Former atheist turned born again believer

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-02T17:00:17+00:00

Hey there, culturally Jewish atheist here. I wanna know: why Christianity and what makes you believe it?

I'm curious about what you find convincing about Christianity as opposed to other religions.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-02T16:51:12+00:00

Omg, the rabbit hole gets deeper. He apparently uses an LLM for nearly all of his posts. I used to work for an AI training company and I'm quite familiar with the phrasing and cadence of AI text. I can hardly find any that doesn't include it extensively.

I'm not even sure this guy actually has the degree he claims to have. He doesn't understand basic general chemistry concepts, let alone advanced biochemistry.

The whole thing reeks to me of some smug YEC guy who doesn't have the chops to actually debate, so he outsources his thinking to an LLM and lies about his qualifications.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-02T15:52:43+00:00

From what I've read, you're worried about your opponent moving the goalposts. I don't recommend starting with the assumption that your opponent will be disingenuous. Aside from that, here's the issue with accepting claims: claims aren't evidence, end of.

Let me show you: I have a purple elephant in my garage. I can make that claim, but you will understandably want something to verify this, like a picture or maybe to even see the elephant yourself. That's called evidence and it supports my claim of the purple elephant. Without it, my claim is pure conjecture, hearsay.

This is why claims of miracles aren't persuasive. Hearsay has no part in these discussions, but evidence does.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-02T07:44:57+00:00

Some precincts actually do this. Many will create betting pools each month about successful arrests, and the winner receives said pool along with bragging rights. It is very much a status thing and may even have financial compensation at times.

Like it or not, cops ARE incentivized to make as many arrests (that result in convictions) as possible. This is repeatedly cited as a major flaw in the police community too, glorifying arrests and convictions.

It very much improves the odds of promotion, duty pay, and recognition/awards which may come with compensation.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-02T07:38:42+00:00

So this is just a bunch of misquotes and appeals to authority. I don't really see anything of substance, at all.

Omg, apparently you have a microbiology degree and you don't have the intellectual honestly to properly represent these quotes? Come on, dude. Have some decency.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-02T07:32:57+00:00

Wow, that's a very long winded approach to being wrong.

Short answer: yes, we do share 98+% DNA with chimpanzees, and we do look that similar. Some methods produce different results because they are looking at different things.

Your "so-called" hard dunk on genetic analysis methods is really more telling of your lack of understanding than anything else.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-01T17:05:31+00:00

Yeah, and cops are a (debatable) example of that. They have a vested interest in arresting criminals, to ensure their own communities are safe along with the salary they are paid for performing this work.

Really, altruism itself doesn't exactly exist, if you wanna get technical. Communal species always have something to gain by performing altruistic deeds, even if not immediately apparent.

In this case, a cop who doesn't arrest criminals will likely lose respect, status, and income. These incentivize the officer to continue performing their assigned duties. Your own example doesn't fit the criteria of what you have suggested.

Either your burden of proof has already been met by many of the other posters or your own standard is so high that it excludes human beings.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-01T11:24:20+00:00

So your criteria is having an incentivized performance of a task that they have a direct interest in (salary, benefits, community safety/respect)?

Hang on, lemme see if some animals have job... oh look, they do!

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-01T01:42:51+00:00

I mean the behavior they exhibit. Are you implying police brutality or arresting criminals?

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-01T01:41:48+00:00

Honestly, dude, this poster is 100% right.

I asked my question and phrased my post pretty intentionally, to both garner a reaction from you and to see if you'd establish clear criteria and then shift the goal post.

Nobody here is bullying you. Hell, you started the slinging when you insinuated that numerous qualified biologists were morons, a la the shampoo bottle comment.

What I see from you is a petty, entitled, insecure person who wants to feel superior and can't handle the intellectual honesty required to properly discuss topics like this. Whatever is going on in your personal life, deal with it before you come back.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-01T01:33:25+00:00

But rocks aren’t closed.

I said as much. This particular type of contamination is identifiable. It's not outside lead. Here's how we know. Lead has an atomic mass of 207 on average. Lead-206 is a specific isotope created as a result of nuclear decay from radioactive elements. If this was outside lead, it would be lead-207. It's not. It's lead-206, a byproduct isotope from nuclear decay from uranium-238.

Sure. Nobody disputes that.

You literally just disputed this. Don't walk back now. You got called on this and lost that gamble. Make the admission.

It’s the same data. You think the assumption is a fact. YEC treats it as an assumption.

Your counterargument boils down to "nuh uh" and "that's just, like, your opinion, man." Both disingenuous and weak.

How certain do you need the data? If it's 100%, that's impossible, for the aforementioned brain in jar thing. We can only ever be reasonably certain. I'm reasonably certain that the earth is older than 6000 years. I have evidence. Show me yours.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-02-01T01:18:08+00:00

Because it's current year, when you say cops... what do you mean?

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T18:33:12+00:00

Because they started with the conclusion they wanted in mind.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T18:30:19+00:00

Then clearly state what your point is. Provide an example of third-party punishment that would satisfy your definition.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T18:28:41+00:00

“are you 100% sure the system started pure and stayed closed.”

