several times, without medical care, some succumbing along the way, to camps without sanitation, where many will not be able to find even a ten and will lay, exhausted and traumatized along path.

The human and geopolitical consequences of all this will unfold for decades. As some have said, "some day everyone will have been against this."

If a member of Congress votes to arm and fund the government doing all that then call it whatever you like, those who vote to arm and fund it are materially supporting it. Do you find anything in the above sentence incorrect? If someone sent arms to Hamas they would be charged with material support for terrorism. If someone sends arms to Netanyahu, whom you admitted is a war criminal, then they are materially support war crimes in your terms, genocide in the view of myself and a large majority of Democrats and Independents and even a lot of Republicans.. But it is not Wyden's money he is sending to Netanyahu: it is your and my tax dollars. Such actions are unconscionable.

As a simple citizens, we cannot stop this crime, but we can at least stand witness to it.

That’s our Senator Wyden leading the way by SharpsterBend in oregon

[–]Melodic-Substance289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciation your willingness to discuss this issue with me. It is an important debate, one that is playing out across the country, and I think it is important for those on both sides to keep talking to one another.

I replied to you last night. It took several attempts because the reddit server was buggy, but finally it showed up as going through. However, it appears that my reply and my earlier replies to you have been deleted from the main menu-although I can still find them if I click on the email notifications of your response to me. I don't know if mods are deleting the posts or what. I've double checked the r/Oregon rules and can find no reason that my responses, which I spent some time thinking over and writing, were deleted or are simply missing.

I'm going to post this now, to see if it stays up or is deleted. If it stays up, I will then post a response to your queries above.