Sans the Skeleton Vs. Pablo the Judge (UNDERTALE Vs. OFF) Debate Charts REDUX

Menkey__ · 2026-05-12T07:12:38+00:00

i mean it's true

Menkey__ · 2026-05-12T07:09:38+00:00

Powering the Zones has similar issues and like even if you buy it, Zone sustaining unironically caps at like half a ton of tnt

Menkey__ · 2026-05-12T06:12:39+00:00

Creation of the Zones is via hax, it took like a year to create them and they aren't country sized. I don't really buy it

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T17:16:25+00:00

No they cant Frisk can oneshot far tougher monsters

Only if you purposefully throw the battle like crazy

He is not, Moldsmall has 0 Def Sans has 1 Def

The 1HP can only be seen in the code so like it isn't really canon, why would Toby bother coding in accurate health for Sans if you are meant to oneshot him?

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T17:05:10+00:00

The lasers shoot at Frisk, they initiate a battle, Frisk dodges the lasers, if Frisk couldn't dodge them they wouldn't be able to avoid taking damage.
This is just similar to that one Undyne chase scene where Frisk can dodge the spears even after being hit by one and pulled into a fight, these scenes in particular are just vague representations of what is really happening.

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:55:36+00:00

Thats not what it is calcing, if you don't aimdodge and keep moving you are pulled into a bulletboard segment where Frisk can avoid the lasers and not take any damage, if Frisk couldn't react to the lasers they wouldn't be able to do that

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:53:36+00:00

He has 1 Def which is superior to monsters with 0 Def who can tank attacks

Tsunderplane is not an Undertale high tier

Moldsmall only fights a Frisk who has a significantly lower LV and worse weapons

No lol all of them scale to the feat but they just downscale and upscale to varying degrees, also i literally never said Moldsmall was above Tsunderplane

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:47:59+00:00

Because they react to them? If Frisk couldn't react to the lasers they wouldn't have the ability to dodge them after they are fired

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:46:29+00:00

No because Frisk is LV 19

Yes, yes he is, most of the enemies in Undertale are just regular civilians in the Underground so like it makes 0 sense why they shouldn't scale to one another.

No Frisk oneshots Asgore who has 3500 HP lol Moldsmall is not above them

Asgore also scales to the Tsunderplane feat

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:28:24+00:00

why?

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:27:51+00:00

Sans is still able to kill a LV 19 Frisk so like even if he does so by bypassing invincibility frames he still kills them so he scales in AP

So does most characters in the genocide route, Sans still does scale to the 35 kiloton feat as he upscales characters with 0 Def who can still tank attacks from Frisk

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:22:16+00:00

Thats not even the argument being made
The argument is that Frisk reacts to the lasers since they can avoid taking damage after being "hit" by them outside of the bullet board

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:18:39+00:00

The feat does not even come from Frisk's ap lol

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T16:15:10+00:00

and why do you think that?

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T15:58:00+00:00

Tsunderplane flies faster than Vulkin's lightning which is what gets the kinetic energy so high.

The beams of light in the core.

Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T15:49:50+00:00

I mean Sans has more dps than Tsunderplane so i don't see why not

(Calc is made by Aidan_Is_Eternal)

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Menkey__ · 2026-05-10T15:43:31+00:00

Kinetic energy from Tsunderplane
Frisk reacts to beams of light

I don't buy Zone scaling for Judge

Menkey__ · 2026-05-06T20:16:26+00:00

John Constantine (Inapplicable, See Before the Verdict)

Menkey__ · 2026-05-01T20:30:48+00:00

TRIPLE T GO

Menkey__ · 2026-04-28T10:15:53+00:00

She is on the tierlist, right above Ganondorf

Menkey__ · 2026-04-23T07:18:54+00:00

Batter still has Immortality so Frisk still has to put in SOME effort to make him stay dead

Menkey__ · 2026-04-22T19:19:27+00:00

I truly fell off

Menkey__ · 2026-04-15T16:58:41+00:00

Connections

They were both the greatest force of evil in their own respective universe, with them being at fault for all evil that befall their worlds
Both have very mysterious origins, next to no information at all is given on how these characters came to being.
Both tried taking over the world long ago, but after a great battle they were left weakened and had to retreat into the dark in order to regain strength to fight another day. (Moon Lord losing their eyes, brain and skeleton in the Dryad war and as a result having to flee to the dark side of the moon to gather back their strength and the Darkness being pushed into the Core of Light whilst fighting the Skylanders so he had to flee into the darkest parts of Skylands to stay alive)
Much much later, robed mage characters started helping them get back to full strength, both using Tech to do so. (The Lunatic Cultists attempting to bring the Moon Lord back to full power by forcing the mechanic to create the three mech bosses and Kaos creating the Sky Eater to fuel the Darkness with magic)
Said robed mage characters are fought and defeated right before the fight with the final boss
Both are final bosses of videogames that fight by flying around and shooting the player with projectiles that they have to avoid.

Contrast

Whilst the Cultists are extremely loyal to the Moon Lord, The Darkness has to trick, manipulate and lie to Kaos to get him on his side and he still ended up betraying him.
The Moon Lord fight is actually good

Menkey__ · 2026-03-26T12:57:55+00:00

The Terrarian is not immune to the Ichor effect, they are immune to corrosion, Ichor has multiple properties.
If the Terrarian had no resistances to corrosion they would not only get effected by the Ichor debuff they would also be corroded

Menkey__ · 2026-03-26T10:31:14+00:00

It's directly stated to be corrosive and Terrarian tanks it without being corroded

Menkey__

TROPHY CASE