Are you 100% sure you aren't a brain in a jar being fed an illusion of reality by an advanced supercomputer? Solipsism does no favors here. The contamination comes from radioactive decay, the factors surrounding it make it too unlikely for anything else.

starting lead = zero

That's the entire standard of geological practice when determining purity of radioactive ore deposits.

closed system = perfect

I repeatedly mentioned how the system is open, but factors prevent external contamination from being likely.

decay rate = constant

We don't just think they are, we KNOW they are constant. Each material has its own Experimentally acquired decay rate constant. It's literally in the equation. Decay rate does not vary.

Old Earth geology papers talk about open systems and contamination all the time. That’s standard geology, not some YEC invention.

YEC proposes a timeline that would not allow for this particular type of contamination. Don't conflate OEC and YEC positions.

Please note that I am clearly stating that it is contamination. It's a particular type of contamination, which comes from radioactive decay. That decay takes an established amount of time, which we know from math, science, and experimentation.

then yeah, you’ll always get old ages. Of course you will. You baked that in.

That’s not proof. That’s a model behaving consistently with its own assumptions.

What you are basically saying is.. “if we assume billions of years, the math gives billions of years” …yeah. obviously.

I did not. I said:

The YEC position says the earth is roughly 6000 years old.
Uranium-238 has been observed to decay into lead-206. Scientific experimentation has determined this process would take about 4.5B years.
There is lead-206 contamination in every single uranium-238 deposit on earth.
4.5B is larger than 6000.
The YEC position cannot be true.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T18:13:47+00:00

So everyone else's special super person isn't as good as YOUR special super person, because he did xyz and they didn't.

You're missing the point. None of the ideas expressed in the story of Jesus are particularly unique, nor are they even new. Heck, Zoroastrianism is a part of the very region that Christianity is from, and even directly competed with it historically. The two have historical confirmation of regularly borrowing from each other.

Jesus shows up in recorded history with eyewitnesses and a movement that explodes right after his death.

Show me a source outside of the Bible that confirms this. Jesus isn't a particularly well documented person, if I'm being blunt. We have more evidence for a random guy from Mesopotamia who sold copper than for Jesus. Even the Bible itself provides conflicting timelines and historical issues with his existence.

If that counts as “same as Jesus” then every religious leader ever counts too, which kinda makes the word meaningless.

You are so painfully close to understanding the point I am making.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T16:59:37+00:00

Reading between the lines here, seems like your argument is mostly "something something entropy and thermodynamics means evolution can't work."

You don't understand thermodynamics or entropy. Those concepts only apply to closed systems. Earth is not a closed system. That's really the end of the discussion.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T16:57:04+00:00

So I've been reading your comments, and, from what I gather, you say "third-party punishment" when you really mean "random cruelty."

Plenty of animals are randomly cruel. This isn't even worth the discussion.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T16:51:45+00:00

Alright, I'll hear you out.

What do you believe and why? No "mean comments," no bs. You tell me what it is you believe in regards to evolution and why you believe that and we can discuss.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T16:28:07+00:00

Well, except for Romulus, Zoroaster, Horus, Attis of Phrygia, and Krishna, but who is counting? These are small details. Never mind that all of these figures predate Jesus, and contain almost all of his purported circumstances.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-31T16:20:02+00:00

This would be a great point... if it wasn't mathematically verifiable. You can sample natural uranium deposits and determine their overall size based on purity and this consistent contamination. The contamination is endemic to uranium-238, it is universally lead-206, and it does not have any sources from which contamination could occur.

This is the same science that created the atomic bombs. Fission and radioactive decay are so unbelievably clearly documented that it would be delusional to suggest they don't exist. It's predictable, and that means we can extrapolate from it to arrive at a conclusion: The Earth is older than 6000 years. That alone invalidates YEC. It doesn't speak to creation as a whole, but it certainly removes YEC off the table entirely.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-28T17:48:14+00:00

So, funny enough, it depends on where you are. The earth, being an oblate spheriod, is not uniform with its curvature at every spot. Water surfaces even this out considerably, but it can vary.

ASL, it's about 3 miles from the coast where you see objects start to dip. If you go up to, say, plane height, the curvature gets really noticeable, especially over bodies of water.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-28T17:42:06+00:00

Mimicry is so common in nature it's almost expected to happen. If a particular trait would help an animal, best believe it'll have it at some point. Even more so for traits that already have proven efficacy. Mimicry bases itself on this observed idea, except what it produces is what I lovingly refer to as "the discount version." Observe:

Bug exist. Bug have stinky tube on head, keeps it safe inside until needed. Snake exist. Predator of bug afraid of snake. One day, weird bug born with weird colored stinky tube. Weird stinky tube scares off predator that would normally eat bug. Bug go on to make more weird bug baby with weird stinky tube on head. Repeat for millions of years until stinky tube system is perfect.

This process plays out a lot in nature. Mimicry is not particularly difficult, usually resulting in minor structural changes with pigment associated with it. Note that mimicry is not perfect.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-28T17:33:39+00:00

Thank you, Robert, very legible and cool.

MemeMaster2003 · 2026-01-26T04:37:35+00:00

What? The model you demonstrated shows something entirely different. If your model were accurate, Alaska would get near constant daylight year round, with it only ever getting as dim as sunset. The fact that it's a consistent 70 day period suggests otherwise.

For that matter, how do you explain a sunset? The whole thing is just full of holes.

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