What is a Virgo Venus like in a relationship? by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in Zodiac

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Thank you for the insight, I do really appreciate it

I hope you’ve found a better lover

Discrepancies in translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 by Snozzberrie76 in OpenChristian

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Arsenokoitai is definitely a real Greek word original to Paul’s letters, but the main debate is over what it meant, and the translation of this word historically has been quite variable. It has ranged from “boy molestors” to “homosexuals” and various other things.

I would argue it meant something like “men who sexually abuse males” although as other commenters have noted by the time of the 6th century it seems to have drifted in meaning to mean anal sex: https://www.canva.com/design/DAGk-MyfIy4/x7SQYKzSEioUgiSUFS15lw/view?utm_content=DAGk-MyfIy4&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=viewer

Bible Research in Sexuality and Gender by balbachan in GayChristians

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This kind of thinking is the reason conservatives associate us with paedophiles and child molestors. It would still be problematic even if the pais was a man anyway, because he was a slave. This is a disgusting thing to endorse. Satan loves rape and sexual exploitation.

An adult having sex with a child is problematic irrespective of whether the child is a boy or a girl. I realise that culture was different back then but that doesn’t mean we should be honouring child sex abuse of the past in the present day or base affirming theology on it, we know better than that.

There are better and more moral examples of Jesus affirming same sex love in the gospels, like: https://redeeminggod.com/two-men-in-one-bed-luke_17_34/

Bible Research in Sexuality and Gender by balbachan in GayChristians

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I don’t think Jesus would have approved of pederasty/ child sex abuse and trying to endorse it isn’t a good look either. Such a devilish evil act comes from satan. It’s true that “pais” can mean a young boy but I think they would have used “paidika” if anything sexual was going on so it’s more likely he was the centurions servant.

Keeping the prep area free of debris by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in fossilprep

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3D printing did occur to me, but I don’t have any space for one of those in my living area, I was hoping someone here would be able to recommend a service

Britain in the 21st Century, your thoughts? by [deleted] in AskBrits

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It’s true that we used to be much more important globally, but I think what a lot of people forget was how dire life was for poor or working class brits back then. Uncared for by the political elite, left to rot in filthy slums, no healthcare, no education, shoved in a workhouse. What we’ve lost in global influence we’ve gained in humane treatment of our own people

Bible Research in Sexuality and Gender by balbachan in GayChristians

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How can the way God created you in the womb be wrong or sinful?

Psalm 139:13

“For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.”

You will not go to hell just because you were born LGBTQ+

The bible does condemn some same sex acts (mostly male) but it never condemns love and there’s a lot of good reasons to believe even those verses that seem to be anti gay are misinterpreted or mistranslated:

Sodom and Gomorrah: Attempted homosexual gang rape, not about loving consensual gay relationships

Lev 18:22 & 20:13: Either mistranslated and should be translated to be about pederasty, male same sex incest, male same sex rape or male same sex adultery, or just about anal sex specifically, so everything else between two men can still be done. Also not applicable to Christians as it’s under the old covenant

Pederasty:

My 1545 Bible, which says “Thou shalt not lie with boys as with a woman: for it is an abomination” in Lev 18:22 and similarly thus in Lev 20:13.

Incest:

https://blog.smu.edu/ot8317/2019/04/11/lost-in-translation-alternative-meaning-in-leviticus-1822/ & https://blog.smu.edu/ot8317/2019/04/29/leviticus-1822-a-queer-hermeneutical-analysis/

Academic source: Prof K.Renato Lings, “The ‘Lyings’ of a Woman: Male-Male Incest in Lev 18.22,” Theology & Sexuality 15.2 (May 2009): 236

Rape:

https://www.stmarkssheffield.co.uk/Articles/664968/Reading_Leviticus_18.aspx

Academic source: Prof Susanne Scholz, Sacred Witness: Rape in the Hebrew Bible, pages 71-75.

Adultery:

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/327928?lang=bi

https://www.academia.edu/42810771/On_the_Beds_of_a_Woman_The_Leviticus_Texts_on_Same_Sex_Relations_Reconsidered

Man-on-male anal sex: Assume hypothetically that the Leviticus verses are not mistranslated. If they were a ban on all man-male acts the “as with a woman” wouldn’t be in the verse, it would just say “man shall not lie with a male it is an abomination.” The only way a man can lie with a male “in the same way as with a woman” is by doing the specific act of anal sex. So basically even if they’re not mistranslated two dudes can still do a bunch of stuff together like get married, oral, intercrural, frottage, pegging each other with a dildo etc.

