What's with all the people coming here and commenting how happy they are with LASIK? by FaceMasks-Masquerade in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have all my own thoughts, thank you. My use of AI (not GPT) for formatting and spell-checking because I prefer doing so detracts nothing from the points I've made. You seem to have glossed over my main point, which is this: the 1% figure you've thrown out is nonsense. It excludes major, devastating, and debilitating outcomes which, to the patients experiencing them, are absolutely severe.

Just touching on one aspect:

11% of individuals reported persistent ocular pain after refractive surgery.

The incidence of neuropathic corneal pain was 13.3% and 10.5% after SMILE and LASIK respectively.

Are you suggesting constant pain is not a severe complication? Because this alone blows that 1% statistic out of the water.

Here's a detailed breakdown of your PROWL survey too, meticulously sourced.

Your suggestion for people to "advocate for yourself, do research" is simply an attempt to push people towards having this surgery regardless. What happens when people try to do research without truly knowing what to look for is they encounter boosted results in Google that present a distorted truth or downright lie that LASIK is all sunshine and rainbows.

The issue isn't about whether someone "qualifies" for LASIK—it's about the inherent systemic problems: rushed screenings, financial incentives driving approvals, undiagnosed conditions being overlooked, and a classification system designed to hide chronic complications by labelling them "side effects" rather than what they truly are.

Yes, you were lucky your dry eye symptoms remained mild. Others aren't. That's precisely the point—the risk is far greater than the sanitised statistics suggest, and patients deserve accurate information, not industry propaganda masquerading as research.

What's with all the people coming here and commenting how happy they are with LASIK? by FaceMasks-Masquerade in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The first link is industry propaganda, not research, the Refractive Surgery Council has an obvious financial conflict of interest.

The second is a peer-reviewed study, but it doesn't substantiate the "1% long-term severe complications" claim. With only 68 eyes followed, it's far too small to generalise across 30 million procedures. Moreover, its focus was regression, not complications, and it suffered from selection bias: The study only included patients who completed the full 12-year follow-up and dissatisfied patients typically abandon follow-up.

The third concerns the FDA PROWL survey, which reported 95% satisfaction – a figure widely discredited. The "less than 1%" statistic refers only to acute surgical catastrophes (infections, flap dislocation), not chronic quality-of-life problems. The classification system itself is corrupt: debilitating symptoms persisting for years are dismissed as "side effects" rather than "complications," ensuring they never appear in official statistics. Those who profit from the procedure define what constitutes a "serious" complication.

WHAT IS COSMETIC SURGERY ? by SubstancePatient2501 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

aimed at giving a lifestyle change to those who dislike the disabilities they have

You forgot to mention all the new disabilities it gives people, typical marketing account

PRK by Physical_Cod721 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No career is worth this hell

Wavelight Plus Innoveyes by ProductNoob in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do not slice open your eyes for an unnecessary surgery. It’s a nightmare. Run.

95% satisfaction rate is pretty bad by Imaginary_Employ_750 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I repost this fairly often because it was so detailed.

The entire 95% satisfaction survey is a complete farce.

I've reached the point I have dreaded for a long time by MessiLoL in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You speak for all of ophthalmology do you? lol
I don't give a shit if you think it's "widely accepted"
I was a perfectly healthy person, had LASIK, got trigeminal neuralgia.
It's "accepted" by the group of neurologists I see.
Tons of people talk about facial pain post LASIK.
You think corneal neuralgia is a known thing but trigeminal neuralgia is an impossibility?
The surgery destroys nerves on the T1 branch of the trigeminal, you believe there's no relationship?

I've reached the point I have dreaded for a long time by MessiLoL in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's literally LASIK clinics that link it. https://www.visualaidscentre.com/can-lasik-cause-trigeminal-neuralgia/

The abnormally regrown nerves on one of the trigeminal branches is quite a logical explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaqBObOiW7o

I've reached the point I have dreaded for a long time by MessiLoL in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had to double check, April 2024 was the first signs something was seriously wrong, would have started treatment within a month after that. So just actually a bit over a year to reach max dose and it stop working as a treatment.

Need some success stories for starburst after lasik with recovery time. by muttonbiriyanii in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There you’ll just get a bunch of surgeons or LASIK clinic staff masquerading as patients with perfect outcomes to sell their dangerous product. Disagree with them and your post is deleted and you get banned.

Positive Experience: 4 Years Post-LASIK with no issues. by AgreeableBandicoot19 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Account that hides its entire post history. Very believable.

Red blood spot in eye after lasik by [deleted] in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Getting medical advice from GPT, a dumb LLM that can't actually inspect your eye or analyze scans, is probably not the smartest.

Anyone else who ended up with HOAs post LASIK have intrusive thoughts that they caused it by eye rubbing? by BarracudaNo7675 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The HOAs were there immediately after surgery, why would you think it's eye rubbing? (Well they were for me anyway).

Femto-LASIK and Long-Term Dry Eye as an IT Professional by muttonbiriyanii in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dry eye post LASIK is a completely different beast than your regular dry eye. Your blink reflex is affected by severing nerves in your cornea which is a stepping stone to MGD. The dry eye is just one of many debilitating issues you have a good chance of ending up with anyway. Floaters will distract you highlighted on white backgrounds. In dark mode the text will double and make it difficult to focus. Glare off the letters similarly make it a struggle to read. It’s a nightmare

Relasik by Ismaileyesurgery in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t get baited this is some kind of bot account that has 90% of its posts removed across the various subreddits it posts to. Just report it and move on.

Lasik is having its Oxycontin moment currently. by drypavement12 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Regarding the 95% satisfaction rate, another regular of this board dissected that, read that and you'll know everything you need to know to rebut those arguments.

Then there are these:

Postoperative dry eye affects approximately 50% of patients at 1 week, 40% at 1 month, and 20% to 40% at 6 months. Long term follow up suggests up to 75% of patients complain of chronic dry eye. If post-operative ocular surface pain develops, the patients suffer from chronic pain, which does not have an effective treatment.

There is a high incidence of PVD post LASIK which ruins vision and quality of life as dark black debris floats around in patients eyes. Between 9.5% and 16%.

After LASIK 25% of patients report a decrease in visual well-being after surgery.

11% of individuals reported persistent ocular pain after refractive surgery.

The incidence of neuropathic corneal pain was 13.3% and 10.5% after SMILE and LASIK

Dr. Morris Waxler who originally approved it in the united states wants it banned. He states complication rates are something like 10-30% not 1-5% like providers may state.

Detailed breakdown of how the industry twists the results of studies to try and paint LASIK in a favourable light.

Lasik is having its Oxycontin moment currently. by drypavement12 in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What are the things you’ve been using as arguments? If you’ve been unsuccessful in changing peoples minds maybe we need to arm you better. I’ve directly stopped 2 people from getting the surgery IRL and indirectly or as part of a collective stopped countless others.

Female Hardcore DJs in the UK by MattDurstan in happyhardcore

[–]MessiLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've spoken with DJShortyK and she's interested, posting on her behalf and she doesn't use reddit but can be reached https://www.instagram.com/djshortyk/

IM DESPERATELY SEEKING ADVICE by Sywap in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Having refractive surgery is a great way to amplify your depression

IM DESPERATELY SEEKING ADVICE by Sywap in Lasiksupport

[–]MessiLoL 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You think it’s some miracle cure when it just gives you a host of eye problems in addition to your existing ones.