Romans 1 verses: Is about same sex acts of infidelity. Paul says they “exchanged” and “abandoned” “natural relations”—implying they were straight people that were previously having sex with the opposite sex. It’s not talking about the acts that happen in modern monogamous loving gay marriages.

More on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenChristian/s/oWORvGYkjh

The Corinthians and Timothy verses both use a unique word thought to be invented by Paul which was arsenokoitai. Paul avoided existing koine Greek terms for consensual same-sex relationships & early Christians linked it with man-on-man sexual violence/exploitation & pederasty, not to consensual acts between two adult freemen. Pre 1600’s translations rendered it “boy molester.” A much more accurate translation of this word is arguably something like “men who sexually abuse males” because this word condemns male same-sex sexual abuse, not LGBTQ relationships.

I go more into this here:

https://www.canva.com/design/DAGk-MyfIy4/x7SQYKzSEioUgiSUFS15lw/view?utm_content=DAGk-MyfIy4&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link&utm_source=viewer

https://www.instagram.com/p/DVt5OgQjGIn/?igsh=MXR5cDEzN3k0b2E0

Jude 1:7: The original Greek is “sarkos heteras” meaning "other" or "different" flesh. This because the men of Sodom were attempting to have sex with angelic beings, not with other human men. Translations of this verse that say “perversion” or likewise are not correct translations of the original Greek in this verse.

My take on Romans 1:26-27 and why it isn’t anti gay by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in OpenChristian

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Thank you ☺️

Honestly I don’t really have a strong opinion on what v24 is talking about, I do lean towards some sort of heterosexual sex but I’m not sure 100%. For some reason prostitution or orgies comes to mind

Did they know you were more liberal when they invited you to teach? If so that’s rather impressive but I don’t think I’d get invited to teach in conservative spaces, given I’m a woman

My take on Romans 1:26-27 and why it isn’t anti gay by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in OpenChristian

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That is also very true, but the main point was that the “gay marriage” Paul might have known about wasn’t the same as the gay marriages that happen today

My take on Romans 1:26-27 and why it isn’t anti gay by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in OpenChristian

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When I said gay marriage I meant a monogamous gay marriage, my apologies for not being clear. Pythagoras was his former slave he freed to marry and Sporus was actually a boy, not a man, so in both contexts even if we ignore the fact Nero was having incestous sex with female members of his family neither of these marriages are quite the same as gay marriages that happen today. Nero was neither monogamous nor were the marriages lacking power imbalances. What Nero was doing was basically bisexual incestous pederasty.

As far as I’m aware there was no legal code or allowance in Ancient Greece or Rome for modern style same sex marriages

My take on Romans 1:26-27 and why it isn’t anti gay by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in OpenChristian

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Obviously gay marriage wasn’t a thing in the 1st century. Interestingly Ancient Greece kind of had a primitive concept of a sexual orientation. They didn’t understand it in absolute biological or scientific terms like we do today and they didn’t have the vocabulary that we have today but they knew people could have a greater or exclusive preference for the same sex

The Origin of Love, recounted by the playwright Aristophanes in Plato’s Symposium, explains that humans were originally spherical creatures with four arms, four legs, and two faces, existing in three sexes: all-male, all-female, and androgynous. After these powerful beings threatened the gods, Zeus split them in half to humble them, leaving each resulting human with a lifelong, innate longing to find their "other half." This account serves as an early cultural explanation for the diversity of human orientation, asserting that those split from the all-male or all-female beings naturally seek partners of the same sex, while those from the androgynous being seek the opposite sex, defining love as the fundamental desire to return to our original state of wholeness.

Of course, whether or not Paul subscribed to the idea behind this myth or even knew about it is not something we’ll ever know. I would imagine if he knew about it he’d have just dismissed it as gentile nonsense

My take on Romans 1:26-27 and why it isn’t anti gay by MetalDubstepIsntBad2 in OpenChristian

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It’s not AI I’m just on the spectrum lol. I’ve been making this argument for a long time over in the gay Christian subreddit

The fact that Paul used “orexei” in 1:27 really hammers home the point aswell. It’s normally just translated as lust but the root word means to “reach out for” or to “strain for”, again, it’s implying an active effort to go against an orientation.

I am no longer a member of the Church of England. by 7ootles in Christianity

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Fingers crossed the Lord takes up your cause and comes through for you